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Missing pages from one's bible

Again, no one has suggested otherwise :rolleyes:
The initial point had been made that the office of the (Catholic) Papacy did not exist prior to the fourth century. More accurately, the post stated, "It was not until the late 4th Century that the word was reserved solely for the Bishop of Rome, which then became the papacy."

Your rejoinder to this was "The title of Pope belonged first to the Patriarch of Alexandria and continues to be used today."

I guess my question to you is whether or not the title of Pope as applied to the Patriarch of Alexandria was, and is, solely for him alone?
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Weekend Thoughts 10/17-10/19/2025:
Boundaries are where people have
Rules and knowing when to say when
How to say no without being embarrassed
But that it is how boundaries we live and
Learn albeit in a sense over in the
Very hard way and how we need to set those boundaries
For all of us to abide by and respect.
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Ezra Klein: Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way

There's nothing wrong with doing what you're good at, but if someone is really good at making schlocky Hallmark Channel movies, we don't need to hold them up as a masterful filmmaker and an example for future generations of directors.

Charlie Kirk was very good at creating entertainment for a right-wing audience and tripping up unprepared college students. That doesn't mean that he was a good debater or someone who was "practicing politics the right way."
I don't understand why it troubles y'all so much to admit that the man was smart and successful.
He started his own PAC when he was 18 and look at it now.
He was good at what he did. You can't admit it without putting an asterisk by it
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

No Jesus didn't fulfilled it completely. The Gospel of Luke, will reveal what Jesus meant when He said in (Matthew 5:17 & 18), that He came to fulfill and no letter would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. Looking at Luke chapter 24:14-44, you will find that , this is when Jesus had been crucified and Peter and others were at the grave site and they were contemplating the events that had occurred. Verse 16, tells you that Jesus had come among them but they did not know Him. In verse 17, Jesus asks them what were they discussing,


(17) And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?


In verse 19 and 20, they explained to Jesus what had taken place, still not recognizing Him. Verse 21, tells why they were sad, they had expected Jesus to restore Israel. (Israel as a nation , had a history of being conquered by other nations. They had been split into two kingdoms and the northern kingdom had already been taken into captivity prior to this time. All that remained was Judah, Benjamin, and Levite, and now it had been taken over by Rome.) Now this was the 3rd day since Jesus crucifixion and they were in question because to them nothing had changed. Israel still remained in its same state. Note what Jesus says to them in verse 25:


(25) Then he said unto them, O fool, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:


Now the prophets had spoke of many things that Jesus was to do when He came. However they were just focused on the redemption of Israel. That is why Jesus told them in verse 25 that they were not bringing into remembrance all the things that were spoken of Him by the prophets. He reminded them in verse 26 that He had to suffer first and then enter into glory. He then in verse 27 went over all that the scriptures had to say concerning Himself. Following is verse 27,


(27) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.


The following verse explains what Jesus meant in (Matthew 5:17) where He said He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill. Jesus says in (Luke 24:44) And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
It is pretty clear on the face of it what Jesus is saying, and it is not that when He cried, "It is finished," it actually wasn't. Jesus is speaking in the past tense. "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,..." And what were the words he spoke back then? "That all things must be fulfilled." You see, he said that all things must be fulfilled that were spoken of him when he was yet with them, but now he is no longer with them as he was before, and now all things have been fulfilled. When Jesus said, "It is finished." You can bet your bottom dollar it was.
Here Jesus makes it clear that all things written about Him in the Old Testament must be fulfilled. Knowing that all things must be fulfilled by Jesus, as long as heaven and earth is still here, tells us that the law (Commandments) are still here as well and must be kept. We have to understand that all things are not fulfilled because Jesus ministry was cut off, which will continue at his second coming.
Of course, this is not the case, as I just pointed out. People who believe as you do can never say with certainty if they have kept God's law good enough or even what is good enough. Many people trying to work their way to heaven try to reduce God's Law to a manageable size by interpreting how to keep it in a way that they feel they can do it.

If they listen to the Holy Spirit and see the purity God actually demands, they would wilt like cut flowers in the sun. Jesus said it. You must be perfect as God. People who are working to keep the commandments to be saved can only say they love Jesus, but in reality, you can't love someone whom you don't know whether they are coming to destroy you or save you.

They worship a God who says to them Love and obey me, or I will kill you. To love like that is not love at all. Secretly, all of these people are afraid of God, afraid they have not done enough, that they have failed somehow. They are spiritually insecure creatures whose doubts and fears about their own salvation prevent them from true worship and adoration.
In Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the Sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast days are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who do not keep these feast day of the Lord, if they were judging them on those High and Holy Sabbath days, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, Easter and Christmas Paganism, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days and God’s, that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. So if you keep another day thats not written in the Bible, then you are doing something on your own, thus it would really be contradictorily.
If Sabbath keeping is so important for salvation, why can't those who try to earn God's favor by "keeping" it agree on how it should be kept? How can you even know if you are keeping it. People who are working for God's free gift may do certain things on the Sabbath, such as going to church and reading their bible, and yet they will buy on the sabbath in certain cases. Is the Sabbath so unimportant that it doesn't matter what you actually do on that day as long as you carry the label of "Sabbath Keeper?"

If being a "Sabbath Keeper" is just a title, then what difference does it make?
Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
This verse means Jesus’ one sacrifice is sufficient forever; no further sacrifices (animal or human) are required. It means obedience and repentance are a result of salvation.


  • Hebrews 10:12“But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”
    Jesus’ sacrifice is final and complete.
  • 1 Peter 3:18“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God.”

Summary: No more animal sacrifices are needed, because Christ’s sacrifice is perfect and final.
In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
This shows we have direct access to God through Christ, not through an earthly priesthood or temple rituals.


  • John 14:6“I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
  • Ephesians 2:18“For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.”

Summary: The “new and living way” is Jesus Himself, our mediator — not a new set of sacrifices or temple system.
(21) and having an high priest over the house of God;
Yes, Jesus is now our High Priest in heaven — not any earthly priest.


  • Hebrews 4:14–16“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God… Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace.”
  • 1 Timothy 2:5“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

Summary: Jesus is the only High Priest we need — no earthly sacrificial system remains.


(v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
This does not mean a believer who sins has no hope. It means rejecting Christ’s once-for-all sacrifice leaves no other sacrifice available. If we reject the Son, there’s nowhere else to turn.
  • “Willful sin” doesn’t mean every time you fall short or mess up.
  • The Greek shows it means to keep on sinning deliberately, as a chosen lifestyle — approving of what’s wrong instead of repenting.
  • It’s like turning your back on Jesus and saying, “I don’t care — I’m doing what I want.”

  • A believer who sins but then feels conviction, repents, and returns to Christ is not who this verse is warning.
    But someone who sins with no desire to change and rejects God’s authority is in the danger Hebrews describes.


    Summary of the Greek:

    • “Hekousiōs” = willfully, deliberately.
    • “Hamartanontōn” = ongoing sin, not a single act.
    • Together: “to keep on sinning deliberately.”
    • Meaning: willful rebellion or approval of sin, not accidental weakness.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
You are saying that God says love and obey me, or I will do the most horrible things to you. But the reality is that "Sinning willfully” leads to a “fearful expectation of judgment,” not because God is eager to condemn, but because He alone provided the only way of salvation — Jesus.
If someone rejects that, there’s nothing else left to save them. He is the only salvation.
God had Peter to clearly warn people about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Cor 1:18
Please stop trying to teach, you are doing more harm then good, you are not understanding Pauls writing.
This is not true. Your teachings are defacing God and presenting him as an ogre who demands love under the threat of death or worse. It is the same lie the serpent spat out at Eve in the garden when he suggested that God was a demanding tyrant keeping her from her full potential.
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Ezra Klein: Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way

So he did what he was good at, there's nothing wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with doing what you're good at, but if someone is really good at making schlocky Hallmark Channel movies, we don't need to hold them up as a masterful filmmaker and an example for future generations of directors.

Charlie Kirk was very good at creating entertainment for a right-wing audience and tripping up unprepared college students. That doesn't mean that he was a good debater or someone who was "practicing politics the right way."
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Missing pages from one's bible

Precisely. Therefore, I think that there is a very significant difference in the definition of the office of Pope between our Roman friends and you Eastern Orthodox, to the point that although both share the same etymological source, they are no more similar than a grenade and Granada.

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Again, no one has suggested otherwise :rolleyes:
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Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

Universal background checks, including private sales, would make it harder for criminals to get guns.

Safe storage laws would reduce gun thefts, which is a significant source of firearms used in murders.

A ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines would result in fewer deaths in mass shootings.

Preventing convicted domestic abusers, domestic abusers under restraining orders, and people with stalking convictions from owning firearms would prevent a lot of people from being killed in domestic violence incidents.
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Well how to compare Mississippi with California, is to take the section of California who racial makeup matches the Mississippi Delta's and compare murder rates. Because 100% of the killing in Mississippi are blacks killing blacks and see how the gun laws in California are working to prevent murder.
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

So you choose which commandments of the tablet of 10 to follow then because, for one, you or your church do not keep the 4th commandment. I warned you to be careful of your answer but you were not.
It’s not me choosing; the whole church, while holding that the ten commandments must be obeyed did it that way-and continued to down through the centuries. Because that’s what they received from the beginning. A couple of brother Christians put it this way.

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. St Justin 90-165 AD

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death St Ignatius of Antioch 50-100 AD

They had the Torah and knew it well, along with the new testament writings that were available before the canon was determined. And in addition to that, they had nearness to the fact, the historical events, themselves; St Ignatius was a disciple of John, for one.
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Missing pages from one's bible

It was never implied that he did.
Precisely. Therefore, I think that there is a very significant difference in the definition of the office of Pope between our Roman friends and you Eastern Orthodox, to the point that although both share the same etymological source, they are no more similar than a grenade and Granada.

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Church meeting with minister - can you help?

I was raised in 'megachurches' where the pastors ran the church like a business instead of like a church and I feel this church is using the same trainers
I mean no disrespect in this comment, but it sounds like you have misgivings about the church you were raised in yet you then joined another just like it. While it is admirable that you are going to share your concerns with your church leadership, perhaps you would be well served to look for a church that is not like the one you were raised in, which you didn't like so much in the first place. We naturally tend to gravitate to the familiar. Sometimes it is useful to step out of familiar territory and our comfort zone. Best wishes.
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Trump’s Name Chanted in Israel AND Gaza After Peace Deal: ‘Nobel Prize to Trump!’

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Trump effectively undermined consideration for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize based on

1) His "America First" policy that ignores past alliances and insults the leaders of friendly nations (ie Governor Trudeau)

2) Cancellation of USAID! with its long legacy of providing food and shelter to much of the world's refugees

4) Arbitrarily imposing tariffs that could trigger a worldwide recession - yet another example of Trump viewing the rest of the world with contempt!

5) Then there is the Trump Administration's resorting to extreme measures that one would associate with authoritarian regimes --masked ICE agents engaging in arrests with no means of identification, conducting sweeps for illegals in the middle of the night and transporting prisoners without "due process" to prisons in El Salvador!

6) Its doubtful that those on the Nobel Prize selection committee appreciate candidates who are actively lobbying for themselves or nominated by leaders like Benjamin Netanyahu - who is currently the subject of an arrest warrant for war crimes issued by the International Criminal Court!

Nobody cares about that stuff anymore. It was all garbage since the beginning.
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