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FenderTL5 · Nov 7, 2025

prodromos said:
You obviously need prayer.

I readily and openly admit I'm in need of prayers. Have mercy on me the sinner.

I do not believe that the Orthodox message, on any topic, benefits by aligning itself with one of the preeminent voices in our culture favoring Stalin, Hitler, anti-Semitism, and white supremacy. In my not so humble (at the moment) opinion, it diminishes any good that is trying to be conveyed.
Perhaps Chesterson and a few others think the extermination of fellow human beings by the Nazis in WW2 is a real knee-slapper.
I don't see it a laughing matter. ymmv
I'm really disappointed that Fr Josiah, which is someone I do admire, would make such a poor choice.

Apple Sky · Nov 7, 2025

Michie said:
The 85-year-old announced Thursday that she would be bringing her tenure in Congress to a close,

Gosh, 85 years old, hasn't she done well ?

David Lamb · Nov 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
That's not what you asked.

In Post 671, I wrote: "I wonder which part of the book of Job you are thinking of that says the earth is flat." Then in post 677, I wrote: "Well, perhaps you could tell me which of the 44 mentions of earth in Job says that it is a flat disc." So that is what I asked.

FenderTL5 · Nov 7, 2025

Chesterton said:
No need. In our messed up world, their free speech is acceptable and secure.

You think our messed up world would benefit from more free speech admiring of Stalin, Hitler, anti-Semitism, and white supremacist ideolgy?

camille70 · Nov 7, 2025

ICE grabs father by the neck—send him into violent seizure while his arms lock up around his toddler.

"He's having seizure and they're trying to rip the baby out of his hands!"

Agents then handcuff him—before putting in ambulance with his child.

Mother is detained by agents as the original target of arrest during the traffic stop—according to witnesses.

https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1986621853087969599

Apple Sky · Nov 7, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Oh, I know; it fits your beliefs.

No it fits the truth.

Perpetual Student · Nov 7, 2025

BCP1928 said:
These days most of them seem to be Republicans.

According to the article, she wasn't affiliated with any party.

Apple Sky · Nov 7, 2025

David Lamb said:
Well, perhaps you could tell me which of the 44 mentions of earth in Job says that it is a flat disc. As I said, I looked at all 44, and couldn't find one. although I did find a verse that says God hangs the earth upon nothing, which doers fit with the globe earth.

That's not what you asked.

iluvatar5150 · Nov 7, 2025

lol @ the conservatives in this thread clutching their pearls. Rick Scott ran the largest Medicare/Medicaid fraud in history and you all elected him governor and then senator. Oliver North sold guns to Iran so he could fund terrorists in Nicaragua and he’s been a commentator on Fox for years.

This woman won a seat on the city council of a town of 32,000 people.

iluvatar5150 · Nov 7, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
A thread to discuss all the effects of the new Mayor

Parents began planning to take their kids out of NYC schools minutes after Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral win

Since the results of Tuesday’s election came in, school placement consultant Christopher Rim told The Post he’s had no less than 23 clients reach out to him. They’re looking to relocate — and they want his help getting their kids into elite private high schools and middle schools in other states.

“Within the first 30 minutes of AP announcing Mamdani’s victory, I got three messages from families looking to move,” said Rim, founder and CEO of Command Education.

In a city of 8.5 million, they found 23 hand-wringing reactionaries.

That’s barely enough to field a single softball game.

In a city of that size, 680,000 think they could beat up a lion.

Strong in Him · Nov 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Everyone knows what this verse is all about unless of course someone can't read.

What was that you were saying about poetic language? Does the sea have literal doors, or did it burst out of a womb? Job 38:8?
If verse 8 is not literal, what reason have you got for insisting that verse 14 is?

Oh, I know; it fits your beliefs.

Strong in Him · Nov 7, 2025

keras said:
The charge if misreading and misapplying, would stick if Gods plans were all over and what I thought would happen; didn't.
But it's not all over yet by a long way, so your accusations are invalid.

No, they're not invalid.
The scroll and the basket in Zechariah 5 are two different things. They probably are different in the Hebrew too, otherwise translators would not translate them differently.

The scroll was flying and had a message on both sides. The angel explained what it meant - a message was going out over all the land that thieves and liars would be banished.
Then the angel said "look up and see what is appearing". The scroll wasn't appearing, it was there and had already been seen.
It was a basket/measuring container that was appearing. This container had a cover. From the context it is clear that the lead cover covered the opening of the container, because the angel looked inside.
In your scenario, the entire object - which was the same as the scroll and tube shaped - was covered in lead.

Zechariah was speaking God's word for that time. Prophecy is not spiritual fortune telling and is not mainly about the future.
Zechariah described a series of visions - a man among the myrtle trees, a man with a measuring line, Joshua, the high priest, standing before the Lord with clean garments, and so on. All of these things had significance for what the Lord was saying at that time.
You haven't addressed these other visions or even considered the rest of the book - but selected chapter 5 and made it seem as though the Lord was prophesying that Iran would use/have nuclear bombs.

keras said:
Your reason to reject my explanation is because it cannot apply to todays situation, correct?

No, I reject your explanation because the text does not support it.
1. The scroll and the basket are two different objects.
2. The message on the scroll, on one side condemns thieves, on the other, condemns those who speak falsely. Only those two groups of people are condemned - not adulterers, those who worship idols or anyone else.
3. The angel said that the basket was their iniquity (NIV. Many Bibles have the word "appearance" or "sight"/"eye" in this verse) throughout the land. Iniquity = sin; all sin not just thieves and liars.
4. The word basket is also translated as "measuring container". This receptacle is wickedness; "measuring container" suggests that the Lord has been measuring, or keeping count of, their sin.
5. The book of Zechariah begins with the Lord saying that he was angry with their ancestors who did not listen to the prophets who told them to repent. He, the Lord, says "return to me and I will return to you", Zechariah 1:3. The rest of the book seems to be about punishing/blessing the people and also punishing their enemies.

keras said:
No, but flat rejection without a feasible alternative, is unacceptable.

I'm not rejecting the text but your interpretation of it.
I have talked about Zechariah 5 and also about reading Scripture in context and not just applying it to today because you believe that is the right thing to do.
You have rejected that because you seem fixated on the idea that the prophets came to prophesy messages for our future. This prophecy of Zechariah's, you say, needs to be fulfilled, has not yet been and will therefore be fulfilled in the future. With that in mind, you have come up with an interpretation that has the prophet foreseeing that Iran will have nuclear bombs.
No one else anywhere in the NT even hints at such a thing.

keras said:
Why are you here then, discussing end time things?

This is not the Eschatology section of the forum but the Controversial theology section. If it had been in the Eschatology section and I had chosen to go onto that forum just to say that I didn't want to discuss end times - that would be a valid question, because my actions and my words would be at odds with each other.
I was intrigued by the title of your thread, read it and chose to reply saying that I do not agree.

Besides, saying that the Lord has shown me things through his word - i.e taught me - by "end times" is not one of them, does not stop me from commenting on your beliefs about end times.

keras said:
The Lord has opened my eyes to how many of His Words thru the Prophets, will be accomplished.

If they will be accomplished, then they will be accomplished. Iran might even have, and set off, a nuclear bomb.
That still doesn't mean you are correct to say that is the message of Zec 5.

David Lamb · Nov 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
You said ' The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth. '

Well sorry but it does mention the shape of the earth.

Well, perhaps you could tell me which of the 44 mentions of earth in Job says that it is a flat disc. As I said, I looked at all 44, and couldn't find one. although I did find a verse that says God hangs the earth upon nothing, which doers fit with the globe earth.

Aristarkos · Nov 7, 2025

Dan Perez said:
#D Peter was there. to turn these. GENTILE to. BE. Jews

No he was not, read Galatians 2 from the start. Peter feared the judgment of the Jews for eating with gentiles, it was this hypocrisy what Paul called him out on.

Aristarkos

Matt5 · Nov 7, 2025

probinson said:
This is a weird take.

Mamdani needs the tax revenues from rich people to stay to pay for his proposed policies. I'm not sure why you don't understand that.

Maybe driving off the rich is a feature, not a bug. Seems counterintuitive.

If your life revolves around equality, then how does one even explain the rich?

There should be no rich. There can be only one explanation: they cheated. So the rich are the bad guys causing trouble. So why not drive them off?

But you need their money. Economic equality is more important, and so is payback for their crimes.

Bob Crowley · Nov 7, 2025

JimR-OCDS said:
BTW I believe this was in the book written by William Shirer, who was an American journalist who followed
Ghandhi throughout most of his career in India.

I didn't know Shirer had written a book about Gandhi. I read his book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" several times until my paperback copy fell apart.

I thought it was the definite history of the Third Reich.

South African racism, which was the home of Aparthied, had a bearing on his dislike of Christians.

Why Ghandi Didn't Become A Christian | Good News Unlimited

Mohandas Ghandi was surely one of the greatest moral leaders of the modern times. Ghandi was once asked what he thought about Western Civilisation. Gandhi

goodnewsunlimited.com

What many people don’t know is that Ghandi for a period very seriously considered becoming a Christian. He studied the gospels intensely, and it is reported that he even sold Christian Bibles for a time.

In this period, while he was intensely studying the gospel in South Africa, Ghandi heard about a small Christian church in his area, and he decided to attend the church service. But when he arrived, he was stopped at the door by the English elder on duty, who said to him,

“Where do you think you’re going, kaffir?” (Kaffir is a term of racial abuse for dark-skinned people in South Africa.)

Gandhi replied, “I’d like to attend worship here.” Then church elder said to him,

“There’s no room for kaffirs in this church. Get out of here or I’ll have my assistants throw you down the steps.”

Many years later, the missionary Stanley Jones asked Ghandi why he had not become a Christian. Ghandi replied, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

Apple Sky · Nov 7, 2025

Strong in Him said:
How many times do you need to be told that the words AS and LIKE are similes; they are comparing something to something else?
E.g "the clouds were like cotton wool". It doesn't mean that the clouds literally are cotton wool.

Job says that the earth takes shape LIKE clay under a seal - and by the way, seals could be square, rectangular or even star shaped. That doesn't mean that the earth IS clay under a seal - round, or otherwise.
If you believe the first words of that verse are literal, then the rest of it has to be literal too. So how are the features of the earth like those of a garment? How do the buildings, mountains, rivers, seas, waterfalls etc resemble buttons, zips, decorations etc on a garment?

Everyone knows what this verse is all about unless of course someone can't read.

davetaff · Nov 7, 2025

Hi
When we die we go to sleep and remain asleep until the resurrection of the dead. When we sleep we are conscious of nothing until Christ wakes us up.

Love and Peace
Dave

Tom D · Nov 7, 2025

Multifavs said:
I finally wrote a little more of my story, but then I kind of got stuck again. I hope I feel better very soon so I can really get back to writing, start making animations, and do all the other things I've been wanting to do!

It's good to have a creative hobby like writing stories or poems or painting, rather than just watching TV or playing video games. That makes one's life so much more interesting.

Apple Sky · Nov 7, 2025

David Lamb said:
That doesn't prove that the earth is flat. Besides, unless you believe that the sea has literal doors, that the seas burst forth from a literal womb, that the sea is literally dressed in clouds, and has a literal swaddling band, or that death has literal gates and doors, the whole passage is poetic.

You said ' The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth. '

Well sorry but it does mention the shape of the earth.

Christsfreeservant · Nov 7, 2025

“First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:1-4 NASB1995)

What are these entreaties, prayers, and petitions? They can be requests to God for some kind of answers to our questions, or for his guidance in our decision making, i.e. in what direction to go, or for some kind of action to be taken, or for his grace, mercy, strength and wisdom to help us and others in times of need. And it can be praying for the salvation of loved ones or other people we know, or for people we don’t know but who are in positions of authority over other people in the nations of the world, or in the church.

But when we pray, and when we petition our Lord, what we ask for should align with the Scriptures and should not be contradictory to the Scriptures. And when we pray for other people we should have some kind of knowledge of who they are, and what they are about, and regarding their needs or the things that they do. It should take into account their moral character, too. And if they profess faith in Jesus Christ, see what evidence in their character and behaviors supports that they truly are of biblical faith in the Lord Jesus.

And why is that important? So that we are praying according to the will of God, as best as we understand it, and we are not praying against his will. For example, we do have people in positions of governance in our nations who are not good people in character, and who do not exemplify what it means to be a Christian, even if they profess to be Christians. So we should not pray for their success in what they are doing if what they are doing is pure evil. And so we should pray for wisdom to discern good from evil.

And we should not go by what the news media is telling us, or even by what our leaders are telling us about who they are and what they are doing. For honestly we can’t trust them to tell us the truth, for so many of them are not good people in character and in deed. So many are liars, manipulators, tricksters, and sociopaths who disregard others’ rights, and who are deceitful and aggressive, with a reckless disregard for the safety of others, and who are lacking in true remorse, without conscience. So test the spirits!

[Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 24:11-24; Luke 6:26; John 10:1-15; Romans 16:17-19; 2 Corinthians 11:3,13-15; Ephesians 4:11-16; Philippians 3:2; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 1 Timothy 6:3-10; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 1 John 4:1-6; Jude 1:1-25]

So how we pray and what we pray should take into consideration who we are praying for and what they are all about in character, in word, and in deed. For not everyone is who they say they are, sadly so. Many “wolves in sheep’s clothing” and charlatans are among us in positions of power and great influence over the people of the world. And they are government heads, newscasters, pastors of “churches,” CEOs of corporations, famous book authors, and teachers, evangelists, and preachers of the Word of God.

So ask the Lord for wisdom to know who is of God and who is not of God, and who is faking being of God in order to trick, deceive, manipulate, and cause harm to the people of the world. There are many of them! And I am not here to name names, but to bring to our attention that these types of people do exist among us who are not who they profess to be, kind of like the Pharisees of Jesus’ day who Jesus warned his disciples about. And then pray according to the will of God, to the best of your understanding.

[James 1:5-8; James 4:1-10; 1 Peter 3:7; John 15:1-11; 1 John 5:14-15; 1 John 1:5-9; etc.]

Pray, Pray, Pray

Based off Various Scriptures
An Original Work / September 6, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Pray that eyes may enlightened be,
So they may know Christ.
Pray that they may Him better know,
Strengthened by His pow’r.
Pray that they may grasp
How wide and long
And high and deep
Is Christ’s love.
Pray that they may be filled
To the fullness of God’s love.
Pray with thanksgiving.

Pray for an open door for me,
So I may share Christ.
Pray when the gospel is proclaimed –
Shared with clarity.
Pray words are given me so
I declare the gospel fearlessly.
I pray for you to be active
Sharing your faith, too.
Pray continually.

We oft not know for what to pray,
So we ask for help.
The Spirit intercedes for us –
Words cannot express.
Just keep on praying for the saints
With all kinds of requests to God.
Pray they may have faith to
Please their God in ev’ry way.
Pray with joyfulness.

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keras · Nov 7, 2025

Strong in Him said:
It's because you have misread and misapplied Scripture

In your unsupported opinion.
The charge if misreading and misapplying, would stick if Gods plans were all over and what I thought would happen; didn't.
But it's not all over yet by a long way, so your accusations are invalid.

Strong in Him said:
it's because I did read it that I reject your interpretation.

Your reason to reject my explanation is because it cannot apply to todays situation, correct?
This is simply not good enough, if Zechariah 5 isn't for today, then when was or will it be?

Strong in Him said:
Or maybe you just expect us to swallow what you say without question.

No, but flat rejection without a feasible alternative, is unacceptable.

Strong in Him said:
I believe, and know, the Lord has shown me many things through his word - "end times teachings" are not one of them.

Why are you here then, discussing end time things?
The Lord has opened my eyes to how many of His Words thru the Prophets, will be accomplished. My given family name even supports my calling. Kerras, pronounced Keraz. Strongs 8745

Strong in Him said:
if Iran does end up getting a nuclear bomb, firing it and then getting destroyed, or whatever, no doubt you will take delight in the fact that you were "correct".

I will delight in the Lords punishment of the ungodly enemies. Isaiah 66:15-17, Romans 2:18, +

Strong in Him · Nov 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

How many times do you need to be told that the words AS and LIKE are similes; they are comparing something to something else?
E.g "the clouds were like cotton wool". It doesn't mean that the clouds literally are cotton wool.

Job says that the earth takes shape LIKE clay under a seal - and by the way, seals could be square, rectangular or even star shaped. That doesn't mean that the earth IS clay under a seal - round, or otherwise.
If you believe the first words of that verse are literal, then the rest of it has to be literal too. So how are the features of the earth like those of a garment? How do the buildings, mountains, rivers, seas, waterfalls etc resemble buttons, zips, decorations etc on a garment?

David Lamb · Nov 7, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

That doesn't prove that the earth is flat. Besides, unless you believe that the sea has literal doors, that the seas burst forth from a literal womb, that the sea is literally dressed in clouds, and has a literal swaddling band, or that death has literal gates and doors, the whole passage is poetic.

Richard T · Nov 7, 2025

her biggest fault was her help in leading America into a budget and social security funding crisis. I w3ould rank her in the top ten of all time for this. Biden perhaps is number one. Trump seems likely to crack the top ten too. I have not done the measurements lately, but the methodology that I use for determining what USA leaders owe the USA the most because the the debt they let build are based on the following:
US House member, 1/3rd of the blame/435
U.S. Senator, 1/3 of the blame/100
U.S. President 1/3rd of the blame

The blame = the total sum of the public debt that was created in the years they were in power.

It is not perfect, because a few are not so reckless and vote against high flying budgets. I am 99% certain though in Pelosi's case that is not true. Plus a more sophisticated model, would assign her more weight during the years she was Speaker.

by virtue of her longetivity I think she cracks the top ten.

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