Lost Witness said:

Understanding what worship encompasses as a whole will be eye opening...perhaps a thread on that?

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AND we will plenty to keep us active as 1 Cor 6 : 2 and 3 we will GOVEN God's UNIVERSE and also GOVERN ,

ANGELS , and not to MENTION things PERTAINING to this life .

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Faith leaders and human rights groups condemned a Vatican university's decision to host an Azerbaijani state-sponsored conference, arguing that the event offered a platform to Azeri historical revisionists attempting to erase Armenian history from disputed territories between both countries.

Orthodox Archbishop Vicken Aykazian, the ecumenical director of the Eastern Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church of America, believes money is the reason behind the "Christianity in Azerbaijan: History and Modernity" event.

The conference, which took place on April 10 at the Pontifical Gregorian University, featured speakers from Turkey, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Russia, South Korea, Poland, Italy, Germany, France, the United States and Lithuania.

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Israel rejected a condemnation of its actions in Gaza by the E3 countries of Germany, France and the United Kingdom, calling it “morally twisted and wrong” in a strongly worded statement by the Foreign Ministry.

The E3 is an informal foreign and security cooperation arrangement between the three countries, which has released several statements about the Gaza War in recent months.

On Tuesday, the E3 released its latest statement marking “50 days of the aid block in Gaza.”

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Oxford, intermingle:

to mix people, ideas, colours, etc. together; to be mixed in this way.

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Prof NT Wright described the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in our human spirit, saying:

There is a kind of extraordinary intermingling of our spirit, our innermost breathing life, with God's own breath.

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Emphasis added.

In the first place, our spirit is an uncreated, detached breath of God that animates our soul. When we are born of the Spirit (born again), the Paraclete/Spirit takes up residence in our human spirit. This is not an intermingling of two different substances but a merging of the same kind of spiritual substance.

He said:

In shaping and directing the believer, … the Spirit's own self, having come home to you and me, and each one, has itself been shaped afresh.

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The Indwelling of the Spirit is to affect us, not the other way around. We do not shape the Spirit.

Just as the Incarnate Son was shaped as a human being by his friendships with Peter, James, John, Mary Magdalene. He became the human being that he was and is through those relationships. So the Spirit, having dwelt within us, … think the effect of that on the Spirit's own self.

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This analogical argument doesn't work. Wright anthropomorphized the Spirit too much. Jesus was a man. The Spirit isn't. Christians are called to partner with the Holy Spirit in living out their faith. "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Ph 2:12). Human effort aligns with the Spirit’s transformative work. He shapes us.

At our death, God will download our software onto his hardware

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Actually, the term 'upload 'is more appropriate. When we die, our soul data/info will be uploaded to God's spiritual hardware for safekeeping.

until he gives us new hardware to run the software again for ourselves.

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Right, that's our resurrected bodies.

Do we shape the Holy Spirit?

No. The Holy Spirit is divine, sovereign, and immutable. I wouldn't personify the Spirit too much.

Indiana's Republican Gov. Mike Braun signed Senate Bill 143 into law Tuesday, adding a new article to the Indiana code titled "Parental Rights and Responsibilities" amid nationwide concerns that public school employees are withholding information from parents.

The measure, which passed the Republican-controlled Indiana Senate in a 44-5 vote and the Republican-controlled Indiana House of Representatives in a 69-24 vote, adds a new article to the Indiana code titled "Parental Rights and Responsibilities."

Votes in both chambers fell mainly along party lines, with most support coming from Republicans and most opposition coming from Democrats.

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Laodicean60 said:

Think about it. Does unemployment rise in a "strong" economy? All I'm doing is pushing back on the lunacy that Trump inherited a strong economy, and I've posted my comments on other threads about Trump's economic policy. You have to understand that unemployment and housing are lagging indicators.

Manufacturing employment has been on a decline since 2022. It's all about the trend.

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Lol, your graph clearly shows a precipitous decline from the beginning of Trump’s 1st term to the end of that term while it shows tremendous growth during his term. For Trump’s 2nd term, he has been responsible unemploying scores of thousands and indirectly through his chaotic tariff policies even more.

Having your spouse abducted and being shunned as a widow... what amazing perseverance our brothers and sisters in Christ show from across the world!

Let us pray for the repose of the soul of Pope Francis. We ought to pray no less fervently that God in His mercy will bless His Church with a new pope of the kind she most needs at this time in her history. As the cardinals begin to think about a successor, it is appropriate for them, and for us, to recall that the first duty of any pope is to preserve undiluted the deposit of faith. It concerns sound doctrine even more than sound practice, because practice can be sound only when doctrine is sound. This is something those electing a new pope should always keep first and foremost in mind. But reminders are especially important today, when the Church faces greater doctrinal confusion than perhaps at any previous time.
The modern, liberal, secular world does not like to hear such reminders. When a pope dies, the press will, predictably, praise his personal kindness and concern for the poor and marginalized. In part, this is merely politeness of the kind appropriate when any person dies. But it also seems to be what is emphasized in commentary on who a pope’s successor ought to be. The liberal, secular world’s idea of a good pope is essentially a social worker with the personality of Mr. Rogers. It is impatient with the idea that the main reason the papacy exists is to preserve the doctrine handed down to us by the Apostles, and to unite the faithful around that doctrine.

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mathinspiration said:

Revelation 12 MSG;NIV - The Woman, Her Son, and the Dragon - A - Bible Gateway
Is it Mary or the church?

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A women represent a church. Ephesians 5:25 In Revelation, there is the faithful women, dressed in white which represents God's true church and the harlot who represents the false church. Her wine, which represents false doctrine, she is the mother, which means she has daughters who came out of the mother but still teaching false doctrine. God is calling us out of this church or spiritual Babylon and enter His true church which keep the commandments of God and have the faith and testimony of Jesus Christ Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17. The commandments of course are God's version, what He wrote and He spoke with His own finger Deut 4:13 His own Testimony Exo 31:18, that sadly most do not follow, because they are drunk with the false doctrine handed down by the mother church..

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We don't need many for a quorum. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

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Indeed, I agree with this sentiment. Alas Jewish synagogues have a higher number (ten adults, or in those synagogues commonly called orthodox, ten males who have completed the Bar Mitzvah) cease having regular services when they cannot reliably attract a minyan.

The College of Cardinals saw a significant increase in attendance at Wednesday’s general congregation, with 103 cardinals now present in Rome — nearly double the approximately 60 who participated in Tuesday’s initial gathering.

The cardinals began their second meeting with prayers for Pope Francis before making several key decisions regarding the sede vacante period, including finalizing the schedule for the Novendiales — the nine-day mourning period that begins with Saturday’s requiem Mass.

According to the Office for Papal Liturgical Celebrations, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, dean of the College of Cardinals, will preside at the funeral Mass for Pope Francis on Saturday, April 26, at 10 a.m. Rome time.

The congregation also determined which cardinals will celebrate each of the subsequent Novendiales Masses through May 4. Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Vatican secretary of state, will preside at Sunday’s Mass, which begins at 10:30 a.m., while the remaining Masses will be celebrated at 5 p.m. each day.

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rambot said:

The crime of being hated by liberals [insert wailing and gnashing of teeth]

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I dunno. Personally, I don't hate Trump. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him, but that isn't personal. I'd feel the same for anyone who has been proven guilty of fraud as many times as he has.

-- A2SG, call it a quirk of mine....

Grafted In said:

You may have misunderstood my poorly worded post.
What i meant was that he hadn't gone back home.

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Thanks - in that case, I agree.

soldier of light said:

I suffer with depression which caused psychosis according doctors. I hear voices in my head and I have anxiety attacks. The joy of the Lord is my strength. We walk by faith not sight which means that we dont look at our hardship which is temporary but we look at eternal things instead.

Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11 Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.

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That's awesome that you are overcoming these challenges by being grounding in God and his scripture!!

Aryeh Jay said:

I was once told that I was at McMurdo Station but after taking to the people who really know, they told me it was actually Greenland and the government installed giant electro magnets to have the compass point in the "correct" direction. We had been subject to illuminati mind controlling drugs.

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I’ve seen those electromagnetic devices in the UK. Massive great tall things.

No one (i.e. me) seems to know anything about them. They are almost always connected to electrical junction boxes that our electrical service uses. No one else seems to know that I know about them.

It worries a lot of people: I expect.

DaisyDay said:

From the Independent: Sarah Sanders begs her old boss Trump to reconsider after president rejects Arkansas’ request for disaster relief funds

[indent[In an appeal to Trump, her former boss, Sanders and the Arkansas Division of Emergency Management wrote again on April 18 and pleaded with the president that Arkansas is “in dire need of federal assistance.”

“The severe storms and tornadoes that occurred on March 14 and 15, 2025, produced catastrophic impacts across the state. The sheer magnitude of this event resulted in overwhelming amounts of debris, widespread destruction to homes and businesses, the tragic loss of three lives, and injuries to many others,” Sanders said in the letter, the Arkansas Times reports.

She described how a second wave of severe weather hit Arkansas less than three weeks later.

“Given the cumulative impact of these events, federal assistance is essential to help our communities recover,” Sanders said.[/indent]

Trump says no while contemplating the complete elimination of FEMA. State disasters are state's problem.

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The leopards are eating well in 25.

I have settled back into the comfort of pre tribulation rapture and eternal salvation.

Hello Dan.
I shared my thoughts on the 2 portions of Scripture.
I invite you to comment.

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Yeah she and the rest of her family I believe, though I haven't seen her dad in a while.

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That’s pretty cool! God bless them!

Helping one another
Is a thing that’s kind to do.
Seeing what is needed
So our giving’s not too few.

Seeing smiling faces
When their needs are being met,
Causes much rejoicing,
Even helps some out of debt.

It gives us much pleasure
Knowing we helped meet some needs.
Giving them some groceries
Helps some mouths we get to feed.

We are now encouraged,
For in giving, we are blessed,
Knowing that we helped them
When in them we did invest.

Sharing now with others
What our Lord has given us,
Follows His example,
And this now should be our thrust.

Loving them like Jesus,
How He sacrificed for us,
Gave His life up for us
So in Him we’d put our trust,

Ministers to others,
Shows them love of Jesus, too,
How much He does love them
And their lives he would renew.

On that cross He suffered,
Put our sins to death with Him
So we’d die to our sins,
So in love, we’d live for Him.

An Original Work / April 23, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

timothyu said:

Klaus is now a quaint relic of the past. Meet the new leader of the WEF. These people are who movie villians are modelled on

Peter Brabeck-Letmathe - Wikipedia

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I'm kinda keen on the idea of having a software package that rules the world. I'd even like to have a hand in writing it. You can bet the ranch that I'd end up with a nice job, preferably with unlimited round-trip business class tickets to LA, London, and Aarhus.

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The bible is not a divination tool.

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Killjoy.

This passage of Scripture is from the Old Testament, but in the New Testament we are also instructed of God to proclaim the good tidings of His salvation from day to day. For we who are of genuine faith in Jesus Christ are God’s possession, that we may proclaim the excellencies of him who called us out of darkness into his wonderful light. And we are the salt of the earth and the light of the world in sharing the truth of the gospel of Christ.

And we who are disciples of Jesus Christ, by God-gifted and God-persuaded faith in him, are to go and make disciples of Christ of people of all nations, baptizing them (where possible), and teaching them to observe (obey) all that God has commanded us under the New Covenant. And when we believe in Jesus, and his Spirit comes to live within us, we are to be the Lord’s witnesses locally and to other cities and states and countries in the world.

For how will the people of the world be able to call on the Lord unless we are proclaiming the truth of the gospel to them? For they need to be taught the word. As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” (see Romans 10:14-15) And we are not to say, “There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest.” But we are to look, and to “lift up our eyes, and see that the fields are white for harvest.” (see John 4:31-38).

And Jesus said that whoever believes in him will also do the works that he did. And whoever says that he abides in Christ Jesus ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. For to this we have been called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, so that we might follow in his steps. And like Paul, we are to open spiritually blinded eyes so that they will turn from darkness (sin) to the light (Jesus, the gospel, righteousness), and from the control of Satan, to coming under the Lordship of Christ Jesus.

[1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:21; Matthew 5:13-16; Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:14-15; John 4:31-38; John 13:13-17; John 14:12; 1 John 2:6, etc.]

For if our faith in the Lord Jesus is of God, and it is persuaded of God, and it is not of our own flesh, we should want to share the message of the gospel of our salvation with other people, because we love them, and because we know that faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to God and to eternal life with God. But this faith requires that we deny self, put sin to death daily, by the Spirit, and that we walk in obedience to our Lord, in his power.

For Jesus Christ put our sins to death with him on that cross so that we will now die with him to sin and live to him and to his righteousness, in walks of obedience to his ways, and to his will, and to his commands. He died that we will no longer live for self, but for him who gave his life up for us. So, if we profess faith in Jesus Christ with our lips, but then we continue in deliberate and habitual sin, and not in obedience to God, we will not have life in Him.

For the flesh of humans is an idol that many hold on to. But we cannot serve the flesh and serve God, too. And if the flesh and sin are what we obey, and not God, then we don’t know God, we are not in fellowship with him, and we will not have eternal life in him, regardless of what our lips professed. For to fear God above all gods, we must obey God, revere him, honor him as Lord, serve him with our lives, and submit to the will and purpose he has for us.

This is a summary of Romans 6:1-23 which is a summation of the gospel:

By God-persuaded faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands. Thus, we are no longer to allow sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience is what we obey, it results in sanctification and its end is eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

The Lord’s Anointed

Based off Isaiah 61

The Spirit of the Sov’reign Lord on me;
Anointed to preach the Good News;
Sent me to bind up the brokenhearted;
Proclaim freedom for the captives.
He sent me to preach release for pris’ners
Who are walking in sin’s darkness;
Proclaim God’s grace to all men who’ll listen;
And tell them about God’s judgments;
Comfort all who mourn;
Give crowns of beauty;
Oil of gladness and thanksgiving.

They will be called oaks of God’s righteousness,
A planting of our Savior, God,
For the display of our Lord’s splendor, and
They will rebuild God’s holy church.
God will renew them, and will restore them,
And you’ll be called priests of the Lord.
You will be ministers of our God, and
You will rejoice in salvation.
The Lord loves justice;
He is faithful to
Reward those who are seeking Him.

I delight greatly in the Lord;
My soul rejoices in my Savior, God.
He has clothed me with His salvation,
And in a robe of His righteousness.
He has given me priestly garments to wear,
As the bride of Jesus Christ.
As the garden of our Lord and Savior,
He causes us to grow in Him.
He makes righteousness,
Praise, and thanksgiving
Spring up before all the nations.

An Original Work / December 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

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An Original Work / April 23, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Do humans ever go to heaven?

The belief and teaching that all humans have natural immortality via an immortal soul can be traced back thousands of years. We can see from history that nations like Egypt and Babylon taught their people about an immortal soul in every human, that continued to live, to think and to experience life, after the body had died. Depending on the nation and on their spiritual theology they had, would come various teachings about where and under what conditions this immortal soul would experience after the death of the physical body. Some nations would bury the dead body in graves with all kinds of things for the departed to take with them and to use to enjoy in the afterlife.

Different nations may have had different places where the departed soul would live when it left the dead body, but to put it in simple language, the immortal soul was in a "heaven" of some sort. They even had gloomy underworlds for those not thought to have done enough good in their physical lives to warrant the prize of "heaven."

All this should start to sound somewhat familiar with certain teaching and beliefs of many Christian churches and organizations. Many have heard the "hell-fire and brimstone" sermons preached loud and vigorously by a Christian minister or Camp-meeting tent revivalist. Such preaching of course includes telling you that if you "give your heart to the Lord" and turn from sin, you can "go to heaven" and live in bliss, doing...well they are not sure, maybe singing and strumming on a harp?

Just about all Christians today believe they shall "get to heaven" one day. They firmly believe that going to heaven is one of the basic rewards of being Christian. To think, and to teach otherwise, to them, is pretty close to being a nutty and strange heretic. They are convinced the Bible shows and tells us that going to heaven is the automatic reward of the children of God. And most believe that going to heaven takes place when the physical body stops breathing and dies. Yet this common and prevailing theological view was not the common view or teaching of the early New Testament Church of God.

The early NT church did not teach or believe in going to heaven at death, for those faithful Christians. Church history shows that it was only through the teachings of people like Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and others that most professing Christians gradually came to adopt the belief of the immortal soul, and going immediately "somewhere" after the death of the body. Many were coming into the popular church of the Roman Empire, founded in Rome, who already held to Hellenistic philosophy, Egyptian mythology, and Babylonian Mystery religions, with an after death life of some sort as the foundation of it all. They did not want to give up this teaching and belief, just as they did not want to abandon many other false teachings and practices. So, to accommodate them the large popular church took many of these old pagan beliefs and re-clothed them with Christian garments. Hence, as the millenniums came and went today's doctrines of the immortal soul as taught together with an ever burning hell fire for the wicked, a purgatory for those who may not have sinned unto eternal torment, and can possibly yet be granted heaven and a heaven where God is, for the righteous. All this came to be church doctrines.

Most Christians believe they will at some point "get to heaven" where God is dwelling. Some do not believe you go to heaven at death, but that death is a sleep until the resurrection, then when Jesus returns to raise the righteous dead, all go back with Him to heaven for a thousand years, until the new earth comes into being. Others believe that Christ returns to "rapture" His Church away from the terrible tribulation then taking place on the earth, and that they spent either 7 years or 3 1/2 years in heaven, before returning again with Christ to set up the Kingdom of God on earth for a thousand years.

Whatever the various beliefs of certain religious sects and denominations is on this matter, just about all of them teach and believe that the good Christian will someday, for some period of time "go to heaven" where the Father lives and dwells in the heavenly Jerusalem.

IF WE SHALL GO TO HEAVEN ONE DAY....

And if this is a fundamental plain teaching of the Bible, then surely we should be able to find many verses all over the Bible saying things such as: "When we get to heaven," "When we see each other in heaven," "They are up there in heaven with God," "We shall go to heaven at Christ's return," "We shall be in heaven where God is one day." BUT VERSES LIKE THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!

BUT, what we do read in the Bible is the Words of Jesus: No man goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13 Where I go, you cannot come. John 7:34 Your home is in this world, Mine is not. John 8:23 I do not pray, Father, that You take them out of this world.... John 17:15

So the truth is, the idea of a 'rapture to heaven', is a straight out Satanic lie; one of his most successful ones, that will cause many unprepared Christians to fall on the Day of trial. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15



Most Christians think that heaven is our destination and preachers tout it from the pulpit. Why then didn't the people of the Bible use such language? Could it be that they knew that going off to heaven where God the Father now dwells was NEVER promised to any earthy mortal person?

The word "heaven" is used 570 times in the Bible. "Heavenly" appears 23 times and "heavens" is used 121 times. Surely, somewhere, in all those uses we can find a statement: "When we are in heaven" or "We are going to go to heaven" or maybe "He has gone to God in heaven." If you take a Bible concordance you can find all the verses where "heaven," "heavenly," and heavens" are used throughout the Bible. Look them up! See if you can find a verse that says, "We shall go to heaven," "Heaven is our eternal abode," "They are up in heaven" or any plain statement about Christians or children of God going to be with God in heaven for ANY length of time. You have over 500 places where "heaven" is used. Try to find any verse that tells us clearly we shall someday, sometime, go to live where God the Father dwells.

There are THREE heavens mentioned in the Bible. 1) The heaven [atmosphere] where the birds fly. 2) the heaven [space] where the planets and stars are. 3) The heaven [spiritual] where God's throne is, where God is now.

I knew a man in Christ.... caught up to the THIRD heaven....He was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words....2 Cor. 12:2-4 The third heaven is where God dwells!

KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ?

Some will say, "Well Christ talked about our being in the Kingdom of heaven. Surely that proves we shall 'go to heaven'. If it does, then some shall be in heaven while others are not. Matthew 5:3-5. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven....blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. The Kingdom OF heaven is the Kingdom that BELONGS to heaven. It is owned and operated by heaven. the Kingdom that BELONGS to God, not the Kingdom inside God. The Gospels according to Mark and Luke use "Kingdom OF God"

OUR REWARD IS IN HEAVEN

Is not our reward to go to heaven? Are there not some verses that say something to that effect? Here they are: Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in heaven.... Matthew 5:12 Do not display your religion before others, if you do you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1 But lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.....Luke 6:23 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled…reserved in heaven for you. 1 Peter 1:4

Now, let's be honest. Do the above verses say: "Our reward is to get to heaven" or "When we get to heaven we shall be given our reward." Do these verses say: "Our reserved inheritance is to get to heaven to be with God" ? No, they do not! Truly, Christians will receive rewards and we are to inherit eternal life, but when? Eternal life comes at the resurrection. Read 1 Cor.15; Rev.2:10; 2 Tim.4:8 Our rewards are to be given to us by Christ at His return. And, behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev. 22:12 Our rewards and inheritance are reserved in heaven. They come down out of heaven with Christ at his return.

NAMED TO GO TO HEAVEN?

Are not Christians named and written down in a book to go to heaven? ….but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven Luke 10:20 To the general assembly and church of

the firstborn, which are written in heaven....Heb. 12:23

Do these verses say, "Because you will go to heaven" or "The church of the firstborn will one day get to heaven" ? No! Our names (God knows who are His) are written down in the book of

life, the book of life being in heaven. But we receive life eternal after the Great White Throne Judgement, when the Book of Life is opened. Revelation 20:11-15

OUR HOPE....TO GO TO HEAVEN?

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel. Col.1:5 What is the hope for Christians? Paul answers in

another letter he wrote: But if there be NO RESURRECTION of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.....then they which are also fallen asleep in Christ are PERISHED....For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man on his own order: Christ the firstfruits: AFTERWARDS they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. 1 Cor. 15: 13-23

Our HOPE is Christ, who has been raised from the dead and is now in heaven, waiting to be sent back to this earth when He shall reing as King for 1000 years.

Colossians 1:5 does NOT say, "Our hope is to get to heaven." Or "The church's hope is to be with Christ in heaven." It says: our HOPE is kept in heaven. That hope is Christ and His Return. Philippians 3:20 Christian believers are citizens of heaven and from heaven we can expect our Deliverer to come: The Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice! This Kingdom is in heaven that we are citizens of. If we be Christ's, we belong to His family. We are brothers of His, we are part of God's family, His children, and so of His government, kingdom, which is at present in heaven. Not that we are in heaven, for the reality is: we live on earth, but the Kingdom, where our citizenship is; that we now belong to, is in heaven.

NO MAN HAS EVER GONE TO HEAVEN

Here is a plain and easy to understand verse: And NO MAN has ASCENDED up to heaven, except for He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13 BELIEVE what Christ said, He should know. He was in heaven with the Father from the beginning, and He did not see any human ever come from earth up to heaven. It’s indisputable, Enoch could not have gone to the third heaven, neither did Moses, nor did Elijah. All humans who have ever lived, or will live, up to the Return of Jesus and are not still alive when Jesus comes, will sleep in death. They will be in the grave, and the martyrs, those killed for their faith, Revelation 20:4, wait to hear the voice of the Son of man, to rise from the dead in a resurrection. Then, for a thousand years they shall reign with Christ on His throne over this earth, as they establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Revelation 20:4

At the end of the thousand years comes the new heavens and the new earth. Then the heavenly Jerusalem together with God the Father will come from heaven to this new earth, which will then become the dwelling place of the throne of the universe for all Eternity.

What we can say is that we, the children of God, will one day be in heaven.....yes.....when heaven comes to earth. Revelation 21:1-4 But what we cannot say is that any human will be taken up to heaven to avoid the wrath to come. The Lord promises protection to all these who place their trust in Him and this may be a profound spiritual experience. Nahum 1:1-8, Isaiah 43:2, +
Ref: Keith Hunt