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JosephZ · Sep 2, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Now I see the confusion. You're talking about a shooting in Dayton, OH in a thread titled:

Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

In case you didn't notice, this thread turned into a debate about gun control by the time it reached the third page. The post I made about the shooting in Dayton was to another member 26 pages into what had become a gun control debate and was used to show how certain guns are part of the problem. To which you replied, "See, the police are the solution!" Which made no sense because even when police were on the scene when the shooting started, it still resulted in 9 people being killed and more than two dozen injured.

Carl Emerson · Sep 2, 2025

The Liturgist said:
As do we Orthodox, and also the Assyrian Church of the East and the Ancient Church of the East (whose full titles include the word Catholic). The Eastern Orthodox also regard ourselves as being Roman (hence the demonym Rum for Eastern Orthodox in the Levant, or the area of Europe north of Greece containing the Balkans, Bulgarian and Romania having been called Roumelia by the Ottoman Empire).

That said unlike some I believe the Roman Catholic Church is definitely as Roman as we are, and Catholicity is evinced by the efficacy of your sacraments.

Your church also has officially said the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East have valid sacraments and a valid clergy, and I agree. Regarding the Oriental Orthodox the Antiochian church, who the Melkite Greek Catholics wish to unite with, has an ecumenical agreement with the Syriac Orthodox (who themselves call Antiochians Melkites - in a sense one could call Antiochians “Melkite Orthodox”), whereby Syriac Orthodox and Antiochian faithful in the Middle East are allowed to receive the sacraments in each other’s churches, and to intermarry, but cannot be received into the other church, since the two churches have recognized their mutual validity. A similar but less expansive agreement exists between the Coptic Orthodox and the Alexandrian Greek Orthodox.

In the case of the Assyrian Church of the East, they are sadly the only Eastern church that will always offer the Eucharist to Roman Catholics (their requirement for partaking is believing the Nicene Creed and the Real Presence, that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Christ our Lord). And thus some degree of intercommunion between Chaldean Catholics, who are the mainly Arabic speaking East Syriac Christians centered around Baghdad, and the mainly Aramaic speaking Assyrians of the Church of the East, does happen. The Chaldeans have also sought to merge with the Assyrians. The Chaldeans often have very good liturgics, although I am annoyed at the current Patriarch of Babylon (a title I love, because it seems designed to tick off anti-Catholics) for not wearing the Shash, the traditional headgear also known as the Shashta or Kossita worn by the bishops of Christian churches in Iraq.

What all these churches have in common, in addition to priests who can consecrate the Eucharist, is a profound devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The idea that only a chosen 'ordained' few can validly break bread in remembrance of Jesus cements the concept of a seperate priesthood within the body and establishes the clergy-laity divide. Sadly this in its self works against true unity and opens the door to a power divide that many from a craving to control grab onto (not all)

We know from John 10 that a hired hand is not a Shepherd. We also know that Jesus dismissed the disciple's objection to folks ministering in His Name outside the flock.

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Will it keep him safe from prosecution?

Being in private life offers no safety from prosecution.

Chesterton · Sep 2, 2025

NxNW said:
Does Antifa have an official uniform?

No.

NxNW said:
Is this specified in their Articles of Organisation?

They have no Articles as far as anyone outside antifa is aware.

NxNW said:
Your questions contain questionable assumptions that first need to be clarified.

My question contained no assumptions, but I've answered your questions anyway even though they're irrelevant.

Pommer said:
Good luck with that!

You guys have suggested some kind of conspiracy theory. Why is like pulling teeth to get you to say what the theory is?

iluvatar5150 · Sep 2, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Do we have any evidence that Ilhan Omar has somehow influenced the wine industry, so that her husband's part ownership of the eStCru LLC winery has gained in value? Doesn't look like it. It's financially troubled and likely to be sold off.

Not only have I not seen evidence of her influencing the industry, but I'm not sure they actually own a vineyard. All I could find was a (very) brief story about them coming into possession of a bunch of grapes (I'm legitimately unsure if this story was intended to be true or a joke). Either way, it kinda smells like a small rebranding operation, where they just contract other people to make their booze. The posts on their Facebook and Instagram pages are all really generic and the photos all look like stock photos and/or models.

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Newsom wins against Trump's governmental overreach.

Rule of law wins.

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

Benaiah468 said:
The Israeli military has released the results of the investigation into the attack on Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis. ...The investigation revealed that an anti-tank gun was used in the attack, although a more targeted weapon was initially planned to limit damage to the target area.

AI Overview

Key findings from the IDF's preliminary investigation:

Unauthorized tank fire: Hebrew media reported that the use of tank shells, which ultimately killed a Reuters cameraman and other civilians, was not approved by Southern Command as the situation was not considered an immediate threat. This suggests a breakdown in the chain of command, which the IDF Chief of Staff has instructed for further investigation.
Questioned rationale: The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) noted that the IDF's report failed to explain why a tank fired on a location used daily by visible journalists, or why a second strike was authorized despite first responders being present.

Always in His Presence · Sep 2, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
There is no quote saying they don't need help, either.

Post #3

I never said it was a verbatim quote -

Douggg · Sep 2, 2025

keras said:
Conclusion: 1 Thess 4:16 and 1 Thess 5:1-3 are about 2 separate Days, several years apart. Paul; like the other Prophets, doesn’t put them into their correct sequence.

Paul does put them in their correct sequence.

First, 1Thessalonians4:16-17 is about the resurrection/rapture.

Then, 1Thessalonians5:1-3 is about the beginning of the day of the Lord.

The resurrection/rapture will take place before the beginning of the day of the Lord, when God's wrath will begin to be poured out. The day of the Lord will begin when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4

That act will draw the ire of God, and God will begin to pour out his wrath. Beginning with having the Antichrist (the revealed man of sin) assassinated (Ezekiel 28:1-10).

childeye 2 · Sep 2, 2025

Carl Emerson said:
These verses refer to the True Israel among the Jews driven into exile until 1948 - we are in a late hour. The True Vine - Children of Abraham - not Mary.

When I think of "the mother of us all", I recall these verses:

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
By one poster who contributed 7 out of the 10 posts since October 2024. It is about as alive as Joe Biden during his debate with Donald Trump.

The conflicts of interest are alive and well, but it's true that few are interested in discussing them.

DaisyDay · Sep 2, 2025

Uh-oh! Trump lost posse comitatus case Newsom brought against him. Judge ruled National Guard is not the national police force under Trump's whimsical command.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-newsom-los-angeles-national-guard-d6c8450a3ac2de34e669ef0836d22cbc

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
You guys are all welcome to disprove my suspicions and condemn the Trump family's profiteering over here:

Do we have any evidence that Ilhan Omar has somehow influenced the wine industry, so that her husband's part ownership of the eStCru LLC winery has gained in value? Doesn't look like it. It's financially troubled and likely to be sold off.

In the case you allude to, a politician has greased the wheels for cryptocurrency while owning several cryptocurrency assets.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 2, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
There is no quote saying they don't need help, either.

What Chicago needs is mass incarceration of the criminal class. Then send the funding to whoever is left.

Hentenza · Sep 2, 2025

RocksInMyHead said:
I thought this was common knowledge -

But that has nothing to do with what I posted. I’ll see what I can find about that when I get home tonight.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 2, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Nope. If you pay attention, you'll see it's already been resurrected.

By one poster who contributed 7 out of the 10 posts since October 2024. It is about as alive as Joe Biden during his debate with Donald Trump.

DaisyDay · Sep 2, 2025

Newsom wins against Trump's governmental overreach.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-newsom-los-angeles-national-guard-d6c8450a3ac2de34e669ef0836d22cbc

Trump’s use of the National Guard during Los Angeles immigration protests is illegal, a judge says

In a scathing ruling, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco noted Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth have stated their intention to deploy National Guard troops to other cities across the country, including Oakland and San Francisco, and that raises concerns they are “creating a national police force with the President as its chief.”

Breyer did not require the 300 remaining troops to be withdrawn but pointed out they received improper training and ordered Trump’s Republican administration to stop using them “to execute the laws.” He set the order to go into effect Sept. 12.

Hentenza · Sep 2, 2025

RDKirk said:
Clearly you didn't notice that I've been using "redistribution." Are you claiming that word is not in the dictionary?

Oh, yes, I certainly claim the resources that Jesus has put into the hands of the Body of Christ today are being mismanaged.

About a decade ago I sat in the sanctuary of a big megachurch that hosted for that Sunday a pastor from India. The church had just renovated its atrium area, including putting in a Starbucks-like coffee shop and a $2,000,000 (yes, six zeros) indoor waterfall and decorative pool (reputed to be dual use as a baptismal pool).

The Indian pastor remarked how lovely the indoor waterfall and pool was, but in the course of his sermon, he also mentioned that the annual budget of the average Indian Christian congregation was only $1,000. I was pricked by the Holy Spirit: I myself, all by myself, could fund an entire Indian congregation.

When I found the opportunity, I began doing that.

We are in complete agreement here. As a deacon in my church our pastor sometimes sends us to other churches that need help with administration or financial matters and the first thing I look for is what kind of car the pastor drives and their extracurricular expenditures. The waste sometimes is incredible.

Oompa Loompa · Sep 2, 2025

Richard T said:
So why the infatuation with blue cities with crime but Trump?

Because blue cities, especially ones that have been permanently governed by democrat mayors for the last three decades are some of the most crime ridden. Trump didn't cause the crime problem, democrat policies did, and Trump is going to fix it. BTW, send the national guard to Wichita too.

childeye 2 · Sep 2, 2025

HIM said:
In Romans 10:10 is the clause, "For with the heart man believeth unto (INTO in the Greek) righteousness" connected to verse s 6-8 where it states, Faith speaks on this wise, say not in our heart bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But says, The Word is in our heart and in our mouth. That is the word of faith in which we preach.
And is this the faith that establishes the Law (3:31)and the faith that the Just live by? (1:17)

The objective meaning of faith implies "trust", and it must be pointing to God understood as The Eternal Power, and to His Christ, the True Image of God's Person whom He sent.

Carl Emerson · Sep 2, 2025

Xeno.of.athens said:
I read these words and think, Blessed Mary most highly. She went through a lot.

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
Revelation 11:19-12:2 RSV-CE

she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 12:5-6 RSV-CE

The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus.
Revelation 12:15-17 RSV-CE

I am pleased to be among the "rest of her children".

These verses refer to the True Israel among the Jews driven into exile until 1948 - we are in a late hour. The True Vine - Children of Abraham - not Mary.

durangodawood · Sep 2, 2025

Benaiah468 said:
The Israeli military has released the results of the investigation into the attack on Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis. According to the report, a Golani Brigades unit discovered a camera installed by Hamas that monitored the movements of Israeli soldiers. Based on the assessment that the facility was being used as an observation and control device for enemy activities, authorization for the attack was granted. The goal was to neutralize the threat without extending the operation to civilian areas. Naturally, challenges arise in coordinating and approving military operations in densely populated areas. Hamas systematically misuses civilian facilities for military purposes, making it difficult to distinguish between combatants and civilians. The fatigue and overload of the troops, which can lead to misjudgements, must also be taken into account. The investigation revealed that an anti-tank gun was used in the attack, although a more targeted weapon was initially planned to limit damage to the target area. Don't Hamas members have cameras and press vests? Six of the fatalities were Hamas militants.

Could be. The problem is the Israeli military has every incentive to lie. And I see no reason to believe they wouldnt. Similar with Hamas, or possibly more so. Its frustrating in trying to make sense of this war.

That said, the overall impression is building that the Israeli plan is to hound the Palestinians out of Gaza altogether. To be followed by the West Bank.

Pommer · Sep 2, 2025

NxNW said:
Your questions contain questionable assumptions that first need to be clarified.

Good luck with that!

FAITH-IN-HIM · Sep 2, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Trying to resurrect a dead thread?

In summary, there seems to be a pattern of scrutinizing abuses of power for personal financial gain primarily among politicians one opposes, while disregarding similar actions when committed by those one supports. Remarkably, this partiality is now openly exhibited without hesitation or embarrassment in public discourse.

essentialsaltes · Sep 2, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
oh and if 54 people shot, seven murdered in one weekend is not a sign of needing help

There is no quote saying they don't need help, either.

essentialsaltes said:
The word 'safe' only appears in the headline.

The governor was joined by Mayor Johnson, who insisted that Chicagoans do not want a “military occupation” and that the city is being unfairly targeted. Both leaders argued that what Chicago truly needs is “investment,” not federal intervention.

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