About an hour before the meeting was set to start, Trump posted on his social media platform, touting U.S. nuclear capacity and saying he had ordered the Pentagon to resume nuclear testing on an "equal basis" to other countries' testing programs, which will begin "immediately."

The U.S. has "observed a voluntary moratorium on nuclear explosive testing since 1992," according to the Congressional Research Service, though it has maintained the ability to resume the tests.

Take that, Nevada and Utah! Or maybe we can branch out and find some sparsely inhabited part of Minnesota or Delaware to blow up.

Hentenza said:

No. We don’t agree.

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I'm certain that others will notice the reticence. There's still a resistance to actually saying the bad things out loud. It needs quite a few posts to tease out a reply that's anywhere in the neighbourhood of a direct answer.

And this is as close as we're going to get.

You are admitting that if Trump tells you that a person deserves to be killed, then that's simply good enough. Extra judicial executions are now the norm. No evidence is needed. No warning required. No due process to be considered.

This is what was common in Argentina under the junta. It was normal in Franco's Spain. It's what happens now in Russia. But even in those examples, and so many more, those ordering the killings made excuses. They hide the truth. They pretended that someone who had disappeared was nothing to do with them. And people in these failed states pretended to believe them.

But now in the good old US of A? The guy in charge boasts about it. And the chilling fact about this? The terrible outcome of this? It's that you literally don't care.

You are no longer on the path to a failed state. You're there already.

SabbathBlessings said:

I think you have the wrong idea about God’s Sabbath. The Sabbath is about spending time with God on the day God set aside as holy time for us to do so. It’s not about earning anything, it’s about wanting to spend time with God because we love Him, instead of using that holy and sanctified time doing secular things when God asked us not to Isa58:13 Exo20:8-11. The Sabbath is part of the gospel message and has always been. Heb4:1-10, Rev 14:6-12. Worship the Creator who made the heavens and earth and everything in them Rev14:7 Exo20:11 Resting in Him from sin, obeying Him through faith and love.

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One day in 7? Why not everyday all day long?

ViaCrucis said:

For what it's worth, there is a small update. During a small exchange I was asked if I was a Christian, which I affirmed. When asked what sort of church I attended I answered honestly, Lutheran.

I do believe she means well, so for those whose focus was on the details of my story (though I want to emphasize that my intent, originally, was not to focus on the details of my anecdote, but address a larger picture). Though there was some discomfort when she was trying to push a book from her church's tradition (Apostolic) about spiritual warfare. I didn't believe it appropriate, while on the clock, to engage in theological debate; so it was largely an uncomfortable situation. But, I do want to be clear: I do believe her intent is sincere. Though I also believe that if I offered my own frank opinion, she would be offended--which I did not share.

In the same way that my original intent was not to hyper-focus my personal experience; but rather discuss a more general subject. I also don't want this to become a theological quibble. I am more than happy to engage in debates and conversations on the subject of "spiritual warfare" on more appropriate boards here on CF.

But, for whatever it's worth, I want to bring closure to the fact that I do think she means well.

-CryptoLutheran

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I don't think sincerity alone mediates the more problematic issues that come with the hyper-focus on evangelism that so often passes for being missional. It is far too common for well-meaning people to engage in dehumanizing high pressure sales tactics in the name of evangelism, and there's a lot floating around there that rarely gets discussed or reflected upon. You raise an important topic, which ultimately boils down to whether or not we'd want to be subjected to sales tactics that focus more on getting to "yes" than on natural relationship building and following the Spirit's lead on when and where to make a proclamation of the gospel message.

I say this not to denigrate street evangelism, because God works through it all, but to point out that we must look and act like Christ if we are to be effective witnesses. We must pay attention not only to the pathos and logos of our message, but also to the ethos.

Yarddog said:

Other than other world leaders having talked about this before.

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No it was Sgt. Mustard in the kitchen with a candlestick

Novel ... from one of the people who love to make fun of Trump's verbal gaffs.

HARK! said:

Again it's a summary of his writings. It's not that difficult to understand.

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You said:

HARK! said:

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value, zero.” -- Voltaire (1694-1778)

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You didn't say this was a summary. You presented it as an actual quote of his. Now you're trying to claim it was some kind of summary even though you presented it as a bona fide quote.

HARK! said:

How did you like that last Keynes quote? Did you like that one more?

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Well, first, that quote wasn't there when I replied to your message. What you added later via an edit was:

HARK! said:

If you don't like that one; here's another Keynesian one:

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British Lord John Maynard Keynes (the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures) in his book "THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF THE PEACE" (1920).

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Your statement of "the father of 'Keynesian Economics' which our nation now endures" indicates that you don't have a high opinion of him, and if so, that makes you quoting him as evidence seem a bit odd.

Now, the simple fact a famous historical figure (whether it be Voltaire, Keynes, Lincoln, or someone else) happened to say something doesn't mean much of anything in terms of whether it was true or not. However, if one is going to quote a historical figure, it's very important that someone quote them properly, and not give false quotes they didn't say. That is my problem here.

As for this Keynes quote, this one is inaccurate as well. It is, to be fair, an edited version of something he actually said, but still an inaccurate quote. Here is what he said:

"If, however, a government refrains from regulation and allows matters to take their course, essential commodities soon attain a level of price out of the reach of all but the rich, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent, and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer."

The inaccurate quote you offer rewords the beginning and then cuts out the middle half of the sentence without using anything to show that is the case (such an ellipsis).

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How about this one?:


"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln in a letter from to Col. William F. Elkins, November 21, 1864

I don't need Abe to tell me about what I can see with my own eyes.

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Well, if you don't need Abraham Lincoln to tell you something, what does it matter if he said it or not? However, we run into the problem that this quote appears to be a total hoax, as explained here:

So you've given three quotes. The first one, attributed to Voltaire, appears false, or at least no one can point to the source. The second one, from Keynes, is more accurate, but still is edited and cuts out half of the sentence. The third one appears very much to be a total fraud.

I must ask at this point: Why do you accept vague Internet quotes like this so easily? Why don't you make sure they're real before spouting them off? Do you not care if you falsely ascribe words to someone that they did not say?

In fact, speaking of Abraham Lincoln, he had very wise words on this very subject:

Lol. Saw rhat video. American law enforcement.

For what it's worth, there is a small update. During a small exchange I was asked if I was a Christian, which I affirmed. When asked what sort of church I attended I answered honestly, Lutheran.

I do believe she means well, so for those whose focus was on the details of my story (though I want to emphasize that my intent, originally, was not to focus on the details of my anecdote, but address a larger picture). Though there was some discomfort when she was trying to push a book from her church's tradition (Apostolic) about spiritual warfare. I didn't believe it appropriate, while on the clock, to engage in theological debate; so it was largely an uncomfortable situation. But, I do want to be clear: I do believe her intent is sincere. Though I also believe that if I offered my own frank opinion, she would be offended--which I did not share.

In the same way that my original intent was not to hyper-focus my personal experience; but rather discuss a more general subject. I also don't want this to become a theological quibble. I am more than happy to engage in debates and conversations on the subject of "spiritual warfare" on more appropriate boards here on CF.

But, for whatever it's worth, I want to bring closure to the fact that I do think she means well.

-CryptoLutheran

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You do realize there is very little in the political spectrum we are going to agree on. What you call childish behavior by Trump is his response to the same kind of behavior from liberals who tee up the ball for him to knock out of the park. Trump is trolling gullible liberals who continually give him reason to do so. You spend all of your time complaining about Trump while ignoring the provocations of liberals.

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Have you considered it’s the liberals who are triggering him? I mean if he responds in kind every time he becomes pretty predictable, right?

Nithavela said:

Don't know which thread you've been reading, but in this one, there are plenty of people who's general tone of post is "Well, shouldn't have colaborated. Hamas did what they had to.".

I believe that you personally feel different, but don't pretend that people on the left that defend those killings by hamas don't exist in meaningful numbers.

It's okay. You don't have to make their opinion your own just because you share a lot of other opinions.

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I did catch that after the fact. And am saddened by it. I don't believe that defending Hamas aids the Palestinian cause. I support Palestine, and more importantly I support Palestinians--but Hamas is objectively wrong. And defending Hamas is ultimately hurtful, harmful, and discredits meaningful support for Palestinian people who suffer.

-CryptoLutheran

Everything is being overcomplicated nowadays. I don't understand why I have to answer 10-15 yes or no questions to pump gas, but for some reason the station with the lowest prices near me asks everytime. Printers are notoriously finicky, so adding a whole login process to it sounds extremely onerous.

Strong in Him said:

Oh, so he's coming back twice?

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The Lord will not be seen on His terrible day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 11:4-6..... He SENDS fire to destroy His enemies. Habakkuk 3:4, +

Strong in Him said:

So now the Lord's coming back in 36 years, not between 15-20?
You think you're going to live to be 120?

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I hope to be with Jesus in the Millennium, in 15-20 years.

Genesis 6:3 says it is possible; Moses did it. Also, Isaiah 65:20 tells us people will live for much longer in the Millennium. I believe our atmosphere will have a higher proportion of Oxygen then.

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If you think that being in heaven is about your good deeds - forget end times, you've got fundamental problems.

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I worded my reply incorrectly. As a believer in Jesus, I have His Promise of Eternal life, John 3:16 With God, on the new earth. Rev 21:1-7

If ' jumping to conclusions' was an Olympic event, you would get the gold medal.

The politicians usually seem aloof.

ALOOF

It could be a variety of things such as the first several digits being the site code of the library itself.

DragonFox91 said:

It's all play. You can't add or subtract an hour from the day. It's dark either way

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I'm not sure the legitimacy of the attribution, but I have heard about an old native response to daylight savings time, where he said, "Only the white man would think that by cutting two inches from the top of a blanket and sewing it on the bottom he has given himself a longer blanket."