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Mercy Shown · Oct 28, 2025

Servus said:
A former SDA pastor told me there's inconsistency in that regard. It mainly seems to be about going to church on Saturday instead of Sunday, and having Saturday as a day off from your job. Those two are a must.

Unless someone can justify working on Saturday, they are expected to refrain from labor. If they are a police officer, hospital staff member, or even a janitor in a necessary role, the work is considered permissible. As long as they can show their job is essential, they are not seen as violating the Sabbath. In practice, very few churches take disciplinary action against those who break the Sabbath unless the behavior is blatant or the person is a church leader.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Baseless accusations of it toward the Democratic party is not okay.

per AI
New York City politician Zohran Mamdani has explicitly denied being a communist, and is more accurately described as a democratic socialist.

Just because Trump throws out insults at others and makes claims, it doesn't mean those claims or insults are true. Nor does it mean that those supporting Momdami are what Trump claims.

Studyman · Oct 28, 2025

Hentenza said:
Brother, all I did was post the verses that you said were not in scripture. I provided no comment. Do with them as you will.

I said the Bible doesn't teach a man can't have a fire in his home or take a walk on God's Sabbath. Your 2 verses don't teach that, unless you separate them from the rest of the Bible

Dikaioumenoi · Oct 28, 2025

d taylor said:
The Bible is clear a person does not have in them a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” (regeneration) and then they take a drink of whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. (belief in Jesus)

Why do those who take a drink, do so? Do they have the natural capacity apart from saving grace?

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Neither is Communist, if you ask an actual communist. I actually know people who are communists, and they identify as such.

Right. I don’t take any offense to the term. It’s mostly right wing silliness that has made people deathly afraid of the dreaded C word.

Mercy Shown · Oct 28, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
There are 22 million SDA’s, not everyone who says they are SDA’s are. We will not be judged based on what others (preceivied) do or don’t do. We all stand before Christ based on what we do 2 Cor5:10. I do not believe He is going to cut anyone slack because one person didn’t obey therefore, it relieves our moral obligation. It’s didn’t work out that way in the days of Noah and He told us it would be similar to His Second Coming. Mat 24:37-39

Have you made it to perfection yet? Anything less is damnation. I don't think there is such a thing as passing by anything less. We must not just be similar, we must be perfect even as the father in heaven is perfect. If you have screwed up you have failed already.

Hentenza · Oct 28, 2025

Studyman said:
In the very beginning of the Holy Scriptures, God, in His eternal Mercy, showed us how the deceiver deceives His people.

1. He professes to know God.

2. He quotes "some" of God's Word to promote the Philosophy that couldn't stand if more of God's Word was considered.

He said, "And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And sure enough, in Gen. 2: 15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "saying", Of every tree of the garden "thou mayest freely eat":

Now if a person carefully selected this one verse, and used it to promote a teaching that couldn't stand if more of the Words of God were considered, they could and have been deceived in this way.

This has been repeated over and over and over through out the entire Bible, and Jesus even pointed it out about the mainstream preachers of HIS Time.

So because even a nobody like me has studied the Scriptures, I know that these verses you separated from the entire bible, to promote the teaching that God's Sabbath Commandment forbids a person to light a lamp, or start a fire on a cold day, or take a walk in fellowship with God on His Holy sabbaths and pick a blackberry is not inline with God's Teaching, in my view, even though there are "Many" who come in Christ's Name that promote just that. I think that if you were to study yourself with the purpose of SEEKING God's Truth regarding the Sabbath, you would find as I did, that God's Sabbath has a purpose, but it isn't to freeze your family or lock them up in tent or house, or starve them.

My hope is that you might do the study.

Brother, all I did was post the verses that you said were not in scripture. I provided no comment. Do with them as you will.

Landon Caeli · Oct 28, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Why? King isn’t automatically a bad thing. I doubt Charles takes any offense to the title. We just don’t want any kings here.

Neither is Communist, if you ask an actual communist. I actually know people who are communists, and they identify as such.

eclipsenow · Oct 28, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
I don’t get how some think billionaires and corporations buying favor with the president is better than splitting the cost of the renovations across 150 million taxpayers.

I think Elon helped pay to elect the guy - he should pay for the "Wannabe a Russian Dictator Ballroom" as a bill for getting to play DOGE master for a few months.

gzt · Oct 28, 2025

I don't think you can distinguish purely by orthography, Philokalia and Philocalia are both trying to represent the same Greek word.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

You already had it.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I think calling Trump a King should be included in that. It's an unpleasant mockery of the president.

You can take it to support. 7-8 million + are involved in that protest which will be repeated.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I think calling Trump a King should be included in that.

Why? King isn’t automatically a bad thing. I doubt Charles takes any offense to the title. We just don’t want any kings here.

Landon Caeli · Oct 28, 2025

FreeinChrist said:
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It includes: 'Do not call either political party in the US or members thereof Fascist, or Socialist*, or Marxist or Communist. '

I think calling Trump a King should be edited into the list then. It's an unpleasant label of the president.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

FreeinChrist said:
QFT

There is no path for Trump to be president if he is the VP. He is not eligible to be the VP.

Yeah and can you even imagine Trump being second in command to anyone? He wouldn’t allow it for one second.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Vambram said:
Representative Greene is incorrect.

Of course. No Republican is to blame for the dysfunction of Congress even though both houses are currently run by republicans and we have a republican president who hails himself as a great deal maker who can get things done.

The only problem is the American people don’t believe this and are blaming the party in charge of our federal government and that’s what MTG is trying to get across but anyone daring to speak against the GOP narrative that this is solely and entirely the fault of the democrats must obviously be incorrect.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Michie said:
Well we read a lot of sad things around here from both sides of the aisle.

I'll take it to pm.

.Mikha'el. · Oct 28, 2025

Even if the proposed amendment gets through Congress, there's no way enough states possibly get onside in time enough to allow him to run again. It's a moot point.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
The 12th Amendment is the one that set up the current electoral college with separate EC votes for Pres and VP. Prior to that the VP was the runner up in the "vote for two" tally of the votes of the electors for president. Since in the old system the VP was the presidential "runner-up" all valid votes would have to be cast for *president*. With this amendment, they kept it explicit that the VP must be eligible to be elected president. The "VP trick" is facially invalid. Donald Trump is ineligible to be VP.

QFT

There is no path for Trump to be president if he is the VP. He is not eligible to be the VP.

Landon Caeli · Oct 28, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Oh we’re listening to Bill Gates now?

Yeah! I actually read stuff sometimes, even if it's not coming from Fox news.

FreeinChrist · Oct 28, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
...But Government-owned grocery stores are a defining feature of Communism.

But with a Monarchy, such as with having a King Trump, we would still function economically, as is.

A defining feature of Communism is ownership and control of all businesses.
I contend that oil subsidies are questionable. So is Trump's insistence that Intel give the government a 10% stake.

d taylor · Oct 28, 2025

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I would, but i would also keep the time that the clocks will soon change to.

Studyman · Oct 28, 2025

Hentenza said:
Exodus 35:3

Exodus 16:29

In the very beginning of the Holy Scriptures, God, in His eternal Mercy, showed us how the deceiver deceives His people.

1. He professes to know God.

2. He quotes "some" of God's Word to promote the Philosophy that couldn't stand if more of God's Word was considered.

He said, "And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And sure enough, in Gen. 2: 15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "saying", Of every tree of the garden "thou mayest freely eat":

Now if a person carefully selected this one verse, and used it to promote a teaching that couldn't stand if more of the Words of God were considered, they could and have been deceived in this way.

This has been repeated over and over and over through out the entire Bible, and Jesus even pointed it out about the mainstream preachers of HIS Time.

So because even a nobody like me has studied the Scriptures, I know that these verses you separated from the entire bible, to promote the teaching that God's Sabbath Commandment forbids a person to light a lamp, or start a fire on a cold day, or take a walk in fellowship with God on His Holy sabbaths and pick a blackberry is not inline with God's Teaching, in my view, even though there are "Many" who come in Christ's Name that promote just that. I think that if you were to study yourself with the purpose of SEEKING God's Truth regarding the Sabbath, you would find as I did, that God's Sabbath has a purpose, but it isn't to freeze your family or lock them up in tent or house, or starve them.

My hope is that you might do the study.

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