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Does God have a sense of humor? Well, duh!

There's a couple Proverbs that play on exaggeration.
Jesus can get snarky. I can picture him rebuking them w/ a playful humor when he delivers 'his lines.' I think he had a charm to him, they didn't feel like he's mean when he's rebuking them.

IMO the Bible isn't meant to be a joke book tho, otherwise how could you take it serious. No doubt God has a sense of humor tho, we're meant to laugh some. Laughing is good, no?

What do the hippies say? Jesus was a partier. I don't necessarily agree w/ that the way they paint it as, but he was a likable guy who got invited to everyday things, even by the lost at times.
Yep, agreed on all points. I would imagine that in God demonstrating a bit of humor in Scripture and in our experiences He does so with the full expectation that the Holy Spirit will keep us in line with the overarching seriousness as intended.

I know I share a laugh with Him when I do something goofball like tripping over my shoelaces. It's all part of the privilege of having a running dialogue with Him all day long! We kids are blessed!!!! He does "delight" in us, no?

Don't we have a laugh at our own toddlers bravado and mischieviousness at times? Who do we think we get that from, isn't it the One in Whose image we are created?

Perhaps of special note is the example of how we relate to each other as friends. Jesus says He no longer considers us servants, but His friends - so intimate that He trusts us with a giggle or two, that we'll handle our roles as His Ambassadors just fine.

I figure folks that miss out on His humor are actually depriving themselves of a deeper walk. *shrug* Sometimes I have to stop in mid-prayer and have a laugh with Him when I'm aware that I'm trying to cover all the potential bases like an incantation or something. Am I the only one who does that occassionally?

Speaking of a laugh, ever heard of Grady Nutt, Christian pastor and humorist? He does a really entertaining rendition of the Parable of the Prodigal Son. But man, when he gets to the point of his insight into the tale, it is poignant! Maybe I'll post it sometime, if too many feathers wouldn't get ruffled.

Just an aside, I would say that along with your opining about Jesus' good nature, that you would agree that it would be however unlikely that He would use self-deprecating humor, as a certain tv show (or netflix or movie) would have us believe. Along with dreaming up back stories and extra dialogue, I'll continue to take a pass on that...

God bless!
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weekly prayer

"[God] will cover you with His pinions,
and under His wings you will find refuge;
His faithfulness is a shield and buckler."

~ Psalm 91:4 ESV

INDIA: Pastor and Church Members Beaten in Violent Attack​

Source: International Christian Concern​

A group of men in white shirts are carrying orange flags and marching through the street.

Hindu nationalists.
Photo: Wikipedia / Suyash Dwivedi (cc)

A pastor and several members of his church were physically attacked on September 8th when Hindu nationalists raided a worship service in Bhubaneswar, Odisha State. The Christians were accused of forcibly converting Hindus to Christianity.
The targeted church members had recently rented a three-story building to conduct their worship services. However, when affiliates of Hindu nationalist groups learned that more than 100 people were attending the services, they decided to take action against the growing church.
Perpetrators of the violence finally ceased their attack when local authorities arrived at the scene and took some people, including Christian worshippers, to the police station for questioning. There, Hindu militants surrounded the station in protest until the arrival of the leading police officer.
False accusations of forcible conversion activities are frequently used against churches and Christian individuals in India. For more information on the persecution of followers of Jesus in this South Asian nation, go to our country report.
Pray that our Christian brothers and sisters in India who were beaten during this recent attack will fully recover from their injuries and that those responsible for the incident would be held accountable for their wrongful actions. Pray also that the authorities would act with justice and equality as they seek to keep the peace in this community. May the members of the targeted church not be discouraged by the opposition they've encountered, but rather may they continue to resiliently serve as testimonies of God's saving grace to all those around them.
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BURKINA FASO: Hundreds Killed by Islamic Jihadists​

Sources: Release International, Reuters, Barnabas Fund, La Croix International, Africa News​

A dirt street in what appears to be a village.

A street in Burkina Faso.
Photo: Flickr / Jurken (cc)

Since 2015, the West African nation of Burkina Faso has experienced numerous violent attacks by militants linked to al-Qaeda in a deadly Islamic insurgency that has spread from neighbouring Mali. In what is now the single biggest massacre since the start of the ongoing conflict, as many as 400 people were slaughtered during a raid on August 24th.
The town of Barsalogho is located in an area that has been plagued by constant threats from the militants. On the day of the devastating attack, residents were ordered by government troops to dig protective trenches around their community when they were suddenly ambushed by heavily armed fighters who began killing indiscriminately. The trenches that the residents had been digging ended up being used as mass graves for the victims.
One resident, who was able to flee the area, stated: "Barsalogho is regularly attacked by terrorists. But never has an attack been so deadly. The terrorists killed as many people as possible without distinguishing between soldiers, volunteers and civilians." In response to the carnage, the country's prime minister admitted that the civilians who had been recruited to dig the trenches – some involuntarily – had not been adequately protected.
Christians have been disproportionately affected by the violence in Burkina Faso, and churches are frequently targeted by Muslim militants. In a separate incident that took place on August 25th, a church in the small village of Kounla was surrounded by a group of insurgents. Entering the church building, the attackers ordered all the women and children to leave. They then tied up the remaining 26 men and executed them. The militants subsequently set fire to the homes of the believers before stealing their livestock and leaving. To review other reports on the difficulties facing Christians in Burkina Faso, go to this page.
Please prayerfully uphold the tremendous number of families now grieving the loss of loved ones who were so senselessly killed in these recent attacks, asking God – who is "near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit" – to minister His comfort, love and peace. Also pray for the healing of the many survivors who were traumatized by the devastating violence (Psalm 34:18). May the country's governing forces soon regain control of the region and become adequately equipped to provide all the country's innocent civilians greatly needed protection, assuring them of their safety. Ultimately, may each member of these vulnerable communities find refuge under the wings of our compassionate Heavenly Father (Psalm 91:4).
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SYRIA: Islamist Commander Confiscates Land of Christians​

Sources: Christian Solidarity Worldwide, Independent Catholic News, The Christian Post​

A farmer is checking his tomato plants.

A farmer in Syria.
Photo: UN Development Programme (cc)

The Syrian city of Ras al-Ein, which happens to be located along the country's border with Türkiye, is currently under the control of a coalition of Islamist militias associated with the Turkish-backed rebel group, the Syrian National Army (SNA). In June 2024, a SNA commander named Abdulaziz Al-Sawadi visited the St. Thomas Syriac Orthodox Church in Ras al-Ein and expressed his commitment to develop a positive relationship with the small number of Christians remaining in the area. During his visit, the commander also vowed to provide the believers protection.
Regrettably, the Christian community did not receive the protection promised to them. It was recently reported that 500 acres of farmland have since been confiscated from Christians residing in the area by a commander from one of the affiliated Islamist militia groups. Along with the confiscations, the militia groups are threatening to increase the farmers' taxes from 20 to 35 percent.
A local tribal chief has condemned the imposed actions. "We have tried to reach out to these militias and their Turkish masters, but they have constantly ignored us," the chief explained. "Our Christian brothers have contributed massively to the development and richness of our area. They ran the most successful education, agricultural and health projects, and we are concerned that the remaining Christians will be forced to leave, which would be a big loss for us all."
Speaking of the militia groups, a Muslim tribal leader stated: "They don't represent us; they only represent themselves and their backers. They are worse than Assad's officials, who were corrupt but didn't interfere with personal and religious freedoms." For additional information outlining the troubling situations facing Christians in Syria, go to our country report.
Prayerfully remember the beleaguered Christians in Syria who are encountering various challenges from multiple militia groups, asking the Lord to encourage, strengthen and meet the needs of these faithful followers of Jesus. May a stable governing force be established in the country; one that would take into account the concerns and rights of all Syrian citizens. Furthermore, pray that believers in Ras al-Ein – as well as those in other areas of this Middle Eastern nation – will serve as consistent witnesses to their neighbouring community members, leading many more to faith in Christ.

What's a "church name"?

The tradition of the Greeks is that the first grandchildren are named after their grandparents, with their "middle name", being their father's name in the possessive tense - a patronymic. That accounts for 4 children, assuming there is a gender equivalent name. The baptismal sponsor is often allowed to pick the child's name, presumably as an inducement to serve as such. In large families, the child's name might be that of another relative or any other, including the saint's day of the child's birth or baptism. The grandparents are usually accounted for first, but not always.

As for American Greeks, some families preserve this tradition but often in the 3rd and 4th generation it is not followed. It is one of the first casualties of a mixed marriage. In the 2nd generation of US immigrants, with a strong sense of blending in, it was not uncommon for children to be given an "anglo" legal name that started with the same letter of the alphabet as the Greek name. At communion, the child would give her Greek Christian name. So, perhaps, Maxine for Magdalene. That didn't last long as mixed marriages began to predominate.

I think the Greek method of honoring the grandparents is a very good one. Better than the soap opera names. Of course soon, and likely now, the grandparents have soap opera names.

Yeah, this grinds my gears.
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Hello again @RawStrength, the easiest way to create a PM/Private Message (aka "Start Conversation") is to click on a member's name or avatar and then click on "Start Conversation" at the bottom of the little window that pops up.

I believe that you need to have 25 messages and 10 likes to do so however, so as soon as you post 1 more message I believe that you will be able to create and/or participate in a PM with other members.

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - we can just continue to talk to one another right here in your thread too, of course :)
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Should a church member get KICKED out of church membership if he/she is dating a non christian person ?

Yep, a decision would be made. Which is good and preferable to just restrict all together.
The threat to restrict would also provoke a choice. A choice between the faith and the infatuation. It could save a whole world of hurt. God Bless You :)
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Beaten, barely escapes forced marriage. Govt. restrictions separate family. Kidnapped pastor's life in danger.

  • Sep. 19, 2024 | Tajikistan​

    Christian Woman Beaten, Barely Escapes Forced Marriage

    [10] prayers in [2] nations have been posted for Tajikistan Christians.
    Tajikistan is a restricted nation in Central Asia. The majority of Tajiks are Muslim.
    When Dinara came to faith in Christ, her Muslim family members beat her severely. Dinara fled from the abuse, but her family tricked her into returning by telling her that her grandfather was ill and urgently needed her attention. When she returned, she arrived to a room full of people waiting for her, including a Muslim man who was going to take her as his second wife. Dinara escaped and eventually fled to another nation, where she is working to start a new life. Read More.
  • Sep. 19, 2024 | Bhutan​

    Family Separated Due to Government Restrictions

    [8] prayers in [2] nations have been posted for Christians in Bhutan.
    Pray for Christians in Bhutan who lose their citizenship and official status.
    A family involved in gospel outreach in the isolated and restricted nation of Bhutan has been separated as the government has refused them proper documentation because of their faith. In addition, the government has not allowed any of the family members to leave lockdown since the coronavirus pandemic began in 2019. They request prayer that the Lord would intercede in their difficult situation. Read More.
  • Sep. 19, 2024 | Nigeria​

    Kidnapped Pastor's Life in Danger

    [8] prayers in [2] nations have been posted for Pastor Paul.

    Nigerian church leaders request urgent prayer for Pastor Paul Musa. In March 2023, Pastor Paul and his wife, Ruth, were abducted from their home in northern Nigeria's Borno State by militants belonging to Boko Haram, a radical Islamist group. The kidnappers posted video of Pastor Musa in late June 2024 and threatened to kill him if their demands were not met. Church leaders worry that the Islamists may have already killed Ruth. Read More.

Biden-Harris border official claims cover-up as he was allegedly ordered to hide release of migrants

The former Border Patrol official responsible for securing nearly 1,000 miles of America’s frontier has charged that the Biden-Harris administration intentionally covered up the ongoing migrant crisis.


Ex-San Diego Sector Chief Agent Aaron Heitke told members of the House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday that the White House repeatedly tried to “quiet the border-wide crisis” by shielding information from the press and concealing crossings by dangerous migrants with terror ties.


“I had to release illegal aliens by the hundreds each day into communities who could not support them,” testified Heitke, who retired in summer 2023 and appeared voluntarily before the panel.

I listened to some of Heike's testimony today to the House Homeland Security Committee. Nothing that I heard surprised me at all. His testimony gives proof that the Biden administration and the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security are hiding the facts and truth about the massive illegal immigration. The Biden administration and the Democratic Party doesn't want Americans to know the facts and truth about this.
Why????
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Pope Francis says the Catholic Church is ‘more alive’ outside of Europe

2/3rds of the Catholic population live in 2nd and 3rd world nations. Those in Western Europe and North America only make up the
other 1/3rd. It has been this way for the pats 40 years or more.

So, when the Pope speaks, he is often speaking for the entire Catholic Church, not just us in the West.

Perhaps those of us in the US will have a better understanding of when and how the Pope speaks.
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Did they kill women and children in the civil war against Benjamin?

At the end of the civil war against Benjamin, Jg 20:

46 On that day twenty-five thousand Benjamite swordsmen fell, all of them valiant fighters. 47 But six hundred of them turned and fled into the wilderness to the rock of Rimmon, where they stayed four months.
Only a remnant of 600 Benjamin men survived.

48 The men of Israel went back to Benjamin and put all the towns to the sword, including the animals and everything else they found. All the towns they came across they set on fire.
Did they kill the women and children?

Ellicott, Benson, Keil and Delitzsch, Matthew Poole, and Gill all thought so.

Jg 21:

15 The people grieved for Benjamin, because the Lord had made a gap in the tribes of Israel. 16 And the elders of the assembly said, “With the women of Benjamin destroyed, how shall we provide wives for the men who are left?
They killed the men, women, and children in Jabesh-Gilead (Manassah) but spared 400 young virgins (Jg 21:12) to be wives for the Benjamin survivors. The others caught 200 daughters of Shiloh when they danced during a yearly feast to the Lord (Jg 21:21).

Did they kill women and children in the civil war against Benjamin?

Yes, the tribe of Benjamin was almost exterminated during this civil war.

Prayer for the Russia / Ukraine conflict

There is a silver lining. Ukraine is hanging in there. They are now attacking Russia. There are probably life saving miracles on both sides.

I haven’t prayed for Ukraine in a while. Why don’t they just give up to the bully. Their country is already destroyed and the people displaced. I put that into a prayer. I think they are showing a lot of outrage though which is good.

War is awful though but it continues to the end. What about Israel I pray for peace there and for Israel to win. I hate war, I’ve seen what it did to our men in viet nam. Didn’t like it one bit. Jesus will end war after Armageddon with a final victory. Sure hope trump doesn’t start a war. It’s awful but there will be wars and rumors of wars.
Would you give up your home and state? Only part of the territory is enough for now but russia insists that ukraine could never join NATO. So basically you are giving up your security for the future of the whole nation.
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Zechariah and Prophecy Today

, I anticipate that Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah will soon be eliminated by Israel.
But what the Bible Prophets say, is that Israels leaders will be gone and incompetent leaders will take over:

Isaiah 3:1-9 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every prop and support, all of their leaders, generals and counsellors will lose their positions. I shall appoint inexperienced people to positions of authority. Oppression and arrogance will stalk the Land and there will be severe shortages of food and water.
Judah is brought low, for in word and deed, they defy the Lord. The look on their faces testifies against them. Like Sodom, they parade their sins. Woe betide them, they have earned the disaster that will strike them.


Isaiah 3:10-11 Happy are the righteous. All goes well with them. Woe to the wicked, disaster is upon them. My people, those who guide you are leading you astray.

Isaiah 3:13-26 The Lord stands up to judge His people. He opens the indictment against the elders and leaders; it is you who have ruined My vineyard. You have crushed My people and oppressed the poor.
You women of Zion; I will take away your finery, instead of coifed hair, you will be bald.
Your men will fall by the sword of the Lord, as in battle. Judah’s defences are stripped
bare, laid flat to the ground.
[Isaiah 22:2 & 8…your slain did not fall by the sword, as in battle….and the mainstays of Judah’s defences are removed.]

Isaiah 4:1-2 On that Day, seven women will ask one man for help and support.
On that Day, the sprouts that the Lord has grown will become glorious in their beauty and the Land will be fruitful, the pride of the survivors in the Land.
Amos 9:13-15
[in other trans. “sprouts or plant’ is rendered ‘Branch’ and assumed to refer to Jesus, but that is wrong and the “sprouts’’, nurtured by the Lord are His faithful Christian people, as is clear from the context.]

Isaiah 4:3-6 Those who remain in Jerusalem, whose survival was decreed, will be called holy. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 29:1-8, Zechariah 13:8-9, Romans 9:27
When the Lord washes away the filth of Jerusalem by a spirit of judgement burning like fire, He will create a cloud by day and a flame by night over Mt Zion, to be a covering for shade and shelter. [In the same way as for ancient Israel]

Isaiah 10:17-23 The Light of Israel will become a fire, their Holy One, a flame: that in a single day will burn up and consume His enemies. Malachi 4:1&3, 2 Peter 3:7
The forests and pastures will be destroyed, only a few trees will remain. Joel 1:19-20
On that Day, the remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob [all 12 tribes] will set their allegiance solely on the Lord.

A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob, will return to God, their strength.

Israel, though you are as the sands of the sea – only a remnant will return. The Lord will carry out the destruction decreed upon all of the Holy Land.
Reference, REB, NIV, KJV, some verses condensed.

Judah will be judged and the entire Middle East region will be virtually depopulated by a terrible fire from the sun and only a holy remnant will be saved. I am convinced that this Bible passage tells of events soon to happen, the coming Day of judgement onto all the world and His people; a remnant of Jacob [from all 12 tribes, plus those grafted in by reason of righteousness] going to live in all of the Promised Land, before the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 40 to 48, Rev. 7.
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Story, had a dream I died and went to hell

I dream of three men chasing or stalking me. They look like men but are not. Three is the number of God, and to mock Him, Satan uses it too.
Sounds like a "heads up". No fear. Rebuke in Jesus name and the blood of Jesus over you.

Can you elaborate more on the 3s. Very interested.
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Like every leaf that trembles, like every grain of sand.

For those interested in Calvinist beliefs I offer the following two links


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Silence In Heaven For Half An Hour

Marking this post for a revisit on 1/1/32 to see where you move the goalposts this time. I must say it is impressive how you never tire of moving the goalposts after each failed prediction.
Well, I don't worry, as everything will be changed when the Sixth Seal; Day of fiery wrath strikes.

The truth is: the Seventh Seal is simply a time gap of about 20 earth years, which I see as extending past the glorious Return.

The Lord is not slow in the fulfilment of His plans.
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Pope captures hard truth: American Catholics destined to be ‘politically homeless’

BWAP. Good for you and thanks for sharing that. I fully expect to be fired at some point for not participating in the insanity of using multiple pronouns.
Stand your ground. You do not have to been mean or cause a scene. Just call them by their proper name and refuse pronouns. I was assigned to help remove the breasts of 19yr old girl and I refused.
They accommodated me but were not happy.

They were probably setting me up to fire me for my beliefs, so they assigned me to assist with a gall bladder in a woman that wanted to be called a man’s name. Probably to see what I would do.
I am a physician, and everyone deserves health care regardless of other issues. That is human dignity and their right as created in the image of God. I would not refuse to help.
When taking to her, I used her requested name but did not communicate so as to use pronouns.
When giving report, I said she without thinking about it. I was not corrected and did not apologize. My brain was just not thinking he, when she had full breasts and only a hint of a beard. I gave her anethesia just as I would for anyone else and had no problem
The question then becomes, if I say everyone deserves healthcare regardless of who they are, how do I justify refusing to assist in abortions, sterilizations and transgender surgery? Are not those procedures “healthcare”?

I thought about it, and it came to me, they certainly are not. Healthcare enhances the health of the patient without question, or at least it is intended to enhance health.

Abortion ends the life of a human being, tubal ligation and vasectomies mutilate a healthy body for pure pleasure. Transgender surgery is also a mutilation of a healthy body.

They are called healthcare because the advocates “believe” it will make their life better. Others disagree. Wait a minute, what do we do with other’s beliefs?
The US constitution says that Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion. By calling these procedures “healthcare”, the government is effectively establishing a religion and commanding universal adherence. That is unconstitutional.! These procedures are religious rituals designed to give one faith preference over another. The US constitution says that we cannot do that, but we are being duped into doing just that.
What does that mean? Well I have standing because I was prevented from practicing my profession because I declined to participate in another religion. If I could find a lawyer willing to take the case to the Supreme Court, I would argue that these procedures be removed from all institutions which receive federal funding, based on the establishment clause

We have freedom of religion, so these religious procedures should be taken out of hospitals and placed in religious settings

All these states are passing these laws of their constitutional right to abortion. I say ok, do that, but it is illegal for you to use federal funds to do it or even state funds, or allow them to be performed in secular institutions. Go to your own house of worship to perform your religious rituals and pay for them yourselves

Insurance cannot be required to cover abortion or birth control. Those that want it will have to get a religious policy, or would you like your insurance money to go to my parish, so I may continue to receive the Eucharist and Penance?
Oh you object? Now you know how I feel


Far fetched? Maybe, but the argument is sound. These procedures are healthcare only because people believe they are healthcare. That makes them religious rituals and not constitutional for the government to establish them and demand universal obedience

This will be my testimony in federal court if asked on the stand
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Radicals on Both Sides of Political Divide See Violence as Justified.

Amid Trump’s Incendiary Rhetoric, Radicals on Both Sides of Political Divide See Violence as Justified​

  • Trump has used more incendiary language than Democrats, but he is the one who has been targeted.
  • Polls show that most voters fear political violence if their own candidate wins in November and the other side refuses to accept the result.
Robert A. Pape, a political scientist who studies political violence, has little doubt that former President Trump has made more incendiary comments than Vice President Kamala Harris.

The problem, however, is what his research tells him: Both sides of the political spectrum have radical elements that see violence as justified if it means stopping Trump from gaining power (10% of adults) or making sure Trump returns to the White House (7%).

But the lines Republicans are drawing for Democrats is confounding at times because they include criticizing Democrats for quoting Trump’s own words. Scott Jennings, a Trump supporter who regularly appears on CNN, went after Harris on Monday.

“I mean, she repeats it herself. ‘Trump will be a dictator on Day 1,’” Jennings said. “I mean, this country fights dictators.”

The problem? Trump, who has repeatedly threatened retribution against political opponents if elected, was asked in a December interview in Iowa by Fox News host Sean Hannity whether he would abuse his power if he goes back to the White House.

“Except for Day One...,” Trump said. “We’re closing the border and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”

Ari Fleischer, a former press secretary to President George W. Bush, made a similar critique in an L.A. Times interview Tuesday, calling out Harris for repeating Trump’s 2022 plea for “termination” of parts of the Constitution to put him back in office. Fleischer did not appear to realize Harris was quoting Trump when she made those remarks. But when pressed, he said Harris needed to use more context to avoid raising tensions.

What saves, in my opinion

-It is when faith is defined as obeying. An example that is often used, is the. If you do not sit in the chair, then you do not really believe it will support you and not collapse.​

There is no test to as whether a person has believed in Jesus.
One test of saving faith is obedience in one's life after salvation by faith only.

Obedience does not prove true faith, but no obedience proves no true faith.
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