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Apple Sky · Oct 20, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Ok, so you're obviously too scared to say that Charles was lying when he gave his public testimony of how he met Jesus.

I'm not to scared to say anything.

Strong in Him said:
It's not feasible to say that this part of Charles' testimony is true, but the bit about the moon landing is a lie.

Why ?

Strong in Him said:
You once believed it was all true.

Once but not now ever since TFE thread.

sjastro · Oct 20, 2025

stevevw said:
But empirical science is based on an assumption that all causes are naturalistic and reducible back to material explanations. So knowledged gained is by slow and gradual trial and error of imporvement.

There is never room for other causes that may give deeper knowledge such as belief or conscious experience. Not just sense data but experiencial knowledge.

For example science sees the whole God of the Old Testament and the knowledged gained as superstition as a priori. So its discounted. But it may have added to the ancients knowledge of reality. In fact the bible and Christians and Jews for that matter claim it is the source of true knowledge.

I see various forms of the same sort of knowledge from the ancients where they lived within a spiritual world completely different to now and where perhaps there was a deeper knowledge of nature and reality. Not in reductive and naturalistic terms. But just as being one with nature. More experiential where they understood natures secrets better.

What a woeful piece of ignorant commentary God is unfalsifiable in science, whether God is based on superstition or is real depends on the opinion of the individual.

When the Roman Empire collapsed in Western Europe it's no coincidence the descent into the dark ages was the loss of Greek philosophy with the emphasis on naturalism while the Bible in the form of theology became exclusively the source of 'true' knowledge.

The other 'people of the book' adherents to Islam whom you ignored rediscovered Greek philosophy and along with incorporating Persian and Indian knowledge resulted in an Islamic civilization vastly superior to anything found in Western Europe.
It took the West centuries to catch up and it was no coincidence the reintroduction of naturalism into theology led to a transformation of western civilization.

Fervent · Oct 20, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
Well I'm not a believer in Nicomacean ethics (I think, I haven't read about them). But now I'm intrigued, what should we do with immoral hammers?

A hammer that isn't suited to the purpose of being a hammer either needs a new purpose it is suited for, or is only fit for destruction.

Stopped_lurking said:
Any object that can drive nails well is a good hammer.

If its purpose is to drive nails, but if it was intended for another purpose then its usefulness as a hammer is irrelevant to its good. It s only good for hammers to be useful as hammers, a screwdrivers usefulness as a hammer iis not relevant to its good.

Stopped_lurking said:
Since we are talking about morals? Anyone having a opinion about something being moral or not is expressing their moral feelings from my perspective. Including a Creator.

That's hardly an argument, just an assertion on your part. And it renders any discussion of morals absolutely pointless, making it a mystery why you would even bother discussing questions of morality.

Stopped_lurking said:
Even it it doesn't exist? So in your view if humans have no telos their actions can't be called morally good or bad? Does this mean, if we don't know that telos we shouldn't express any moral sentiments ourselves?

Yes, if we have no final cause then there is no point in making moral evaluations. If all we are expressing is personal preferences, then there is no reason to expect such things to matter to anyone but ourselves.

Stopped_lurking said:
I guess that you are arguing from Nicomacean ethics again. Does Aristotle give a explicit argument for the connection between telos and morality, instead of just declaring them connected? Something I can read so that I perhaps understand why they should be connected?

He does, but I'm too lazy to locate/present it at the moment. As with any moral argument, there is a gap in the explanation but the thrust of the argument is that good and evil are intrinsic to the nature of an object rather than in actions, with actions taking on value depending on their relationship to the intrinsic qualities of the object. If the object is acting in accordance with its nature, then it is acting in accordance with the good. So to determine what is and isn't good requires determining the purpose for that object and how well it serves that purpose. When it comes to human beings, this lends itself to ideas about morality through how well we exhibit particular virtues rather than whether we follow moral precepts. But moral good is not separate from a more general kind of good, because in order for something to be good is nothing over and above it exemplifying its nature.

Say it aint so · Oct 20, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Making excuses for atrocities is synonymous with defending them

One more time. No one is defending Hamas's actions, and btw come defending atrocities, that cuts both ways doesn't it?

RileyG · Oct 20, 2025

Shane R said:
My first Presbyterian service went very well. The bulletin I had been provided to prep was not altogether helpful and there are a couple of things I will prep differently next time. But that's the great thing, they told me I am a good preacher and booked me twice in November.

Awesome! That’s good to hear!

Say it aint so · Oct 20, 2025

ralliann said:
Obama did alot of deportations like Trump is also doing

Oops. My error. I meant Biden.

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Neogaia777 · Oct 20, 2025

@Strong in Him

God is probably going to have to judge some of your sin, maybe not all of it, but probably some of it, even if you are a believer, or say you are a child of God, or say you have a faith belief in Jesus Christ, etc.

And whether or not that results in a complete loss of salvation, or maybe just a loss of rewards maybe, none of us knows right now for certain, and isn't supposed to be up to us and our own judgements anyway, but just only Gods, and Gods only, don't you think?

God Bless.

Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Why would I post it ?

Ok, so you're obviously too scared to say that Charles was lying when he gave his public testimony of how he met Jesus. Of how he said, "either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history".
That's good. I didn't think you'd be able to say he was lying about Jesus being the Way.

It's not feasible to say that this part of Charles' testimony is true, but the bit about the moon landing is a lie.
It's all true, or it's all a lie. You once believed it was all true.

comana · Oct 20, 2025

Servus said:
Is it a realistic practical workable model? There is a Healthcare Marketplace. But I don't know how it compares to auto and home insurance along those lines.

I would prefer commercial insurance be completely optional with everyone on Medicare. Medicare is already a proven model that can be configured for universal coverage.

My employer recently changed insurance coverage, all my providers went out of network with it and less coverage. My option is to accept and adapt to what is now offered now or look for a new employer and hope their coverage offered is better. I shouldn’t need to consider changing jobs because of healthcare coverage. Employer and healthcare coverage should be two unrelated decisions.

Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
@Strong in Him

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in,

Might make into where? Heaven?
Jesus said that whoever believes in him has eternal life. HAS, present tense. He said it is God's work, and will, that we believe and have eternal life, John 6:29, 40.
Jesus told us that he is the Vine, we are the branches and we are to remain in him, John 15:5.
Paul said that we ARE heirs with Christ and are given the Holy Spirit as a deposit, which guarantees our inheritance, 2 Corinthians 5:5.

Are you saying that none of that is true and we may still meet God after death and be told "you're not coming in"?

Neogaia777 said:
but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin,

Complete faith in God is not, and can never be, a sin.

Neogaia777 said:
for one, your not yielding your own individual judgement to God,

I have faith that God's word is true.
Don't you?

Neogaia777 said:
, for another, it's somehow telling God that he has to let you in, because he's maybe evil or something

GOD himself has said that I have eternal life because I believe in Jesus.
"Getting into" heaven is nothing to do with me and everything to do with what Jesus has done for, and in, me.

And there is no way I would say that God is evil.

Neogaia777 said:
because you have evaluated/judged yourself and found yourself somehow completely worthy,

I am worthy ONLY through Jesus who had made me righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

Neogaia777 said:
and if he somehow doesn't agree with your own evaluation or judgement of yourself, then he's somehow evil, or wicked, or not at all just at all if he doesn't let you in, etc.

Rubbish.

NewLifeInChristJesus · Oct 20, 2025

Bro.T said:
When one comes to the word of God we find that the blind leads the blind, because most people do not take the time and read for themselves. Jesus say in Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Now understand that this is a spiritual and a physical saying, but in this case I’m seeing the spiritual side of this blind side of man. Paul say in 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hardly know one, once to admit that they follow Satan, but there’s no middle ground in the case, either you follow God (Jesus) or Satan. It’s written in Revelation 12: 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Once a person realize they have been deceive that’s when the true change can come in. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ and our adjective is to be Christ like. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: (1 Peter 2: 21, 22)

Jesus says in Luke: 31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. See sin is what got us these two death in the first place. Let’s take a look at the biblical definition of sin. 1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.)

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1: 6,8,9)

So if you think because Jesus die for our sins, and you don’t have to keep the law (Commandments) then you are sinning, and Paul told us in Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We all have to do the same thing to get in the kingdom of God, and one of those things is keeping the Commandments. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Jesus had a custom, and his custom was to keep the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, but in our day we keep Sunday, and for some reason its not written in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, to attend Church service on the first day of the week. But let's go into Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Mt 5:48)

How does that verse make you feel? I'm guessing you might be looking for a way to wiggle out of it.

RocksInMyHead · Oct 20, 2025

Servus said:
Such as what other medications and what conditions?

Accutane, use for the treatment of acne, is the first one that comes to mind because my doctor wanted to put me on it as a teen (my sister did take it for several years), and the side effects were pretty bad - bad enough that I decided I'd rather deal with the acne than risk them.

The various ADHD drugs were/are also pretty nasty.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are some that I have personal/family experience with.

BCP1928 · Oct 20, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
They have refused every two state solution they have been offered - why?

Why should they accept a two-state solution?

Always in His Presence said:
They don't want a two state - they want one - with all the Jews dead

Yet they lived together with Jews for four hundred years in Ottoman Palestine. What changed?

Always in His Presence said:
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They say this - Their mission is not to free Palestine, but to eliminate the Jews - period

Kill ‘all’ Jews, Hamas TV host urges kids

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Hamas exists for one purpose - to kill Jews

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GoldenBoy89 · Oct 20, 2025

Servus said:
Left leaning media showing bad ratings for Trump according to around 1500 subscribers.

That’s why you gotta look at more than one poll.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating#

I take it you’re in the 40 something % that still approves of the job he’s doing.

Neogaia777 · Oct 20, 2025

Strong in Him said:
No, it's not.
It's faith in God who keeps his word.

My faith is not in myself, as it would be if I were trying to weigh up my good deeds. It's in Jesus and what he has done. I would not be able to trust God, to have faith in him if I thought there was a chance he might finally reject me one day.
I feel sad for you if you don't know that.

I'm yielding my own judgement to God, and I am fine not completely knowing for 100% certain until then, etc.

But as for you though, and because you place so much value/importance on having to be 100% certain always on this side of life always, just make sure your confidence is 100% in Christ, ok, and not in something else, like something you did, or are right now doing, or maybe things you don't do, or haven't did, or are not right now doing, ok.

God Bless.

RocksInMyHead · Oct 20, 2025

rjs330 said:
I'm wondering why you left out the other stuff.

Because it was irrelevant. I was replying to someone who made the claim "Transgender people are given puberty blockers and/or gotten ready for a lifetime of surgeries and drugs in order to change their gender (their sex)" to point out that it's not the norm - or even especially common. The data that you cited supports my argument.

Apple Sky · Oct 20, 2025

Strong in Him said:
No idea, it was in another thread. Though it's possible that you found his testimony for yourself.

Why would I post it ?

Bradskii · Oct 20, 2025

Fervent said:
It's not a matter of questioning my beliefs, but seeing if you'll put your money where your mouth is. In my experience atheists make bold statements of epistemic confidence...

My bold statement is that no argument presented to me has convinced me whatsoever that there is a God. Your mileage obviously varies. There is no proof available to anyone either for or against the matter. I'll not waste our time in discussing it further.

Fervent said:
Of course, which is why I'm a philosophical skeptic. I don't believe we can justifiably claim to know anything, and at some point everything comes down to faith of one sort or another.

I claim that we can. Sufficiently to live a meaningful life.

Fervent said:
False confidence, since just because they haven't proven wrong yet doesn't mean they will hold. And there is only so much that any individual can check on their own without relying on testimonial reports.

I hold to them with justifiable confidence until I'm proved wrong. And let's be honest. The level of confidence often rises to such a point where it's not valid to say that you're in any doubt.

Fervent said:
So surgeons shouldn't perform surgery?

Please, do not treat me like an idiot. You know exactly what I meant.

Fervent said:
No, they're not "relative" because in any given situation there is a limited number of options that are correct;; they just aren't simple or inherent in the act alone.

All acts are context dependent. If you want to dispute that truism then simply give me an example of an act without any context at all.

Fervent said:
The existence of a objective right and wrong is distinct from our ability to make determinations. Without an objective morality, morals are meaningless and the only moral authority is force.

You're going to force me to donate to charity? How is that going to work?

Fervent said:
Nope, you're conflating access with existence.

You said that we can't determine objective morality. Because gee, it's a swamp out there. What use is it if you tell me it's too difficult to determine, you get different people saying they are using the same source but reaching different conclusions and you can't answer simple moral ptoblems?

What is it that you are trying to support. It seems like smoke and mirrors.

Fervent said:
Perhaps you should take the time to understand the relevance, because my answer is in the question.

No, you gave a different question (Singer's example) that would have an easy answer. Expound on that basic question and tell me at what point I should save the child somewhere instead of having dinner with my wife?

I'm sure you'd tell me what you thought of me if I let the kid drown to save damaging my new shoes. So why is my question so hard? What's the objective answer?

Bob Crowley · Oct 20, 2025

The Catholic Church is one of those churches which believe in closed communion.

The reasons are succintly given in the following explanation.

Why Can't Non-Catholics Receive Communion?

There are two main reasons non-Catholics cannot receive communion at a Catholic Mass: The Eucharist is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ. We...

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Question:
How would I explain to a non-Catholic that her not being allowed to receive the Eucharist is not the Church being exclusive?

Answer:
There are two main reasons non-Catholics cannot receive communion at a Catholic Mass:

The Eucharist is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ. We must be properly prepared to receive it (1 Cor. 11:26-29). A non-Catholic who does not believe in the Real Presence would not be properly prepared to receive the Eucharist.

Notice the word communion. You are asking why those who are not in communion with the Church cannot receive Communion. The word implies a unity and a oneness. Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of faith communities with whom we are not yet fully united are not admitted to Holy Communion.

Asking if Jesus would be admitted to His own table is ridiculous. He is IN the bread and wine on the altar, after the priest calls upon the Holy Spirit to make these gifts holy.

I suppose it does raise one side track question - did He partake of the bread and wine after He distributed it to His disciples in the upper room, or did they drink and eat, and not Him?

BCP1928 · Oct 20, 2025

Servus said:
How is it a Christian issue?

I don't know how, but anti-AGW seems to be associated with Trump's conservative Christian base, who blame AGW on "the Left"

Strong in Him · Oct 20, 2025

Apple Sky said:
No I'm not, who was this someone else ?

No idea, it was in another thread. Though it's possible that you found his testimony for yourself.
Either way, you watched it and know that you did.

Was Charles lying when he said, "Either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history"?
Was he lying when he said that his wife was on the verge of suicide and had tried everything - except Jesus?

Neogaia777 · Oct 20, 2025

@Strong in Him

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in, but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin, because, for one, you're not yielding your own individual judgement to God, and then, for another, it's like you are somehow telling God that he has to let you in, because he's maybe evil or something if he doesn't, because you have evaluated/judged yourself and found yourself somehow completely worthy, and if he somehow doesn't agree with your own evaluation or judgement of yourself, then he's somehow evil, or wicked, or not at all just at all if he doesn't let you in, etc.

God also cannot let all sin slide also, etc.

God Bless.

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