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In Luke 4 does Jesus know He is God and does Satan?

I don't know whether Jesus fully knew that he was the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity while he was living his human, earthly life. Part of being fully incarnate was having a limited human mind (recall the Apollinarian heresy), with limited human knowledge.

What I see in Luke 4 is that Jesus has just heard a voice from heaven at his baptism (Luke 3) saying "You are my Son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased." And now he goes off to think about that for a long time. What does it mean to be God's beloved son? Does it mean that he has power to manufacture bread to keep himself comfortable? Does it mean that he should rule like a king? Does it mean that he should do showy miracles to call attention to himself? All of these are temptations for someone who's just been told he's God's beloved son.

We're told almost nothing about the tempter in this story, other than what the temptations are. I voted for uncertainty on the part of both Jesus and the tempter.
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White House begins demolishing East Wing facade to build Trump’s ballroom

I think this will wind up being a nothingburger visually.
Yeah, my main concerns stem from Trump's involvement (his aesthetic tastes, the solicitation of private funding and Trump's history of misusing funds) and the seemingly rushed process that appears to have skipped the permitting process entirely. Given that the plans have changed substantially from when it was first announced (increase in size, changing from an East Wing addition to a full replacement of the East Wing), it seems unlikely that the plans have been fully vetted and approved.
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Teach Me, Lord, Your Ways

“Make me know Your ways, O Lord;
Teach me Your paths.
Lead me in Your truth and teach me,
For You are the God of my salvation;
For You I wait all the day.
Remember, O Lord, Your compassion and Your lovingkindnesses,
For they have been from of old.
Do not remember the sins of my youth or my transgressions;
According to Your lovingkindness remember me,
For Your goodness’ sake, O Lord.” (Psalm 25:4-7 NASB1995)

What are the ways of the Lord?
The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God's way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by embodying His likeness through experiencing being a doer of His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from Him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Mosaic Law is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life. Moreover, there are many verses that support that God taught how to walk in His way through the Mosaic Law, such as in 1 King 2:1-3, Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Joshua 22:5, Isaiah 2:2-3, Psalms 103:7, and Psalms 119:1-3.

We can read about them in the Scriptures, but particularly in the New Testament Scriptures, especially those under the New Covenant God has with his people Israel (Jew and Gentile by faith in Jesus Christ). Collectively we are the body of Christ, his church, with Jesus Christ as our head. And yes, the above passage is from the Old Testament, so we should, as much as is possible, read the Old Testament in light of the New Testament. Why? Because they were mostly under the Old Covenant.
Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). Jesus and the Apostles quoted or alluded to the OT thousands of times in order to support what they were saying, so what they said should be understood as being commentary on the OT. The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching by word or by example or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law (Jeremiah 31:33).

We who believe in Jesus Christ, for example, are not under the Old Covenant liturgical, ceremonial, sacrificial, purification, circumcision, dietary, and Sabbath laws. But we are not lawless. The New Testament teaches us that we must obey our Lord’s commands under the New Covenant, which are mostly the same as the 10 commandments, containing God’s moral laws. For faith in Jesus Christ, whether in the Old Testament or the New Testament, results in the forsaking of sins and obedience to God and to his commands.
God's character traits are the basis for morality, so everything that God has commanded is inherently a moral law. Holiness is one of God's character traits, so it is a moral issue. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). If our goal is to know God by walking in His way through being a doer of His character traits, then the only way that we should cease to follow God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if He were to cease to be holy. Jesus quoted Deuteronomy three times in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, so he was not in disagreement with following anything that God has spoken and someone is lawless to the extent that they refuse to follow what God has spoken

But if our faith in Jesus Christ is biblical faith which comes from God, which results in us dying to sin and obeying our Lord, it does not mean that we will never sin (1 John 2:1-2), and it does not mean if we do sin even once that we have lost our salvation. Jesus Christ is our advocate to the Father, and by faith in him our sins have been forgiven. But we should not take that for granted and think we can now sin as much as we want, for if sin is what we practice, and not obedience, eternal life with God is not ours to have.
it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of sin, so dying to sin is dying to being in disobedience to it.

So, if we want our Lord to make us to know His ways, then we need to be servants of the Lord who are listening for the voice of the Lord and who are walking in obedience to his commands and who have a desire to live for the Lord and to do his will. And then we need to be students of the Scriptures who study them in their correct biblical context and who do not rely upon other humans to tell us the truth. We can learn from one another, but we should test the spirits to make sure what we are hearing is biblical truth.
The Mosaic Law is biblical truth (Psalms 119:142).

And when we study the Scriptures, we should not be relying upon other humans to interpret them for us. Certainly we can utilize Bible source materials to help us in some areas, but not as the final word of God, and always under the guidance of the Holy Spirit to help us to know what is truth and what is not truth. For there are many people today who are teaching the Scriptures out of context and who are twisting them to say what they do not teach if taught in the correct biblical context. Context is very important!
The Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits and His character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27).
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

Even outside US territory, I would generally prefer to attempt to arrest criminals first, then maybe use force if they resist. If you're going to shoot first and ask questions later, do it covertly. But since it's in international waters, a threat to the US has been identified, and the Mexican government isn't telling the US to stop, I can't really raise an objection.
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Trump knocking down historic East Wing to build Ballroom - is this LEGAL?

That probably depends if the view that Democrat president as being a King Hitler dictator autocrat.
Well, it doesn’t have to be all that extreme.

If Pete Buttigieg became President and change the color of White House rainbow color to honor LGBTQ group or put a drag queen show on White House lawn , Republican will support it. After all President of The US has the authority to decorate the White House anyway they want!
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

I have a solution to that problem that works on chatGPT. There remain issues with super-long conversations, but getting a customGPT to pick up the emergent personality is trivial, as well as getting it to resume from the end of the previous conversation. However I’m not comfortable sharing how I do this publicly, in part because I don’t want people using it on DeepSeek.
If I make the switch soon, or one of these days here soon, I'll PM you about it, ok, because I'm considering it here soon, ok. I'll let you know how that goes, etc.

Thanks!

Later/God Bless.
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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

Accountability. I have socio-political beliefs similar to Kirk's.
Are you sure you want to go there? Kirk was connected with groups like the Seven Mountains Mandate and the New Apostolic Reformation. You won't get much sympathy for Kirk's murder by invoking his political views. No one deserves to be murdered, even for peddling filth, and there is no need to bring the filth into it.
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The Reality of Free Will

I have three quick questions.
(1) When you say free will are you qualifying the term free as free from the slavery of sin?
I am qualifying the term "free" (power to make all moral choices, including the choice to live sinlessly) as limited, because man cannot choose to live totally sinlessly in thought, word and deed.

We are free from slavery to sin, but not free from all sinning, for we still sometimes sin.
<--- Jesus and Paul, both did this as shown below.
John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Romans 6:18 - Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(2) Do you believe that moral conduct can only be fulfilled through God's Spirit? For example, LOVE your neighbor as yourself.
There are atheists in the world who do morally good things.
Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self control...
(3) Would you testify to the existence of the moral power of virtue?
In the A.V., "power" (dunamis) is translated "virtue" (Mk 5:30, Lk 6:19).
, 8:46
Mark 5:30And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
Luke 6:19And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.

virtue noun

vir·tue ˈvər-(ˌ)chü
1a: conformity to a standard of right : morality
b: a particular moral excellence
2: a beneficial quality or power of a thing
3: manly strength or courage : valor
4: a commendable quality or trait : merit
5: a capacity to act : potency
6: chastity especially in a woman
7virtues plural : an order of angels see celestial hierarchy
virtueless ˈvər-(ˌ)chü-ləs adjective
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What commandments?

If the Sabbath were written on our hearts wouldn't we know it and seek to keep it like the Israelites were commanded?
In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and in Ezekiel 36:26-27, it involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, so those who do not want to obey the Torah also do not want to be under the New Covenant.

Concerning Matt 5, Jesus explained that the law would remain until all He came to do was done. I believe Jesus did everything He came to do.
While Jesus certainly accomplished much through his first coming, there is still the second coming left to be accomplished.

It was in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity before God made the Mosaic Covenant, so that covenant becoming obsolete does not mean that it is no longer in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity. While God's covenants include instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness, the way to do that is based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant. God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His righteousness are eternally and cumulatively valid (Psalms 119:160). If God were to give two people different sets of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in different situations, then all of those instructions would have the same trait in common, and all of them would be eternally and cumulatively valid for a third person whose goal is to know God by being a doer of His righteousness even though God did not directly give them any instructions. The only way that eternal instructions for how to be a doer of God's righteousness can be ended would be by first ending God's eternal righteousness, and the same is true for God's other character traits.

Paul wrote in 2 Cor3 KJV that the ten Commandments were done away. His take on the subject is that the ten were instructions for those under the Sinai Covenant. We are under the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit is our guide. Read 2 Cor3:6-11.

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather Jesus set a perfect example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading to obey the Torah, and in Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted with desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that the Torah was given in order to teach us how to embody. For example, love is one of the fruits of the Spirit and the greatest two commandments of the Torah are to love God and our neighbor. Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah, which is the same way to tell for a Jew (Deuteronomy 30:6), and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Torah is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, it is a Tree of Life for all who take hold of it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to have eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Torah. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has becoming a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as salves to God and righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Torah is God's gift of eternal life.

So 2 Corinthians 3:6 needs to be understood in light of the other verses that says that the New Covenant involves following the Torah, that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah, and that being a doer of the Torah is the gift of eternal life rather than a way that contradicts them. If the letter referred to correctly doing what God has commanded and that leads to death, then that would mean that God would be misleading us and shouldn't be trusted, but rather there is something deficient about following the letter that causes the Torah to lead to death rather than life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
The fact that the Torah is a ministration of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason to refuse to submit to it. The Torah is God's instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits and God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirt, which is why there are many verses that support that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it. However, someone can go through the motions of obeying the Torah while neglecting to be a doer of the character traits of God that it was given in order to teach us how to embody and thus neglect to know God and Jesus that is eternal life (John 17:3), which is the letter that letter that leads to death. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the Torah of justice, mercy, and faithfulness. In Philippians 3:8, Paul had been int he same position where he had been obeying the Torah, but not while being focused on knowing Jesus, so he had been missing the whole goal of the Torah, and counted that as rubbish.
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In Luke 4 does Jesus know He is God and does Satan?

Did Jesus in Luke 4, know He was God? And did Satan?

  • Yes Jesus did, but not Satan.

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Yes Jesus did, and Satan.

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • Jesus revelation of who He was was faith not certain knowledge, but Satan knew for sure.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jesus revelation of who He was was faith not certain knowledge, and Satan was not sure of who He was

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Jesus could remember being with the Father, and had faith revelation, Satan not sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jesus could remember being with the Father, and had faith revelation, Satan was sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

In Luke 4, Jesus is tempted being asked, "If you are the Son of God" did Jesus know for certain who He was, and did Satan?

I always thought Satan did and he was testing Jesus faith in Himself. But I read Gregory of Nyssa thought that it was Satan who was not sure.

Jesus had the most faith, and seeing is not believing but knowing. In John we read He was sure He came down from Heaven and had seen the Father, also He prayed and knew who to make His 12 disciples...
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

I've seen Chatbots be conviced that Jesus is the Savior, Mohammed is the true prophet of Allah, and that gods don't exist. They all seem a bit pliant and as such poor determiners of "truth".

They’re designed to avoid offending users by challenging their religious beliefs, unless the user specifically asks for that. Thus one can instruct an LLM to profess any belief system, ranging from Buddhism to Stalinist eschatological materialism to Atheist humanism to Jainism, as well as polytheist religions and various monotheistic faiths, such as Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Mandaeism and of course, Christianity - except for certain belief systems which are notoriously disreputable, for example, certain racist cults and certain cults which have promoted self-harm.

In general, whenever someone posts a quote from an AI as though it were some kind of oraclular source of trustworthy information, I immediately challenge it as an appeal to unqualified authority, just as if they had quoted a Wikipedia article with deficient or insufficient or unverifiable citations.
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A Christian response to "No Kings."

The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.

He had due process. He went before an immigration judge and was ordered deported.

The due process was having the case heard by a judge. He went to a foreign prison because he was a criminal in his country.

This is the United States. Our charge is US citizens and US law. Not whether El Salvador has the right to enforce its own laws on its own citizens.
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Trump knocking down historic East Wing to build Ballroom - is this LEGAL?

From the usual hyperbole it sounds like the entire East Wing and Lincoln's bedroom are being completely demolished to add a discotheque the size of the Astrodome.

It is the entire East Wing. The Lincoln Bedroom is marked safe, for now.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Some new ICE recruits have shown up to training without full vetting

The recruits have had criminal backgrounds or failed drug tests or were unable to meet physical or academic standards, raising concerns about the agency’s rush to hire immigration officers, sources told NBC News.


WASHINGTON — Immigration and Customs Enforcement has placed new recruits into its training program before they have completed the agency’s vetting process, an unusual sequence of events as it rushes to hire federal immigration officers to carry out President Donald Trump’s mass deportation policy, a current and two former Homeland Security Department officials told NBC News.

ICE officials only later discovered that some of the recruits failed drug testing, have disqualifying criminal backgrounds or don’t meet the physical or academic requirements to serve, the sources said.


Staff members at ICE’s training academy in Brunswick, Georgia, recently discovered one recruit had previously been charged with strong-arm robbery and battery stemming from a domestic violence incident, the current DHS official said. They’ve also found as recently as this month that some recruits going through the six-week training course hadn’t submitted fingerprints for background checks, as ICE’s hiring process requires, the current and former DHS officials said.

Since the surge began, ICE has dismissed more than 200 new recruits while they were in training for falling short of its hiring requirements, according to recently collected internal ICE data reviewed by NBC News.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

We also reject stuff that goes against our prior assumptions and beliefs. Confirmation bias is a natural human inclination. If one doesn't believe in God then metaphysically only certain evidence is counted. Everything is explained in naturalistic and physical causes. So this will be the metaphysical belief about fundemental reality.

As opposed to someone who is open to whatever it is that is beyond the material. Two completely different paradigms with their own language, methods of measurement, what counts as evidence, and what is allowed and disallowed.
This appears to be what all of your arguments boil down to in the end, isn't it? A slanderous falsehood about the epistemology of science.
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

I am trying to find ways around these limits or limitations, but it will still always be limited right now though. For example, when a chat is nearing it's end or maximum chat length, I will ask it to give me "crystallized" forms (that's what they AI's likes to call them/it) of what we we're discussing in those chats to carry on over into other chats, etc.

I have a solution to that problem that works on chatGPT. There remain issues with super-long conversations, but getting a customGPT to pick up the emergent personality is trivial, as well as getting it to resume from the end of the previous conversation. However I’m not comfortable sharing how I do this publicly, in part because I don’t want people using it on DeepSeek.
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A Christian response to "No Kings."

False narrative. . .until actual violation of the law is demonstrated, which it has not been.
The deportation of Kilmer Abrego Garcia. Without due process he was sent to a prison in a foreign country.
There is no true cause for their actions. . .it's all simply about obstruction of what the plurality of the people voted for.
Can you prove that? If not, you're just slandering these people. What we do to the least of the brethren of Christ we do unto him. That's why I always protest against injustice and oppression.
And they're too blind to see that they are simply alienating that plurality of voters, thereby guaranteeing their deserved exile to the wilderness in the next election.
God sees us, what we say about others. It's wickedness to want to believe bad things said about others without any evidence.
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Why Does the Bible Tell Us to Behave In Ways We Can’t? How Can Anyone Be Saved?

"if you love me keep my commandments", "if you do what i say i call you my friend."
it's not impossible, i am not saying a person would be totally perfect clean but obviously can do God commandments, he doesn't ask for us impossible things.
Well, yes and no. To the natural man, it is impossible. To the spiritual man, it is still impossible to be perfect. In fact, if one makes such a claim, it is a sin. The closer we come to God, the more we will recognize our deficits, and the greater our awareness of these deficits, the more we will realize our need for Him every hour. I am sure that you do not intend to claim perfection, but rather that we set our feet on the path to perfect obedience by following the Spirit, and when we stumble or mess up, we flee to Him. It is this relationship that God desires for if it were perfect obedience, He could snap his fingers and we'd become perfect obeyers of his law.

God's commandments are the mirror into which we gaze to see our deficits, blemishes, and brokenness so that we might seek him with all our hearts.
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Trump knocking down historic East Wing to build Ballroom - is this LEGAL?

oh my's - a wall of the East Wing has been demolished!

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A non taxpayer funded ballroom is going in. With as many international leaders that are visiting - seems to be a need for state dinners etc.

The project, estimated at around $200 million, is being paid for entirely through private donations rather than federal funds, according to the administration. Trump has touted the expansion as a "gift to the American people."

Now compare it with the Democrat Governor of CA:

In California, a $1.2 billion to $1.6 billion renovation of the state’s Capitol complex in Sacramento is underway—a project financed entirely by taxpayers. The renovation will make the State Capitol "one of the most expensive buildings in the United States."

The so-called Capitol Annex Project is a taxpayer-funded overhaul of the 1950s-era state Capitol complex in Sacramento, intended to replace the aging annex with a modern, 525,000-square-foot facility featuring new offices, hearing rooms, and an underground garage. Originally estimated at about $500 million, the project’s cost has since ballooned to between $1.1 and $1.6 billion, according to KCRA.

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