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Freth · Sep 13, 2025

Rather than pointing to the person teaching the false doctrine, wouldn't it be better to point out the false doctrine itself so that people can make informed decisions? Pointing fingers at people isn't the answer.

There will be a time when God's people are called out of Babylon. People will be leaving churches because of false doctrine.

Godcrazy · Sep 13, 2025

Fervent said:
Probably going to get some flack for this, but in addition to the "usual suspects" of TV evangelists I find a lot of what Paul Washer teaches to be contrary to what I find in Scripture. Though I would stop short of accusing him, or any others, of being a "false teacher" as he and they are someone else's servants.

I don`t even know who he is. But now I don`t own a tv either lol But sure are many suspects.

Chesterton · Sep 13, 2025

Bradskii said:
I don't get that. What has your political views and your religious beliefs have to do with considering your gender?

That's what I'm waiting for Joseph to answer. But I won't be holding my breath.

ralliann · Sep 13, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Ironically, he was hated by people even more extremely right-wing than he was. And now it appears that one of them killed him.

More untruth....

Chesterton · Sep 13, 2025

Freth said:
Something I think that is flying over some heads...

If Charlie was full of hate, why would he spend time out of his day to go and debate with people he hated? He didn't yell at them. He calmly reasoned with them. Why risk his life to bring a message to people if he hates them? Aren't there more productive ways to hate people?

He started a grass roots organization to help young people. Is Turning Point hateful too? If so, where is the hate?

Now let's contrast the supposed hate Charlie had for others with the hate that caused a young man to decide the answer was to shoot Charlie.

See the difference? If not, God help you.

Yes, he was always fair. Anyone could step up to the mic and talk with him, and no matter how weird, stupid or hateful their ideas were, he was always polite and civil with them.

JosephZ · Sep 13, 2025

BPPLEE said:
First you throw shade on the idea that the shooter's room mate was trans now you're using it to blame Kirk for his own murder.
Heads I win, tails you lose

That's not what I'm doing at all. I still don't know whether or not the shooter's roommate is transgender, and neither does anyone else. You will notice that I said in the first post: "I'm not so sure that's true." and "I’m not saying what they’re saying in those articles can’t be true, but I don’t trust them on their own. Until there's confirmation, I would take claims like this with a huge grain of salt." And then I said in the next post, "if true."

Now if it does turn out to be true that the shooter was in a relationship with a transgender person, then it would be natural to conclude that it was something Charlie Kirk said that made him angry enough to kill him.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 13, 2025

Bradskii said:
There are a boat load of examples that anyone could give about any variation of political position you'd like to consider where something was done or said that was wrong. But you chose not to. Your post was a plaintive cri de coeur from the right. 'Look what they do to us!' Oh, woe is you...

Again, it was perfect example of the one sided political partisanship that is the actual problem that you have that was the cause of this particular death. When you insist on an 'us v them' situation and the rhetoric is cranked up to 11 on both sides then you will get people at each extreme deciding that 'something needs to be done'.

You've seen the message from the forum when you logged on earlier. Someone had the good sense to warn everyone about it. That it actually needed to be said, to be spelled out, and in a Christian forum, should give you pause for thought.

So basically the only example is that conservatives say things that liberals think are mean. Are you suggesting that Trump's mean tweets killed Charlie Kirk? And yes, this is a culture war, and Kirk's death has done more for his cause than anything else he has done. This an us vs them situation.

Bradskii · Sep 13, 2025

Freth said:
Something I think that is flying over some heads...

If Charlie was full of hate, why would he spend time out of his day to go and debate with people he hated?

To advertise his views, of course. To show people who supported his views how he could stick it to the opposition. Did I really need to point that out?

Clare73 · Sep 13, 2025

RandyPNW said:
False. Rom 11:23 includes in its context the following...

The context is not the verse itself under discussion.

RandyPNW said:
Rom 11.11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

And that is an incorrect translation of the Greek for the sake of one's theology.

The Greek is "fullness," it is not "full inclusion."
Their "fullness" is all that God has ordained to come in, which is not necessarily all.
Their "full inclusion" is necessarily all.

RandyPNW said:
This is the "When." The full inclusion of the People of Israel will be after a temporary loss and after a temporary gain by the Gentile nations. In other words, it will be the same as Jesus said in his Olivet Discourse....
Luke 21.24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
We get another "When" here....
Rom 11.25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved.

That is all true Israel will be saved, apostate Israel for the last 2,000 years who reject the Messiah is not saved.

d taylor · Sep 13, 2025

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I was taught the globe lie back in the 1970's with this moon landing deception. No school (in America) was going to teach a flat stationary earth.

All teachers were doing is teaching what they have been told to teach from science books.

Bradskii · Sep 13, 2025

Chesterton said:
Okay. So you distinguished between the transgender "community" and the Left. Are they separate? Is there a large community of conservative Christian trans folk that I'm unaware of?

I don't get that. What has your political views and your religious beliefs have to do with considering your gender?

HARK! · Sep 13, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
That is what the Biden administration did for years. Only they were sent to their homes in the United States.

It's OK to make US citizens live with terrorists and compete with the lawless in the job market, and get fleeced for their tax dollars to put illegals up in hotels, while our veterans live on the streets, and give away our SS funds to people who don't deserve it, while our elderly live in poverty....

...so long as the Democrats can cling to their diminishing power, by gaining seats, by throwing the census.

Bradskii · Sep 13, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Care to provide an example? Because I highly suspect January 6th had nothing to do with the shooter's motives for killing Kirk.

There are a boat load of examples that anyone could give about any variation of political position you'd like to consider where something was done or said that was wrong. But you chose not to. Your post was a plaintive cri de coeur from the right. 'Look what they do to us!' Oh, woe is you...

Again, it was perfect example of the one sided political partisanship that is the actual problem that you have that was the cause of this particular death. When you insist on an 'us v them' situation and the rhetoric is cranked up to 11 on both sides then you will get people at each extreme deciding that 'something needs to be done'.

You've seen the message from the forum when you logged on earlier. Someone had the good sense to warn everyone about it. That it actually needed to be said, to be spelled out, and in a Christian forum, should give you pause for thought.

Hentenza · Sep 13, 2025

rambot said:
That's my point.

Good leadership is able to find or provide that. Good leadership doesnt abandon it.

Good leadership

It reminds me of the last 50 years of the western Roman Empire. Leadership was lacking. Empire imploded. History repeats itself.

Fervent · Sep 13, 2025

Probably going to get some flack for this, but in addition to the "usual suspects" of TV evangelists I find a lot of what Paul Washer teaches to be contrary to what I find in Scripture. Though I would stop short of accusing him, or any others, of being a "false teacher" as he and they are someone else's servants.

RileyG · Sep 13, 2025

Akita Suggagaki said:
What about the others still in the nursing home? It seems to me that humility and obedience and solidarity with the other “old people” would be a more faithful path.

Their community is their family. They are also required to pray the divine office and go to mass daily etc. it’s their way of life, pretty much.

ralliann · Sep 13, 2025

timothyu said:
So you are saying any one of the brothers tribes could be calling themselves Jews. Why?

I said if they do not know tribal identities. They would not know specifically the tribe of Judah. That was the point.

RileyG · Sep 13, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Defiant nuns flee Austrian care home for their abandoned convent in the Alps

Sisters Bernadette, Regina and Rita needed a locksmith to get back into their convent, defying Church leaders.

www.bbc.com

The nuns say they are determined to stay.

"Before I die in that old people's home, I would rather go to a meadow and enter eternity that way," said Sister Bernadette.
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Yay, sisters!

I know there are monasteries that have their own nursing homes located on site, so the nuns and monks can die in their community when time comes. That personally makes sense to me.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 13, 2025

Bradskii said:
Drug dealer? Just send him home.
Rapist? Just send him home.
People smuggler? Just send him home.

That is what the Biden administration did for years. Only they were sent to their homes in the United States.

Freth · Sep 13, 2025

Something I think that is flying over some heads...

If Charlie was full of hate, why would he spend time out of his day to go and debate with people he hated? He didn't yell at them. He calmly reasoned with them. Why risk his life to bring a message to people if he hates them? Aren't there more productive ways to hate people?

He started a grass roots organization to help young people. Is Turning Point hateful too? If so, where is the hate?

Now let's contrast the supposed hate Charlie had for others with the hate that caused a young man to decide the answer was to shoot Charlie.

See the difference? If not, God help you.

HARK! · Sep 13, 2025

Bradskii said:
Hey, it's one or the other. She was either absolutely convinced he had comitted serious crimes - in which case the DoJ has let him off them and hasn't even bothered to even charge him with said crimes. Or...she lied to you.

You are at liberty to the present a third case. But just as a heads up, I'm voting Option 2. I'm guessing that most people would hope that's the case otherwise all illegal immigrants would be expected to be treated the same.

Drug dealer? Just send him home.
Rapist? Just send him home.
People smuggler? Just send him home.

I mean, you wouldn't want your tax dollars spent on lawyers and courts and the whole judicial system. Due process? What a waste of money. Just send them home!

She wasn't lying; and he didn't get let off; he got put out.

Waste of money? How about waste of the Court's time.

Due process?

Send them home, where justice can be served, by taking a play from the Obama playbook, by liberating terrorists through drone strikes.

RileyG · Sep 13, 2025

Postvieww said:
No , but Charlie Kirk’s Biblical stand could very well have played a part in his killers hatred.

That’s true.

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