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From: Ron Hawks

"God has made everything beautiful, and He has set eternity in our hearts…Ecclesiastes 3:11.”

This can be a good time of year to consider the vastness of God's creation - and life itself. You may get a chance to stare out at the ocean horizon, or gaze into the blue sky - decorated with feathery white clouds; on a clear night you might look deeper and deeper into the myriad of stars that pepper the darkness. When you consider the huge environs in which we live, it's hard not to call out to the psalmist, "What is mankind that You are mindful of us, or human beings that you care for us?" (Psalm 8:4) More personally, you may question who you are - and how you relate to this vast universe.

"God has made everything beautiful, and He has set eternity in our hearts." (Ecclesiastes 3:11) We can't help but consider our Creator and how we fit into this massive scheme of life. We are left in awe - clearly, there is more to life that we can understand or comprehend apart from God's revelation. In Psalm 145, David worships God from this posture of awe. He declares God's greatness, and meditates upon His works and attributes - He is "gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love - that He is good to all and loving toward all He has made." He fulfills the desires of those who reverently look to Him; He opens His hand and provides; He hears their cry and saves.

This is a great time to realign yourself under the benevolent sovereignty of God - through personal, deep, and declarative worship. If God has created all things, and if He has placed you purposefully in the mix, there is no need to worry, doubt, or fear. Your anxieties profit you nothing - though they deceivingly tell you they are the flavor of responsibility. When all is stripped away - when all that is left is the very core of life - we come to a place of worship and awe. What do we have that we were not given? What can we accomplish that was not resourced and ultimately designed by God? Where can we turn for meaning, purpose, or a sense of eternity?

"Jesus is the image of the invisible God ... in Him, all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him." (Colossians 1:15-16) "In Him we live and move and have our being." (Acts 17:28) Take some time away from all the self-reliance and self-referencing that mark our striving lives, and consider God's goodness to you. He has and will love you with everlasting love - all He requires is your gaze, worship, and life lived in light of His truth. Relax and realign through honest and declarative worship - speak and/or sing your faith in Christ. Your soul will lighten; your faith will deepen; your life will be meaningfully renewed. Standing in Awe with you, Pastor Tom



A bird's-eye view of Hell!

(James Smith, "A Voice from Hell!" 1856)

"I beg you, father Abraham — send Lazarus to my father's house! For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don't end up in this place of torment!" Luke 16:27-28

Jesus takes off the covering from the bottomless pit — and gives us a bird's-eye view of Hell!

There is a young man there. He was rich. He was surrounded by a multitude of earthly goods. He has forfeited them all — and now he is in Hell. His doom is fixed — and fixed forever. He cannot obtain one single drop of water to cool his parched tongue!

He finds that it is now no use asking favors for himself. But he has brothers — five brothers. Can he prevent their coming to Hell? He will try. He therefore prays that Lazarus may become a missionary — and be sent on a mission of mercy to his father's house. Hear him: "I beg you, father Abraham — send Lazarus to my father's house!" Who would expect to find mercy in Hell — or pity in Hell — or prayer in Hell! But here it is!

Can earth be worse than Hell? Can professed Christians be worse than this lost soul? Shall lost souls in Hell wish to send someone to their ungodly relatives — if possible to prevent their damnation — and will you neglect your relatives? Has pity for the souls of your lost relatives no influence on you?

Is Hell only a fable?

Is eternal torment only a trifle?


How then, can you let them go to Hell without pity or concern?

Souls are perishing!

Hell is filling!

Time is flying!

Are you, can you be careless about the eternal happiness or eternal misery of the souls around you?

Where, O where is your pity for poor perishing sinners?


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More Glory Than Moses

Pastor Jeff Pollard
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Mount Zion Bible Church

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Light Unconquered

Dr. J. Drew Conley
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Our Sovereign Creator

Dr. Greg Mazak
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Trinity Bible Church


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Mercy in the Midst of Wrath (Revelation 6:12-17)

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Grace to You

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Your New Life

Before Jesus left this earth to go back to heaven to be with the Father, he left a command for his disciples to follow (see Matthew 28:18-20). We, his body, are to go! We are to make disciples (followers of Christ) of all nations. We are to baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. And, we are to teach them to obey all things Jesus Christ has commanded us in his word. And, he is with us always.

He also told them that when the Holy Spirit came upon them that they would be his witnesses throughout the world (See Acts 1:8). When we receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives, we receive his Holy Spirit within us, and we are to be Christ’s witnesses everywhere he sends us.

Not unlike with Paul, Jesus is sending us to open the eyes of the blind, “so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.” (Acts 26:16-18). We are to proclaim freedom for those captive to sin, and the light of the gospel to all who are spiritually blind. For, we are ministers of our God.

Your New Life

An Original Work / May 15, 2014
Based off the Gospels


Go and make disciples of peoples,
Teaching them to obey their Savior.
Do not fear, but go where He sends you.
Tell them all of what you have heard.

The kingdom of God now is upon you.
Come, and follow Jesus, your Lord.
He will make you fishers of man.

If the people Jesus desire,
They must die to sin and to self-life.
If they want to hold on to their lives
They will lose them forevermore.

Surely you heard that coming to Christ
Means a new life in Jesus, your Lord.
Follow Christ wherever He leads.

Love the Lord with all of your heart, and
Love your neighbors as you would yourself.
Preach the gospel to all the nations.
Do not worry what you will say.

Proclaim the freedom for all the captives.
Share the light with all who are blind.
You are ministers of our God.

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Is It Ever Appropriate to Say “God Did It” in Response to a Scientific Challenge?

If saying that God did something involves a "God of the gaps" argument, then some "God of the gaps" arguments have true conclusions.* Secular orthodoxy imposes upon us the dogma that "God of the gaps" is always a bad argument, or in other words: that "God did it" is never an acceptable response. This secular dogma needs to simply be rejected, for it is based on the premise that God either does not exist or does not do anything. More precisely, it is based on the naturalistic premise that miracles never occur (and therefore God does not or cannot perform miracles).

Your apologetics source basically says, "God did some things, but only those things that Scripture attests to." This is also unacceptable, for it results in the conclusion that God does not do anything miraculous after the final page of Scripture was written. On this view God has not done anything miraculous for at least the past 1800 years.

The answer is that God does miraculous things, and most of these things are not attested to by Scripture. When is it appropriate to conclude that God did something miraculous? Roughly speaking, when 1) there is no plausible natural explanation, and 2) there is a positive reason to believe that God would be acting.

* Note that the primary sense of a "God of the gaps" argument is an argument from ignorance for God's existence, not a mere attribution of a mysterious event to God's causality.

It's not just secular morality.... "God of the Gaps" is a bad argument for potentially theological reasons, as Dietrich Bonhoeffer pointed out. It moves God to the periphery of human life. God becomes some additional, and superfluous, fact about the world.
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Indigineous

A life long criminal, bikie gang leader, who was a NZ citizen, Dean Martin was avoided deportation by proving he was aboriginal. It is reported he found a great-grandmother who is reportedly an Tasmanian aboriginal, who married a Maori man, this has been accepted by a Tasmanian aboriginal group. This enough for him to be accorded the aboriginal only inalienable right of abode in Australia, despite any other bad character etc. He was in a relationship with Lidia Thorpe (see above). There are groups who investigate claims of aboriginal ancestry, I will fascinated if it can be confirmed, but it appears that once he had been accepted by an aboriginal group, I have no idea what proof is required.
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Fellowship Distinctions in scripture associated with being born again and being filled with The Holy Spirit (Read the rule-set before you post)

Now we come to another contention associated with this thread,.... when was The Holy Spirit given.

Let's set the stage,....


Joh 7:37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his belly will flow rivers of living water."
Joh 7:39 (But this He spoke concerning The Spirit, whom those believing in Him were about to receive; for The Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.)



Notice the different colored sections that are highlighted. They believed in Jesus, but were not given The Holy Spirit yet.

The stipulation here was that Jesus needed to be glorified first for them to receive The Holy Spirit. What does this mean? Well I personally like the Cambridge Greek Testament for schools and colleges commentary on this,....

ὅτι … ἐδοξάσθη. Comp. Joh 16:7, Joh 17:1; Joh 17:5; Psa 68:18.

The Spirit, “though given in His fullness to Christ Himself (Joh 3:34), and operating through Him in His people (Joh 6:63), was not, until after Christ’s return to glory, to be given to the faithful as the Paraclete and representative of Christ for the carrying on of His work” (Meyer). Christ did not send the Paraclete until He Himself had resumed the fullness of Divinity; and the Spirit did not give Christ to be the life of the Church until Christ was perfected.



Well, is this true? Did Jesus have to go away unto The Father first before they could have The Holy Spirit? I believe John 16:7 tells the story,....


Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you.


I think it is quite obvious that the disciples, though believing, had not received The Holy Spirit until after Jesus had ascended to heaven and was glorified there.
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New Vatican Document Uses “BCE” Instead of “BC.” Wait. What?

BC and AD come from the Gregorian Calendar which is the most accurate calendar ever conceived.

Even a secular man like Neil DeGrasse Tyson recognizes who made the calendar. He says CE and BCE are non sensical and refuses to use them. I first heard CE and BCE from Jehovahs witnesses because they do not believe Jesus is God.

Secular scholastics are not very scholastic as they pass narrative off for science. Science has been reduced to fables and stories and no one notices because it is current thought that science does not include God. We all just go along and believe what so called science says, even though they have no idea what they are talking about.

So called modern science has abandoned philosophical first principles in favor of their narrative that is becoming increasingly suspect, the more you look at it.

Most people don’t look, because of ridicule and peer pressure. Serious scientist are beginning to see that Genesis is more scientific than the outlandish myth of evolution. Just look at the data rather than listening to the narrative

Let’s get back to first principles and observational science, rather than the Cliff Calvin like narrative we are subjected to today

The first thing is to not say it is no big deal to let the atheists control the narrative
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New Trump ad uses edited quote to attack nonexistent Harris immigration proposal

Even if there was a plan to grant amnesty, they would still have to meet the same eligibility requirements for Social Security as everyone else. That means working and paying into SS for at least 10 years.
My analysis is just stating facts about the impact of amnesty on social security. I do not know the potential numbers, ages, or incomes of the group that will most likely have amnesty. However, I do state some factors to consider when it comes to social security solvency.

There are lots of undocumented working in the USA for years. Could they receive benefits? "Undocumented immigrants are not “destroying” Social Security, either, as Trump suggested. Instead, there is evidence that they “actually improve Social Security’s bottom line,” AARP I do not trust AARP or the actuaries because I am uncertain how they figure the impact.

I can say that if the law granting amnesty included benefits for work already done, then they could recoup monies that were paid in the past. A smart congress might allow that exception only for ones that filed income tax returns.

I would argue too that amnesty will affect social security because it favors giving a far higher percent to those that work less. "90% of the first $1,115 of average indexed monthly earnings (AIME), plus 32% of AIME over $1,115 through $6,721, plus 15% of AIME over $6,721"

Here is an example. Suppose you get amnesty at age 50. Ok, so you work the next 15 years and make 3,000 a month. That would mean 540,000 in lifetime earnings and an average of 1285 a month because the other 20 years are counted as zeroes. The check would be 90% of the first 1115 and 32% of 170 dollars. So the high payout rate redistributes money to those who work far less in years, or who actually have less income. The new legal immigrant would get around 1075 a month, whereas the person who worked 35 years would get around 90% of the first 1115, and then 32% of roughly 23,000/12. which equals to about 1700 a month. Yes, you work 2.3 times more and get just 600 more a month. Social security is a system for redistribution because of the way benefits are calculated against those that work more years. Sadly if you worked 50 years, the top 35 years are the only ones that would count. Anyone who works fewer years drains the system because of SS formulas. The drain becomes more prominent too because they will likely be eligible for Medicaid, disability or reduced Medicare costs as well as snap or other transfer payments. Lastly, whites actually die earlier on average than Hispanics. So this again, is a drain on the system that likely is not being taken into account.

If you learn anything else about retirement, the best deal you can get unless you find a pension is to go overseas to work and gain a social security benefit from an EU or other rich Western nation. In Germany for instance just 5 years will get you something and you do not have to be a citizen.
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Fellowship Fairness and integrity

Takes me back on God's Past faithfulness in my life working in my profession and today walking by faith not by sight trusting more fasting, praying, doing ministry in how Jesus Christ is the only God giving me liberty

Exodus 20:3 KJV
'Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
giving me liberty.


Liberty- Fairness and integrity Civil liberty, is on exemption from the arbitrary will of others, which exemption is second by established laws, which restrain every man from injuring, & controlling another.

Ecclesiastes 3:1 KJV
'To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: '


My Respond:

God has blessed me to obtain the fullness of God in season, time, every purpose under heaven. Giving me the ability to prove & reprove.

Published and Word spoken by Reginald Taylor Jr

I have autism and asperger's syndrome just like the rest of you lot

Other than the one part I love being single.

I did some sales jobs to overcome the worst of my Autism. Since going to public school didn't help me learn to socialize like my dad thought would magically happen. If my parents knew how often they were going to get called up to the school for me fighting people, they would have never sent me.

If not for Jesus my life would have likely led to some version of live by the sword, die by the sword. Still there are times I'd prefer to do things my way and it's a cross to bear.
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The Golden Cassowary...

A Man Was walking down a boardwalk just after a winter storm and passed by a bird that was crying desperately for help after being frozen to the railing just above the water; however, the man even though he noticed the bird screaming at him to melt the ice his mind was thinking; What would this critter offer me in return? So, instead of taking the time to help, he kept on moving down the boardwalk to a lower level of the pier where there was an oar leaning on the side of the railing.

Suddenly an osprey was diving for a fish in the water where the bird failed to catch its meal and then was stuck in the water close to where the man was standing. The osprey was calling for help. But the man looked at the oar and then back at the osprey and thought “Those are some sharp talons he’s got, better not get near him, he may attack me with them”. And again, proceeded to walk along.

As the temperature rose, the man had a five-dollar bill and a debit card in his wallet. He soon passed by a feed n’ seed store, and when he turned the corner there was an empty bird feeder with a fledgling cardinal that was whimpering “Please sir could you spare some birdseed or some suet from the store” When the man thought back of the store, there was a small bag of sunflower seeds for seven dollars and some change and a suet cube for four fifty. But then he thought “I could save the money and buy a hamburger later on.”

As the man walked to the nearest Fastfood restaurant he found a strange colorful ball on the ground, picked it up and started shaking it, suddenly a golden cassowary greeted him on the street and the man asked the bird; “Are you here to grant me a wish or two?” The cassowary replied, “Unfortunate for you I will have to deny you even one wish for the way you’ve denied me”. The man replied, “What did I do to deny you Golden bird?” The giant bird explained further; “It’s not what you did, more like what you didn’t do you see.” “You left me stuck in the cold, you left me to drown, and you let me go hungry.” “You’re lucky I don’t decide to cut you down right now, but instead I will let you live to tell the world this.” “Take care of us birds for one day you will be rewarded for your good deeds, and those that deny us have denied the Lord just as any other creature on earth” ...

Being an "effeminate" Christman man, and wanting a masculine Christian woman--Is this normal or right?

In answer to your question, a "feminine man" is a man who has more feminine traits (physical, mental, emotional, virtues, vices, interests) than masculine ones. A "masculine woman" is the inverse; a woman with more masculine traits than feminine ones.

That doesn't really say anything unless you define what those traits are, and explain what makes certain traits either masculine or feminine.

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Wolverines will not have an Ultimate Frisbee team because of pro Palestinian student government

Perhaps the students have learned a lesson about voter apathy.

“In the March election, in which less than 20 percent of students turned out to vote, Shut It Down won the presidency and vice presidency, and secured 22 of 45 seats in the assembly.”
They certainly learned the "shut it down" tactic from the GOP Congress.
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The False Prophet

There are 3 men involved here: Rev 17:10-11's 6th King (the 'one that is'), the 7th King (the one that stays for a little while), and the 8th King that is of the 7.

There is also the dragon, beast, and False Prophet from Rev 16:13, each having a mouth.

The dragon is the one with 7 crowns (Rev 12:3) - he is the 7th King. The dragon can't be the 6th King because, while having 7 mountains which symbolize 7 heads, there are not 7 crowns. The 6th King fits as to having 7 heads and 10 horns (Rev 17:7), but not 7 crowns.
The dragon - Satan - is not any of the kings. The 7th king will be the little horn person - who after being killed and brought back to life, becomes the beast - king 8.

The mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet are...

the beast - king
the false prophet
the statue image, that will speak and has life to it, by being indwelt by Satan..

The day that Jesus returns, the statue image will burst into flames, turned to ashes - exposing Satan there on the temple mount, for everyone to see him.
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Different periodic Sabbaths in the OT

  1. There were the weekly Sabbaths (Saturdays).
  2. Annually, no matter what day of the week, Nisan 15 and 21 were Sabbath days of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread (Le 23:6-8).
  3. Annual Pentecost occurred 50 days after the first day of Passover (v 15-16). Usually fell on Sivan 6, no work (v 21).
  4. Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, no work (v 25).
  5. Day of Atonement, Tishri 10
    32a It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves.
  6. Feast of Booths, Tishri 15 and 22 (v 33-36)

There were seven annual feast Sabbath days in the biblical Jewish calendar.

7. Every seventh year was designated as a "Sabbath for the Land" (Le 25:1-7), i.e., a sabbatical year. Farmers did not work the land for a whole year.

8. Every 50th year was the year of Jubilee (v 11), and there was no sowing or harvesting and no work on the land for two consecutive years.

There were weekly, yearly, and multi-yearly Sabbaths in the OT. They foreshadowed the eternal Sabbath rest in Jesus. Matthew 11:

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

The Autocracy Virus

article said:
In Mexico, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who has also cracked down on NGOs he doesn’t like, is pushing sweeping constitutional reforms targeting the country’s judicial system.

His plan to replace Mexico’s current judicial appointment process with popular elections for all judgeships at the federal and state level might sound democratic — except for the fact that López Obrador’s Morena party will effectively decide who the candidates are.

Sound familiar?

Who decides what candidates will be placed on ballots in the erstwhile USA?
HINT: it darn sure isn't the People. It's a couple of political parties, who write, control, and manipulate the election laws.
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Celebrating Creation Day and ‘The Canticle of Brother Sun’

COMMENTARY: St. Francis of Assisi’s prayer to the Author of Life offers ample inspiration to celebrate this day.
The Basilica of St. Francis stands over the countryside surrounding Assisi, Italy.
The Basilica of St. Francis stands over the countryside surrounding Assisi, Italy. (photo: Brad Ingram / Shutterstock)

Sept. 1 brings us “Creation Day,” also known as “Feast of Creation” or “World Day of Prayer for Creation.” This moment returns, like the seasons, timely, routine, but not taken for granted. It invites us to reflect on creation, a mystery that marks us deeply. It is the wonder in which everything is born. It is the wonder of the flowers and the glaciers, of the sparrows and the cetaceans.

“Look at the birds in the sky; look at the lilies of the field” (Matthew 6:26-34). This invitation from Jesus to observe what is around us with an amazed and grateful eye stimulates us to study the musical score of the universe and listen to the great concert of the world — to try not to be, as unfortunately we are, the note out of tune.


Experiencing this in Assisi means letting ourselves be given the “la” by our singer par excellence, the Poverello. Eight hundred years ago — next year is the eighth centenary of “The Canticle of Brother Sun” — Francis of Assisi became a “maestro” even of our troubled era, an educator never followed enough by our gaze, so that it becomes a contemplative gaze, capable of inspiring the logic of prayerful gratitude and thoughtful care. We will ponder all of this, the heart of the ecological challenge — as Pope Francis proposed in Laudato Si — during the “Season of Creation,” which experiences its beginning on Sept. 1.

This date has a very ancient history in the Judeo-Christian tradition. For a long time, it has symbolized the creation of the world. In the Eastern Church, Sept. 1 was considered the moment in which God began the creation of the universe, a reason why it is the beginning of their liturgical year. It parallels the feast of Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, which also falls in September, albeit on a mobile date. On this feast, some Jewish liturgies proclaim: “Today is the day of the creation of the world.”

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