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The Lord Restores The Tabernacle Of David

This is a good question but does not the statement by Jesus after His resurrection mean that Ezekiel chapters forty to forty seven must happen literally as well as allegorically with the church?

"25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" [Luke 24:25]
You may well do so if you take a verse out of context.
25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

How does Ez 40-47 pertain to Christ?
Only that this was the vision for the Temple that was supposed to be built and awaiting His Incarnation.

Ezekiel 43:10
Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them. 12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
A quick read of Haggai shows that they did not. The temple that was constructed fell well short of the vision (see also Ezra), and was later adorned in quite the worldly fashion by Herod the great.
I remain committed to the information laid out in the OP.
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Pardon For Ghislaine Maxwell?

It has to be an option for him, I guess. I see no reason to think he wouldn't offer a pardon if he felt it would help him. He has the inclination and ability. I still don't understand why he's panicking. Either it's really bad or he's not very smart, both of which are live possibilities.
One rumor is really bad - not that he was a "client" but a participant in the business side. If that were true, then the panic would be more than justified. But at least for now, that is only an internet rumor. From CNN:

There is no evidence that Trump did anything wrong or illegal in his interactions with Epstein. But days of stalling by the White House and new disclosures drove speculation to a fever pitch over their relationship in the 1990s and early 2000s, long before the wealthy financier was charged with sex trafficking and abuse and died in prison in 2019.

The frantic confluence of events Wednesday underscored Trump’s failed attempts to put a lid on the Epstein drama, the most serious challenge to his authority over the MAGA base in either of his administrations. In fact, the storm is now gathering its own momentum, and it’s increasingly hard to see how the president calms it.
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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

Salvation is BY grace alone which includes good works by the power of God, faith being one of them.
We do not perform the work of faith to receive the grace of God. Faith comes by hearing
There is no such thing as faith which is devoid of works. We show our faith by our works

Speaking ill of good works and calling virtue boastful is not the Gospel

Faith empowers us to do good works, else it is not faith. Jesus warned us of a form of godliness that denies the power thereof, and that some would no longer endure sound doctrine

These three remain Faith, Hope and Charity. Faith is never alone, else scripture says it is nothing and/or dead. 1Cor13 and James 2

Babes in Christ require training in righteousness, which is the practice of good works. Those that refuse good works cause the word of God to be blasphemed among the gentiles
Once again, you are yet to reply to my post 220. All you are doing is parroting Catholic theology without addressing my post.
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Zechariah 5 is imminent

Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this earth John 18:36 seems clear enough to me.
Jesus said that because the earth was and still is; Satans domain. Matthew 4:8-9 and 1 Peter 5:8-9, prove it.

Jesus will become King of this earth when He Returns; Revelation 19:11-21
It is what must happen before that glorious Day, that this thread is about.
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6,000 Years?

Points 1 and 2 are correct, but points 3 and 4 are not entirely correct.

Regarding point 3: Some young-earth creationists are willing to acknowledge that the evidence seems to indicate that the universe and Earth are billions of years old, but it only SEEMS that way. They are unwilling to acknowledge that the evidence truly indicates an old age. And it only seems that way because fallible scientists have interpreted the evidence incorrectly, starting with faulty assumptions (such as the principle of uniformitarianism, which holds that the same laws and processes operating in the present were operating in the past). When you interpret the evidence correctly, they say—which means subordinate to a literal reading of Genesis—it indicates that creation is only a few thousand years old. They claim that many features typically cited as evidence for an old Earth (e.g., radiometric dating, distant starlight, geological strata) can be reinterpreted within a young-earth framework if one adopts different starting assumptions. (For example, they suggest that both the fall and a literal worldwide flood probably altered the laws and processes operating in the past.)

Other young-earth creationists are willing to admit that the evidence really indicates an old age but they believe God created everything just a few thousand years ago with the appearance of age. They usually point to Adam as an example of this, who would have appeared to be a couple of decades old despite being created a few minutes ago.

Regarding point 4: While it is their interpretation of the Bible that says otherwise, they have been conditioned through carefully crafted rhetoric (e.g., by Answers in Genesis) to conflate their interpretation of the Bible with the Bible itself; in other words, they have been led to believe that to reject young-earth creationism is to reject scripture. For example, look at what one CF member said a few days ago: "Let's agree that the Bible is teaching that creation was ~6000 years ago and took six days to complete" (link; emphasis mine).
About point 3, last paragraph. God wouldn’t try to deceive us.
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Historic Poll Devastates Democrats: Worst Voter Approval Rating in 35 Years

Historic Poll Devastates Democrats: Worst Voter Approval Rating in 35 Years


If you’ve been paying attention to the news lately, you must be thinking that the Democrats are cruising to a 2026 midterm bonanza.​
After all, we’ve got that “MAGA civil war” over the Iran attacks. (Except that kind of went away once the Iran attacks went well.) Now we have “MAGA civil war” over the Epstein files. (Which will probably go away now that the Trump administration is making transparency on the dead sex trafficker and financier a priority.)​
And, of course, you have that Big Beautiful Bill, which — we were all reliably informed — was going to kill millions — if not billions or even trillions — of seniors instantly the moment it was passed because of health care cuts. (Haven’t seen the data on that yet, but when have the Democrats ever been wrong when they’ve fallen back on shrill messaging that fiscal continence and reasonable budgetary priorities mean “people will die?”)​
Actually, they’re doing worse than ever. And I don’t mean that in a hyperbolic way: Literally, the Democratic Party is at its lowest point in The Wall Street Journal’s history of party-approval polling, which dates back to 1990.​
That 30 percent gap is the highest ever recorded by the publication — and its down nine points since April, when the party had a negative 21 percent gap.​

The 666 mark will be a tattoo

I think we should all be allowed to read Revelation
Considering that's the only book in the New Testament that a great many peple have read, I don't think"allowing" is an issue.
and come up with an interpretation.
Oh yeah, that's Christendom is crying out for, another few thousands of interpretations of the Revelation.
And others should be allowed to contest such a view.
You needn't worry on that account. Pretty much everyone has their own interpretation of Rev, and no two them agree.
I do believe they will come up with a way to travel without personal ID, cash, or credit card.I
One tattoo won't get that done, will it?

would be careful on how I handled such changes when they come.
If they don't require you to sacrifice to the Emperor you're probably alright.
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The Rapture theory is true?

I would not think a hard and fast conclusion can be rightly made of six days corresponding to six thousand years from what scriptures show.
But the Bible does show exact 2000 year periods between Adam to Abram and from Abraham to Jesus. Now; almost another 2000 years since Jesus. These are facts, historical and logical.
Then we are told about the one thousand years when King Jesus will reign over the physical earth. Making a 7000 year total of Gods Plan for mankind.

Note; that God never 'raptured' the early Christian martyrs, or any Christians being killed for their faith now. This simple fact totally destroys the whole false idea of a removal to heaven for anyone.
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Is the ESV still popular?

Here's a ranked list of the most popular English Bible versions based on recent data and historical trends:

Most Popular Bible Versions (2025)

RankVersionTranslation StyleReadabilityNotable Features
1️⃣New International Version (NIV)Balanced (Thought-for-thought leaning)7th gradeWidely accessible, modern language, used across denominations
2️⃣King James Version (KJV)Formal equivalence (Word-for-word)12th grade+Classic literary style, traditional worship, historical impact
3️⃣New Living Translation (NLT)Dynamic equivalence (Thought-for-thought)6th gradeEasy to read, popular for devotionals and new believers
4️⃣English Standard Version (ESV)Essentially literal8th–9th gradePopular in Reformed circles, scholarly and precise
5️⃣New King James Version (NKJV)Formal equivalence9th gradeModernized KJV language, conservative appeal
6️⃣Christian Standard Bible (CSB)Optimal equivalence7th–8th gradeBalanced readability and accuracy, gaining traction
7️⃣Reina Valera (RV) (Spanish)Formal equivalenceVariesMost popular Spanish-language Bible
8️⃣New International Reader’s Version (NIrV)Simplified thought-for-thought3rd–4th gradeDesigned for children and ESL readers
9️⃣The Message (MSG)ParaphraseVery easyContemporary, poetic, highly interpretive
Nueva Versión Internacional (NVI) (Spanish)Dynamic equivalenceVariesSpanish counterpart to the NIV


Translation Styles Explained
  • Formal Equivalence: Word-for-word accuracy (e.g., KJV, ESV, NASB)
  • Dynamic Equivalence: Thought-for-thought clarity (e.g., NIV, NLT)
  • Paraphrase: Reworded for modern understanding (e.g., The Message)
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

When it refers to a particular group or thing that group or thing is present in the text, so the qualification is clear. When there is no specified group, it's universal.
I dont think you understand the word all at all, you been deceived into thinking it means all mankind without exception, and I cant undeceive you. But the all in Jn 12:32 actually come unto Jesus like He said they would do. Its the same all the Father gives Him Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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The 666 mark will be a tattoo

* Create a new currency
That's happens with boring reularity now, doesn't it? I actually made money trading Dogecoin (hundreds, not thousands.), and I didn't even have to have any tattoos.
* Create something "swipable" to access the account
Not at all sure what that means, or why.
* Eliminate the need to carry a billfold, credit cards, passports, drivers licensees, and those sort of things.
That's your telephone.
Every time I have heard Elon Musk get up to lecture he starts out by promoting bitcoin.
He's probably heavily invested in it, to almost no one's surprise.
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Joy Behar reveals The View is going on hiatus day after White House calls for it to be canceled

Yeah, silly.
Who are you calling silly?
Who did he call on?
Disney's Bob Iger and the head of the FCC, Brendon Carr, according to the article.

With the president gloating that Colbert “got fired” and claiming he struck a secret side deal with Skydance for an additional $20 million in pro-Trump advertising, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr – who is responsible for approving the merger – didn’t directly answer Fox News on Thursday when asked if Trump had anything to do with Colbert’s cancellation.​
At the same time, Carr also suggested that The View could be a program he’d take a close look at amid the White House’s push for it to be taken off the air.​
“Look, it’s entirely possible that there’s issues over there,” he said. “Stepping back, this broader dynamic [that] once President Trump has exposed these media gatekeepers and smashed this facade, there are a lot of consequences. I think the consequences of that aren’t quite finished.”​

Trump has a history of malign threats, some of which he makes good, others not so much.
Congress to cancel them? Alot of people believe it they should be cancelled.....by whom? their employer.....
Congress has no say in this.

And the president ought not to.
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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

Those are not made inherently righteous, righteousness is imputed to them through faith (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, Php 3:9).
Inherent righteous is through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
So righteousness is earned ?
I disagree, seeing righteousness as a gift from God, inherent in repentance from sin and the washing away of sins by Christ's blood at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins.
Turned from sin and washed, equals clean !
With the gift of the Holy Ghost, we can remain clean.
Inherent righteousness is a journey of sanctification, whose foundation is justification (declared righteousness through faith), it is a transforming process of being made holy in the pursuit of righteousness in reliance on the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
It is a journey nobody has ever finished.
Do you know anyone who has reached that goal, using those means?
Let Christ do it in three minutes.
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Dismantling Judeo-Christian values in America

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 14:30-31
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, 31 but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

John 16:11 "and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned."


i can go on and on , but you get the point.
So practically Christians are a serf and slave class for you right? We are not permitted to have any kind of power or worldly authority? This is your position right?
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Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God...

Peace in Christ.


Again, we who HEAR and believe in the Word of Truth are to manifest the life of Jesus in our MORTAL FLESH by the keeping of the “daily sacrifice” of the Lamb. We are to die to the sin. By doing so, we are manifesting the “Son of man” to this world for them so that they may SEE and believe in Him. The man-based churches are not teaching this. The spirit of the antichrist is not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh and are preventing the manifestation of the Son of man to the world.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

This “death”…His death (the Lamb slain)…that we participate in now in our mortal bodies exalts Him OUT of the earth.

By doing so, all people will be drawn to Him (the “great multitude) as they will see His glory shine through us (the 144,000 who stand with the LAMB.)

Joh 12:32-33
(32) And I, if I be lifted up from (OUT of) the earth, will draw all men unto me.

(33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Right now, the Son of man is not being seen in the man-based churches. The Son of man “goes”…that is, sinks out of sight…by those who are betraying Him. He is not being "lifted up" when His life is "sinking" out of view.

His life is not being made manifest in any man-based church where they have put a stop to keeping His daily sacrifice (the Lamb slain) in the lives of their congregations who are actually SERVING THE SIN rather than dying to it.

They are judging others via their church handwritings of ordinances/ordinances (such as their “statements of faith”) that their church scribes made for them to keep and serve rather than do God’s commandments which are written upon our hearts and minds. And so the Son of man (His life) is not being made manifest to the outside world.

Mat 26:24 KJV
(24) The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The Son of man is betrayed NOW in the hands of sinners ....in the man-based (based on their church scribes’ external handwritings) churches where they are actually made servants of the sin rather than dying to it. We must awake out of our "sleep" and rise and depart from the man-based churches and be separate from them.

Mat 26:45-47 KJV
(45) Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.


We must “RISE” and go from the man-based churches where a great multitude of preachers and leaders are following in the footsteps of Judas…where they come to take Jesus (the keeping of His daily sacrifice) out of the lives of whom they are deceiving and are preventing the Son of man from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of those who are listening to them.

(46) Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
(47) And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

The Son of man MUST be lifted up so that outside WORLD may see and believe in Him and be saved. We lift Him up now by the keeping of His daily sacrifice so that His life is manifest in our mortal flesh. For God so loved the WORLD that He gives His only begotten Son. We lift Him up for the world to see Him through us. When Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, all they had to do was to LOOK and believe and be healed. Same principle here as well.

Joh 3:14-17 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

When we manifest His life in our mortal flesh, we stand with the “LAMB” on an exalted spot…on Mount (rising up) Zion (the sign of the Son of man) so that others may see Him through us. We become a "city" upon a hill that cannot then be hid. We become the light of the world through the manifestation of the life of Christ in our mortal flesh.

Rev 14:1 KJV
(1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

We are currently not seeing the manifestation of the Son of man to this world because of false prophets…deceivers who have entered into the world and are not confessing that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in our mortal flesh (the manifestation of the Son of man in our mortal flesh). They are preaching “another jesus” an antichrist (instead of the real Christ.)

2Jn 1:7 KJV
(7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The truth of the gospel is not with the churches of men who are preaching via the “antichrist” spirit that is not confessing/acknowledging in their preaching that Jesus Christ IS COMING NOW in the flesh…in our mortal flesh. We manifest the Son of man in our mortal flesh for the world to see and believe.

1Jn 4:1-4 KJV
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world
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The Son of man is currently in the heart of the earth as the man-based church preachers are only earthly-minded and so have no understanding of the truth of the gospel so that their congregations may be saved. His life is not being made manifest in any of their gatherings.

Mat 12:
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The enemies of the cross of Christ are keeping their congregations from dying to the sin (the Lamb slain) so that they may an age-lasting life. They are preventing His life from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of all that are being deceived by them. Their end is destruction….the destruction of their mortal bodies. They are minding “earthly things” and do not understand the truth of the gospel.

And so the Son of man is in the “heart of the earth” where His life is not being seen by the outside world as He is sinking out of sight in their gatherings rather than being lifted up out of the earth.

Php 3:17-19 KJV
(17) Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Thank you for sharing such a deep and passionate reflection on the manifestation of Christ in our mortal flesh. I can tell you’ve spent significant time meditating on the Word and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide your insights and that’s something I deeply respect. You raise some powerful points about the calling of believers to die to sin, to walk in the Spirit, and to be living testimonies of the risen Christ. I’d like to respond in the spirit of dialogue, encouragement, and biblical clarity.

YES Christ must be visible in our daily lives!​

You’re absolutely right that the Christian walk isn’t about dead religion, institutional performance, or merely believing doctrines on paper. The life of Christ is meant to shine through His people not just in future glory, but here and now, in our mortal bodies. Paul makes this clear:
“We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.”
2 Corinthians 4:10
So yes, the call is not just to believe but to embody. To live as crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20), so His resurrection power is at work in us. There’s no gospel without transformation, and the world desperately needs to see Jesus in us, not just hear about Him.

But let’s be careful not to throw out the Body of Christ.​

Where I would lovingly push back a little is on the blanket condemnation of "man-based churches". I agree that many churches today are entangled in tradition, carnality, or performance-based religion. That’s real, and Jesus rebuked the same in His day. But let's not forget: Jesus still builds His Church (Matthew 16:18), and His true Church isn’t confined to buildings or denominations but neither is it absent from them.
The danger is in assuming all churches are corrupted and that the true Body only exists among those who “come out” from them. Yes, we need discernment. Yes, we must avoid dead religion. But the Bride of Christ is still active in the world today. There are many godly leaders, pastors, and congregations walking in holiness, truth, and Spirit-led power they're not perfect, but they are bearing fruit.
Paul rebuked churches like Corinth and Galatia but he didn’t tell believers to abandon the church altogether. He called for reform from within, not withdrawal into isolation.

On the “daily sacrifice” and lifting up the Son of Man​

Your symbolism about the “daily sacrifice” is rich and in principle, I get what you’re expressing. We must live in continual surrender, dying to sin daily. But I would caution against turning this metaphor into a doctrine that implies Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10) somehow isn’t sufficient unless we "keep it going."
Yes, we participate in His death through dying to sin, but not because His sacrifice lacks power. Rather, because the flesh must be crucified in order for the Spirit to reign. But we do this by the Spirit, not through self-willed effort or rigid asceticism (Romans 8:13).
As for John 12:32, when Jesus said “If I be lifted up... I will draw all men to Me,” John immediately tells us He was speaking about His crucifixion. That event His death on the cross is the ultimate lifting up. While we absolutely reflect His life and should glorify Him publicly, the saving draw of the gospel rests not in our moral performance, but in His finished work.

About Antichrist and Christ “coming in the flesh”​

You referenced 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 1:7, that every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God. This verse is central to the epistles of John but let’s read it carefully in context.
John was combating Gnostic heresies, which denied Jesus came in real human flesh. These false teachers were saying Christ only appeared spiritual, not physically incarnate. So when John says “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,” he isn’t talking about a daily mystical manifestation in us but rather affirming the historical Incarnation of Christ.
Now, Christ does dwell in us by the Holy Spirit (Gal. 4:6, Col. 1:27), and yes, we are being transformed into His image (2 Cor. 3:18). But that’s not the same as teaching He is "coming now in our flesh" in the sense of a new incarnation or re-living through us.
Let’s honor the context of John’s epistles and avoid giving them meanings they weren’t intended to carry.

True transformation is the goal but grace is the method.​

You rightly grieve that many believers are not living the gospel they preach. I do too. But rather than abandon them, let’s help equip, disciple, and revive them. Let's call for repentance, for Spirit-empowered obedience, and for Christ to be truly seen in us not by law, but by grace that trains us to say “no” to ungodliness (Titus 2:11–12).

So, Dear Brother,​

I hear your heart: the Church must wake up. And you're not wrong. But the answer isn’t to discard the gathered Church it's to be the Church and call others higher in love and truth. Let’s never forget:
  • The Spirit and the Bride still say Come (Rev. 22:17).
  • Jesus still walks among the lampstands (Rev. 1:13), which represent the churches.
  • The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church Jesus is building.
So yes let us die daily. Let us live crucified. Let us lift up the Son of Man through our transformed lives. But let’s also do it together, as a Body, not divided in judgment, but united in truth, grace, and love.

Would love to continue this discussion. You’ve stirred some vital truths, and I pray God keeps using you to ignite revival, not just criticism.
Grace and peace to you in Jesus Christ, our risen King.
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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

What makes you think I have a problem with any scripture.?
You must be joking. You certainly have a problem with every scripture/verse I have posted. Your silence speaks volumes.

Do you want to openly deny you are tempted within, internally, by the tempter?
Do you openly deny that we are told if we resist him, he will flee? Do you openly deny that God himself searches the heart? I find it very sad that you continue to tie your life to the devil in this way. Is everyone perfect? No. We are all tempted and fall short at times. But can we strive to walk in the light? Yes. And that means we can continue to always try and resist the devil and submit ourselves to God. I'm guessing you're not able to for the most part? It can take time to mature in that aspect. Again, no one will ever be perfect. We will always miss the mark in flesh bodies. But we should always try and put the spirit over the flesh. And God is the heart knower.

That doctrine that actually believes Jesus IS the Savior of the world and actually GETS THE JOB DONE? You mean that doctrine?
The doctrine that believes the Second Death only applies to Satan and his angels. Christ himself would prove you wrong and has given us his Word on that. He's told us, he's warned us about repenting, etc. Anyone not written in the book of life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. It would be a denial to suggest otherwise. Christ did get the job done -meaning he is Savior to the entire world. Meaning he is it, there is no other way but someone can certainly not accept that, believe that, obey the gospel, and so on.

What I find highly ironic is that most freewillers who think their decisions get them into heaven only have "reasonable assurances" that it's going to happen, but these same NEVER have surety about the matters, even for themselves.
It's going to be a lot harder when the ends come. Apostasy will happen, etc. If someone is in that time period Christ himself states in your patience, possess your souls. We have to hold onto our faith until the end, never wavering as Paul states. We all have to sail our own boats I can't decide or judge anyone's fate. I can only pray for them including myself that I will not fall away, etc. Will I stumble for sure, am I tempted, of course but we can separate from the devil. Is that a one time thing? No. We have to be on guard. That's what the gospel armor is for. But again, I am sad that you think and believe you can't.

or be eternally snuffed.
Seriously, you haven't read the the bible in it's entirety have you? I only did myself for the first time a little over 20 years ago. But that's the only thing that would explain to me why you omit scripture like you do. So it's an honest question.
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Dismantling Judeo-Christian values in America

This is what occurs when people move away from scripture and focus more on hypotheticals.

Would things be different if the Ottoman Empire had ruled America? I'm not sure, but I doubt it would have been significantly better, even under a divinely appointed leader.

How do I know that? because bibles says so.



1 Samuel 8 : 7-21

. 7 The Lord told Samuel, “Listen to everything the people are saying to you. They haven’t rejected you; they’ve rejected me. 8 They’re doing just what they’ve done since I took them out of Egypt—leaving me and serving other gods. 9 Listen to them now, but be sure to warn them and tell them about the rights of a king.”

10 Then Samuel told the people who had asked him for a king everything the Lord had said. 11 Samuel said, “These are the rights of a king:

He will draft your sons, make them serve on his chariots and horses, and make them run ahead of his chariots.

12 He will appoint them to be his officers over 1,000 or over 50 soldiers, to plow his ground and harvest his crops, and to make weapons and equipment for his chariots.

13 He will take your daughters and have them make perfumes, cook, and bake.

14 He will take the best of your fields, vineyards, and olive orchards and give them to his officials.

15 He will take a tenth of your grain and wine and give it to his aids and officials.

16 He will take your male and female slaves, your best cattle,[a] and your donkeys for his own use.

17 He will take a tenth of your flocks.

In addition, you will be his servants.

18 “When that day comes, you will cry out because of the king whom you have chosen for yourselves. The Lord will not answer you when that day comes.”

19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. They said, “No, we want a king! 20 Then we, too, will be like all the other nations. Our king will judge us, lead us out ⌞to war⌟, and fight our battles.”

21 When Samuel heard everything the people had to say, he reported it privately to the Lord. 22 The Lord told him, “Listen to them, and give them a king.”


Then Samuel told the people of Israel, “Go ⌞back⌟ to your own cities.”
You are incapable of actually giving practical advice on how to live life. Why should I listen to you when you are indifferent to genocide? Do you not know anything about the Armenians that you confuse them with Americans? Was it better they all died? Answer the question. Stop running away from answering.
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