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Christians respond to tech CEO’s exposure for apparent adultery at Coldplay concert: ‘A sobering reminder’

Most of these comments have a certain glee to them, which is gross. Here's some:

“Notice how happy they are in their sin — all smiles and hugs — until they realized their sin had been exposed. They knew inherently that they were wrong. No one needed to tell them, their own conscience having already convicted them."

“This is a huge, huge moment, and he'll never live it down,”

“A sobering reminder that someday we'll stand before God, and all our secret sins will be exposed just like this,”


It's a heartbreaking situation for these families, and it's very public, but by all means, let's have Christians pile on their two cents.
How dare people publicly shame these two for their infidelity? Do you think their actions were deserving of hugs and consolation?
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Should Christians Condemn People?

I feel like the discussion is bouncing back & forth between different sinful situations. Saying that that someone who just murdered someone isn’t saved and saying that murderers can’t be saved are not the same thing. One is referring to their current state and the other is referring to their potential state.
I agree from our temporal point of view, but from God's eternal point of view, potential is already realized.
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the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

Does Science find out things by mistake, or are they looking to prove what they think?

Both can happen. They are not mutually exclusive and impossible.

What's impossible is getting you to cite anything written in the last half century or even this century.
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the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

The so-called metal "Ages" happened at different times in different places. The Druids may have been spoken of by that name during the time of the Roman Empire, but that doesn't mean they "originated" in that time.

If anything, the late-coming Celtic-speaking people are earlier "practitioners of cultural appropriation".

"Bertrand and Reinach both maintain the pre-Celtic origin of Druidism."
--Wright, Druidism the Ancient Faith of Britain

"so we must pass on to the non-Celtic natives, who had another religion, namely, druidism, which may be surmised to have had its origin among them."--Rhys, Celtic Britain, p.69

"Professor Rhys goes so far as to refer Druidism to the Silurian race, because Caesar mentions Britain as the birthplace of that cultus, and it is of a character which he considers non-Aryan. It is almost certain that second-sight and other ecstatic moods must be referred to the pre-Celtic races."--MacBain, Celtic Mythology and Religion

"The monuments we call Druidical, must be appropriated, exclusively, to the Aborigines of the midland, and western divisions. They are found in such corners, and fastnesses, as have, in all ages, and countries, been the last retreat of the conquered, and the last that are occupied by the victorious."--Davies, Celtic Researches

"The Celtic invaders of Britain did not create Druidism, and, neolithic or not, it was at all events pre-Celtic."--Holmes, Caesar's Conquest

Therefore, who are the "non-Celtic natives" of Britain?

"Strabo reports of Posidonius ... 'The Cassiterides are ten in number, and lie near each other in the ocean, towards the north from the haven of the Artabri: one of them is desert, but the others are inhabited by men in black cloaks, clad in tunics reaching to the feet, and girt about the breast; walking with staves, and bearded like goats. They subsist by their cattle, leading for the most part a wandering life. And having metals of tin and lead, these and skins they barter with the merchants for earthenware and salt, and brazen vessels.' ...
Solinus ... states that 'a stormy channel separates the coast which the Damnonii occupy from the island Silura, whose inhabitants preserve the ancient manners, reject money, barter merchandise, value what they require by exchange rather than by price, worship the gods, and both men and women profess a knowledge of the future.'"
--Skene, Celtic Scotland,v1

"The wide extension of the Ligues westward is in agreement with the language of Eratosthenes. According to Strabo (2. i. 40, p. 92) this old geographer taught that there were three forelands projecting from the north—the Peloponnesian, the Italian, and the Ligurian—between the first and second of which lay the Adriatic, and between the second and third the Tyrrhenian Sea. When we remember the high reputation and the real merits of Eratosthenes, it is astonishing how little attention has been drawn to the fact that he calls the Spanish peninsula the Ligurian."
--Guest, Origines Celtae

"The swarthy complexion and curled hair of the Silures, together with their situation opposite to Spain, render it probable that a colony of the ancient Iberi possessed themselves of that territory."
--Tacitus, Agricola

These are the indigenous people of Western Europe who had the stone circles and nemetons, and the Druids. The Celtic language evolved from the Ligurian, and IMO, is proven by Whatmough and Sims-Williams.

Why do you refuse to use any book written in the last half century?
Celtic Researchs is from 1804. Why is that more trustworthy to you than anything written in the 1990s or the 2000s?
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Can You Determine the Will of God for Specific Events in Your Life?

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"Some do say they hear the trivial. Perhaps so, sometimes God may just want to fellowship with you"

By "hear" do you mean someone can literally hear God saying private things to them in their ear?
Ive never heard an audible voice. Most believe that is extremely rare. Most guidance comes from within. Some teach it is the Holy Spirit revealing things to our human (born again) spirit. For me it occurs usually when i am closest to God. During worship or just listening for God in silence. Revelation too comes when one is reading the word. God talks in many ways such as visions, words from others and even our circumstances.
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Barack Obama suggests men need gay friends to learn 'empathy and kindness'

You strive? Why don't you turn your sins over to God and let God change you? Trust God, not yourself
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I understand what the Church teaches but the Church knowingly allows those in sin partake of the Eucharist.

No repentance?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
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Barack Obama suggests men need gay friends to learn 'empathy and kindness'

We go to confession and make amends and strive to never do it again no matter what it is.
You strive? Why don't you turn your sins over to God and let God change you? Trust God, not yourself
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You cannot take communion in an active state of mortal sin. I fail to see why you do not understand this.
I understand what the Church teaches but the Church knowingly allows those in sin partake of the Eucharist.
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The 2 great commandments and self hatred

There is an appropriate kind of self-love, where I take care of myself and my needs; and there is an inappropriate kind of self-love--namely vanity and all things related to it.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" is about recognizing that the same things you want for yourself are also supposed to be for others; so that we regard others with the same care and concern as we have for ourselves. So rather than envy, we rejoice in our neighbor's good even as we would rejoice in our own good; the good that we would wish for ourselves we wish for our neighbor. I need food, so does my neighbor. I need water, so does my neighbor. I need shelter, a home, clothes, safety, security, and so does my neighbor.

Then there is also this: Christ desire for His Church is to be the kind of community where we are freely giving to one another, building each other up, encouraging one another, so that where in all my deficiencies are made up for in my brothers and sisters. I am not a lone island of humanity; but a member of a holy village, the Christian Church, and the village lives together. This is the way we see things presented time and again throughout the New Testament about how the Church is supposed to be.

The modern West, especially America I'd argue, has largely adopted a hyper-individualistic ethos--each individual is supposed to be entirely self-sufficient, and when they aren't they become a problem, treated as parasitic. And the internet has exasperated this. We are more disconnected from our neighbors more than ever. We prize vanity and selfishness, we praise the supposedly self-made man and present the success of wealth accumulation and the autonomy (even when it comes at the expense of the least of these) as the virtue to aspire to. But Christ calls us to step down from ourselves, to inhabit our neighbor, to be for other people; not ignoring our need, but recognizing the mutual need of all--if I would feed myself, I should feed my neighbor as well, or otherwise do what I am able to see my neighbor well fed. And this transforms us, it conforms us to being the sort of people who imitate God, who look more like Jesus. And if we are living as we ought, if we have the kind of communion and community that Jesus and His Apostles preached then we can depend on one another, because our affections are mutual, because our desires are no longer self-centered, but other-centered; and even when I lack, my brother or sister supplies; even as when my brother or sister lacks, I supply. So that there is always an abundance that flows from communion and love within the Church.

Imagine, for a moment, a church that actually looks like Jesus in a neighborhood of the poor, homeless, and hungry; where rather than the false virtue of self-sufficiency, we lived out the virtues of charity. So that the hungry mouths of all are fed, because of the abundance which God has blessed us with.

The hoarders of wealth deny their neighbor. This has been the teaching of the Church since the beginning; but as we have forsaken biblical and godly Christian virtues and values, we have replaced them with the virtue of "self". And our societies starve, not only of material good, but also starve of opportunity, starve for freedom, starve for dignity and compassion.

-CryptoLutheran
It always seems like the give give give charity push is always put on people who are barely scraping by.

Like I always feel pressured to give when I'm disabled and already in debt I'll never be able to pay off.
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Give Him Your All

Love not the world, but love your Lord,
And follow Him in one accord,
Walk in His ways, do what He says,
Give Him your life, in Him invest.

Now do His will, and don’t sit still,
Surrender all, all to His will,
Go where He leads, and speak His words
To all who’re living so absurd.

For Jesus died, he died for all,
That we would on our Savior call,
Repent of sin, obey our Lord,
Now walk with Him in one accord.

Believe in Him, die to your sins,
Commit your life to live for Him,
Submit your all to Him as King,
And praise Him, praise Him, when you sing.

For faith in Christ, not what we say,
But how we live for Him each day,
Denying self, self-sacrifice,
Give all to Him, to be precise.

No longer walking in our sins,
No longer living where we’d been,
For Jesus died to set us free,
So we’d now live in victory.

An Original Work / July 20, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Should Christians Condemn People?

"If I see you murder someone I can draw a logical conclusion."

So your logical conclusion is that murderers can't be saved. Really? God refuses to forgive murderers? What is the only unforgivable sin? If someone commits murder, is it possible to repent of that sin? But it'd be in vain because that person already sealed their fate, right?
I feel like the discussion is bouncing back & forth between different sinful situations. Saying that that someone who just murdered someone isn’t saved and saying that murderers can’t be saved are not the same thing. One is referring to their current state and the other is referring to their potential state.
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By the Law Is the Knowledge of Sin

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Ro 3:19–20)​

These two sentences are pretty easy to understand. The first sentence says that the law shuts every person's mouth and causes them to understand they are guilty of sin before God. For these reasons, the second sentence says that God will not declare anyone righteous on the basis of their obedience to the law, and everyone understands this because the law teaches people they are sinners.

Do these verses speak the truth? Does everyone who sees/hears/knows the law understand they are sinners and that God will not declare them righteous on the basis of their obedience to the law? Yes. It is not phyiscally possible for a person to gaze into the law and go away deceived into thinking he is right with God because of his obedience to the law.

Why then, do we see so many people speaking the opposite? The most obvious plausible answer is that they know it but are supressing the truth. There may be other answers, but I can't think of any.
What it really means is that a man cannot become just by mere reliance on or observance of the Law. There’s only one way to do that: “Apart from Me you can do nothing”, John 15:5 This is why the central theme of the new covenant is reconciliation and union with God, the source and wellspring of true goodness, of the love that fulfills the Law to put it best. God, IOW, must put His law in our minds and write it on our hearts, Jer 31:33. Faith is a turning to that God. The last thing that the gospel proclaims is some sort of reprieve from the necessity of being righteous, but is, in fact, the true means to that very righteousness. Augustine had this to say in “On the Spirit and the Letter”:

"The law was given that grace might be sought; and grace was given that the law might be fulfilled." (De Spiritu et Littera)

By that he means that the law is ultimately meant to cause dejection, disappointment in ourselves, at our inability to overcome sin and be holy, and so convict us of that sin as you pointed out. This is what it did for me, in fact, and that, in turn, made me open to grace, to the life of God, to Christ who promises to send the Holy Spirit who can accomplish in me what I could never accomplish on my own, apart from Him. That’s what man needs to know for himself-that Adam was wrong in effectively dismissing his need for God. The new covenant is all about restoring man's vital communion with God, a relationship that all men were made for.

We're dead to the condemnation of the law because we can now meet its righteous requirements, apart from the law, Rom 3:21-22, Rom 8:1-4
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the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

The place of the citation seems to be the sticking point, not the quotation itself. Interesting.

Where did I say I was thinking of publishing? In fact, since thinking "inside the box" is what generally gets published...
And why the phrase "temerity to publish"? Would the boxed-up people arrive with pitchforks?

The source of the citation has as much bearing on the citation as the citation itself does.

And your comment in post #135:
Unlike the book-writers, I don't need to seek approval to get published. Therefore, I don't have to believe what a gang of scholars have to say
Comes across as a desire from you to want to publish a book on the subject.

Which is why I made post #138:
In that respect, write all your stuff into a book and publish it. Stop peeing and get off the pot, if you think this stuff is actually worth publishing. I'll wait for the reviews to come in though since I'm glad I'm getting this stuff for free on here.
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Should Christians Condemn People?

What is the message Christians should send?
I think this should answer that question.

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
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They will be Mine

They shall be My people:
Jeremiah 31:31-33 The days are coming when I shall make a New Covenant with Israel and Judah, ….this is the Covenant I will make with the Israelites in the latter days: I shall fix My Laws in their hearts and I will be their God and they will be My people.
The Reformers of the Church generally believed and taught that the Church was Israel. Therefore; all Church members were Israelites by faith.

However they didn’t make it clear who exactly the ‘church’ was and to allow anyone who wanted membership, some only after an intensive Bible course, some after a Baptism and some just if they made a donation, has led to much abuse and error within the established Church.

The Jewish people think they have the ancestral right to be God’s people and many today support them in this belief. It is an immutable tenet of the ‘rapture to heaven’ theory, where the Church goes to heaven, while the Jews face tribulation on earth.
This theory isn’t Biblical and contradicts God’s Plans for His faithful people; ALL those who have freely chosen to believe in Him and keep His Laws now; Jew and Gentile, people from every race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9

John the Baptist told the Jews; God can raise up children for Abraham from these very stones. Matthew 3:9 and Paul said: A person is not a Jew, [Israelite] who is one outwardly, [ethnic descent] but only inwardly. [by the Spirit] Romans 11:13-24
Paul goes on to say: The Jews were cut off, because of unbelief….and Gentiles who are not Israelites by descent, are grafted in to the Olive Tree by belief in Jesus.
Only born again believers, circumcised in their hearts, confessing faith, with true repentance, like the Ethiopian eunuch, should become Church members, by full immersion Baptism as he and Jesus were. A public declaration of their commitment.

So; the established Churches [I capitalize Churches as they are known entities- bricks and mortar] cannot claim to be the congregation [ecclesia] of God. It is only every individual who is: Crucified with Jesus and the life they now live is not their life, but that of Jesus who lives within them…., Galatians 2:20, who are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16
They are people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 7:9 All the faithful Christ following people, to whom the Promises and Blessings of God come to and those who will finally fulfil God’s desire for a nation, living in ALL of the Holy Land, divided into 12 groups; they will produce the fruit of being His witnesses and the Light for the nations. Matthew 21:43, Matthew 5:14, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 49:8

When the letters to the seven Church types of Revelation 2:1-29 and Revelation 3:1-22 are read and understood, it will be seen that Jesus rewards the victorious or the overcomers, out of each of those Churches . This proves how not all who belong to a Church or those who think their ethnicity will save them, will be saved on the Day the Lord will judge and punish the nations. Isaiah 66:15-17....many will be slain by Him....
Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 24:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17
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Barack Obama suggests men need gay friends to learn 'empathy and kindness'

Of course they are but it does not mean we look away and ignore when they are practicing their homosexuality in relationships. Thats the thing, people misuse the judge not verse and ignore the rest and try to call it good.
The same is with all that sin, which is everyone in the pews. We don't treat LGBTQ any different than other sinners or we are in sin.
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The Hispanic Vote

It's amazing to me how some talk about illegal immigration. Yes, they are breaking the law. But how we treat those found guilty of breaking the law matters a lot. If we do not treat them in a humane way, regardless of their crime, we undercut the very justice we think we're upholding. And for Christians to support unjust treatment of lawbreakers is wild. It's like some alternative universe where goodness is evil and evil is good. I honestly don't understand the thought process.
“I want you to have compassion, not offer sacrifices.”
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The Hispanic Vote

not everyone who came over here illegally has done anyting like that though. There ae millons here that otherwise have no record ( and frankly even those who do deserve a certain level of human respect and to be treated like a human because they are, but most here ilegally have done NOTHING like discribed above and so do not need to be treated as such.
If we really wanted to reduce gang violence, and sex and drug trafficking it would make more sense to start by going after the largest demographic first which would be American citizens. But that’s not the goal of Trump’s administration. Their focus is primarily aimed towards immigrants, not criminals in general.
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