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A New Dawn · Jul 14, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
A factual account of the roles played by Democrats and conservatives regarding the issue of American slavery.

However, it is irrelevant in current politics.

Until 1964, the Democratic Party in the United States was generally associated with more conservative positions. Historically, Democrats opposed policies such as the abolition of slavery and women's suffrage, and much of their support was based in the Southern states—regions now often referred to as "red" or conservative. Conversely, until 1964, the Republican Party was recognized for its progressive and liberal stances; Republicans were prominent advocates for abolition, women's voting rights, civil rights, and opposition to segregation, with strong representation in what are now considered "blue" states.

The political landscape shifted significantly after Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat with conservative views, signed the Civil Rights Act. Over time, many individuals in the South who had identified as Democrats transitioned to the Republican Party, while those in New England, previously Republicans known for their progressive and elite backgrounds, became members of the Democratic Party.

My family has been Republican since I can remember, probably around the early 60s. There wasn’t a progressive bone in them. And Kennedy was progressive and embraced the civil rights movement, and the only reason LBJ signed the civil rights bill was because Kennedy was so keen on it, not because he had a soft spot for blacks, because he was the most racist president in modern terms. He knew that would keep the blacks coming back to vote for them for years. He was counting on 200 years, though it’s only been about 50 and they are starting to turn away because they see how those failed policies have not helped them move forward.

So, like I said, if there was an ideological switch, it has reverted. The left is STILL trying to keep the blacks under their thumb. They can’t through chattel slavery, but they can through economic slavery.

BNR32FAN · Jul 14, 2025

Tuur said:
I don't know the best place for it. I almost posted this as a reply to a thread outside the Christians only section, then figured it would do no good at all.

The issue is the flash flooding on the Guadeloupe River in Texas that has claimed an number of lives. Supposedly the AP claims that amount of rain wasn't in the forecast, but there's a clue in a rise of 28 feet (8.5 meters) in an hour. You only get something like that from rainfall if there is a flash flood. Flash flooding depends on terrain and condition of the soil. We have occasional flash flooding here, but it's after the ground is saturated and it's due to isolated heavy rainfall. In hilly terrain, the shape of the ground "funnels" rain to lower areas, and you have inches of rain become feet of flash floods.

Maybe because I'm not out West, but I don't think I've ever seen a forecast calling for flash floods. I don't think I've even see a flash flood watch. I've seen flood watches and forecasts warning of a potential of flooding, and I've seen flash flood warnings. The latter is when there's a flash flood right at that instance and get to higher ground immediately.

A check quickly came up with the National Weather Service issuing an "emergency" flash flood warning for the Guadeloupe (I thought all flash flood warnings were emergencies) in the early morning hours of July 4. That was from The Weather Channel and some sources local to the event. That fits with what I've seen ever since we heard of flash flood warnings on radio and TV. Here the warnings just pop up as they happen. Some aren't issues. The rainfall in half an hour that exceeded our range gauge capacity? No flash flood warning. When a creek overflowed a culvert and went over a road? No flash flood warning. But there was in the area of the Guadeloupe. The cite from the AP was that there was no forecast of the amount of rain. Yet there were flash flood warnings.

The claim in the post in the other part of CF is that this is all due to cuts in the NWS. But the tragedy that happened on the Guadeloupe fits what I've seen years ago. That creek that went over the road due to heavy rain? That was back in 2008 or 2009 or 2010. Add to it that the warning came in the early morning hours, and you have people not being aware of it. If you have a weather radio, it has to be set to the right station and it has to pick up the signal to get warnings. Cell phone alerts depend on the tower. Just because you get a warning doesn't mean that it will be picked up. Because there's a warning doesn't mean it will get heard.

A check, though does show that there was a flood watch issued the day before, and later extended to 1 PM Friday, July 4. Here's one link: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/weather/article/weather-san-antonio-flood-watch-20420566.php

Here's a link to the extension:

https://x.com/NWSSanAntonio/status/1941038559386820616

This doesn't match what is posted in the non-Christians only section and gets to the topic of false witness. If the AP article is correctly cited, then there is no mention of the forecasts cited above. If the issue are budget cuts, then what of the instances I've related where there were no warnings at all? And if these things are known, why not report them?

As I said, I almost posted this in the non-Christian sections and figured it would do absolutely no good at all. All it would do would bring accusations of being a Trump apologist or some sort, even with the cites above. But if we have reason to think information is reported in error, do we have a responsibility to point that out? Or is is such a lost cause that we should say nothing at all.

For me if I see someone posting an error I just post the evidence that corrects the error.

Dan Perez · Jul 14, 2025

Maria Billingsley said:
Ulta is teaching that geopolitical Israel will basically be blameless on the last day regardless of their repentance towards Jesus Christ of Nazareth in other words, their nationality saves them not the Messiah. Here is a breakdown by John Hagee, the leader of ultra Dispensationalism:

John Hagee teaches that geopolitical Israel, due to God's unconditional and eternal covenants with the Jewish people, occupies a unique and favored position in divine prophecy, fundamentally distinct from "non-believers" (understood as unredeemed individuals or nations outside of God's chosen covenants). He asserts that while Israel may experience periods of chastisement or refining, these are not for ultimate condemnation but rather to lead them to national repentance and fulfillment of their destiny. Hagee maintains that God's ultimate plan for Israel is restoration, protection, and exaltation during the Millennial Kingdom, where they will be the preeminent nation, and that judgment will primarily fall upon other nations based on how they have treated Israel, aligning with the "sheep and goats" judgment in his eschatology.

And a friend of mine. gave my address to an ULTRA group years ago and they have sent me there small booklet.

since then and we did have an. ULTRA. here for a while. !

And I did ask. him a question and he left !!

dan p

Always in His Presence · Jul 14, 2025

Fervent said:
Ah yes, as Jesus taught "Do unto them as they do unto you."

Make up your mind. Are we a Christian nation or not?

Bring my Lord into the political realm then if you follow Jeses you have to take a stand against killing babies in the womb and sexual perversions that rally around the rainbow flag.

Which is it?

essentialsaltes · Jul 14, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
If the president really felt there was some injustice going on, I think the usual step would be targeted sanctions of some sort. But Trump's favorite hammer is tariffs and now anything he doesn't like looks like a nail.

Look, another nail!

Trump admin live updates: Trump threatens 100% tariffs on Russia

Trump ... threatened to impose "very severe tariffs" on Russia if there was no peace deal with Ukraine within 50 days.

FreeinChrist · Jul 14, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I do not have complete information, so I cannot determine whether President Trump was confused.

However, different media outlets and political groups are likely to interpret the situation in varying ways.

Networks such as MSNBC and CNN will repeatedly show this footage and raise questions about the President's mental acuity or health. In contrast, Fox News will present this as a positive moment for President Trump, especially among younger Americans, and suggest that Democrats are losing support from youth voters.

Among the general public, some Democratic and liberal individuals will question the President's cognitive state, while conservative will defend him and call the critic “you are Trump hater, you are Trump hater, you are Trump hater”.

The video in the OP shows Trump along with the FIFA president presenting the trophy, then the FIFA president trying to get Trump to get over to the side at least. He eventually gets him to the back and then off the stage. It was more than awkward.

While presidents and leaders of other countries have participated in giving the trophy, they were all aware enough to get off to the side and off the stage because it is all about the winners of the event.

https://people.com/trump-booed-fifa-club-world-cup-awkward-moment-11771588

The crowd's reaction to Trump wasn't his only awkward moment of the match. When Chelsea was presented the FIFA trophy, Trump stood front and center — right in front of Cole Palmer, the team's star player who made two of the team's three goals in the game.

Though Infantino encouraged Trump to step aside to let the team celebrate in the spotlight, the president stayed put....

During the celebration, according to Time, Chelsea's captain Reece James appeared to ask Trump, "Are you going to leave?"

It was simply awkward for the president to do that.

BNR32FAN · Jul 14, 2025

Tuur said:
I don't know the best place for it. I almost posted this as a reply to a thread outside the Christians only section, then figured it would do no good at all.

The issue is the flash flooding on the Guadeloupe River in Texas that has claimed an number of lives. Supposedly the AP claims that amount of rain wasn't in the forecast, but there's a clue in a rise of 28 feet (8.5 meters) in an hour. You only get something like that from rainfall if there is a flash flood. Flash flooding depends on terrain and condition of the soil. We have occasional flash flooding here, but it's after the ground is saturated and it's due to isolated heavy rainfall. In hilly terrain, the shape of the ground "funnels" rain to lower areas, and you have inches of rain become feet of flash floods.

Maybe because I'm not out West, but I don't think I've ever seen a forecast calling for flash floods. I don't think I've even see a flash flood watch. I've seen flood watches and forecasts warning of a potential of flooding, and I've seen flash flood warnings. The latter is when there's a flash flood right at that instance and get to higher ground immediately.

A check quickly came up with the National Weather Service issuing an "emergency" flash flood warning for the Guadeloupe (I thought all flash flood warnings were emergencies) in the early morning hours of July 4. That was from The Weather Channel and some sources local to the event. That fits with what I've seen ever since we heard of flash flood warnings on radio and TV. Here the warnings just pop up as they happen. Some aren't issues. The rainfall in half an hour that exceeded our range gauge capacity? No flash flood warning. When a creek overflowed a culvert and went over a road? No flash flood warning. But there was in the area of the Guadeloupe. The cite from the AP was that there was no forecast of the amount of rain. Yet there were flash flood warnings.

The claim in the post in the other part of CF is that this is all due to cuts in the NWS. But the tragedy that happened on the Guadeloupe fits what I've seen years ago. That creek that went over the road due to heavy rain? That was back in 2008 or 2009 or 2010. Add to it that the warning came in the early morning hours, and you have people not being aware of it. If you have a weather radio, it has to be set to the right station and it has to pick up the signal to get warnings. Cell phone alerts depend on the tower. Just because you get a warning doesn't mean that it will be picked up. Because there's a warning doesn't mean it will get heard.

A check, though does show that there was a flood watch issued the day before, and later extended to 1 PM Friday, July 4. Here's one link: https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/weather/article/weather-san-antonio-flood-watch-20420566.php

Here's a link to the extension:

https://x.com/NWSSanAntonio/status/1941038559386820616

This doesn't match what is posted in the non-Christians only section and gets to the topic of false witness. If the AP article is correctly cited, then there is no mention of the forecasts cited above. If the issue are budget cuts, then what of the instances I've related where there were no warnings at all? And if these things are known, why not report them?

As I said, I almost posted this in the non-Christian sections and figured it would do absolutely no good at all. All it would do would bring accusations of being a Trump apologist or some sort, even with the cites above. But if we have reason to think information is reported in error, do we have a responsibility to point that out? Or is is such a lost cause that we should say nothing at all.

I actually posted a comment and a link in that thread showing that they were issuing flash flood warnings starting on July 3rd in those areas and it specifically states that the NWS was not understaffed they actually had extra personnel on staff during the storm.

National Weather Service shares timeline of alerts ahead of catastrophic Texas flooding

NWS says Flash Flood Warnings were issued on July 3 and early July 4 in Central Texas, giving more than three hours of warning.

www.nbcdfw.com

Fervent · Jul 14, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
The very moment the left stops, I will also.

Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

Ah yes, as Jesus taught "Do unto them as they do unto you."

essentialsaltes · Jul 14, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

The bipartisan immigration bills that Trump torpedoed.

Douggg · Jul 14, 2025

Spiritual Jew said:
How does this line up with Paul teaching that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Jesus returns, as he did here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul taught here that the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality was Christ's was first and then, next in order, are "they that are Christ's at his coming". That's it. He did not teach a separate bodily resurrection of "martyred great tribulation saints".

You contradict scripture by saying that the first resurrection is something other than what scripture itself says it is, which was Christ's resurrection itself, as can be seen in verses like 1 Corinthians 15:20 and this verse...

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Since scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection, then having part in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6) must relate to having part in Christ's resurrection. The way in which someone has part in Christ's resurrection, the first resurrection, is this...

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

In 1Thessalonians4:14-18, Paul reveals the resurrection/rapture that will take place. In 1Thessalonians5:9-11, Paul continues as to when - before God's wrath is poured out as the day of the Lord begins. The day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation described in 2Thessalonians 2:4.

1Thessalonians5:
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Yarddog · Jul 14, 2025

Michie said:
Today, the idea of counting patriotism as a virtue makes a lot of people antsy and uncomfortable. But that wasn’t always the case. Aspiring to the love of God and country was the norm for most of human history. And until rather recently, every culture celebrated its great patriots in art, literature, music and film. The classic movies produced during World War II — and then about it — are enduring examples of how we expressed our patriotism before patriotism itself got a bad rap.

But something changed in the United States when the children of the “Greatest Generation” reached adolescence. With body-bag counts from Vietnam reported daily on the 6 o’clock news and the Watergate hearings overriding regular daytime programming on television, almost everyone under 30 struggled to find any reason to be proud. For kids in elementary school like me, the ambivalence permeated everything.

Our fathers and grandfathers fought evil in Europe and the Far East and defeated it at great personal cost. But the society at large was intent on proving that we didn’t owe them anything. The fourth commandment — “honor your father and your mother” — no longer applied. Consequently, I didn’t witness much patriotism until Ronald Reagan was elected president. And when I finally did, it frightened me.

In those years, we were told (in both direct and oh-so-subtle ways) that America’s best days could only be found in history books, but that what was written in those books was misleading.

Our nation was troubled from the start, rife with broken promises at home and prone to arrogant bullying abroad. Strong countercultural forces peddled the narrative that America had little to be proud of and a lot to be ashamed of.

Loving one’s neighbor

Continued below.

The virtue of patriotism

Patriotism was once seen as a virtue grounded in love, but cultural shifts have cast it in a negative light, obscuring its purpose.

www.oursundayvisitor.com

I think that I'd disagree somewhat. I am a baby boomer, a child of the Greatest Generation.

My Dad was a Sargent during WWII and Korea. All my friends had Father's, uncles, etc. that were veterans. I listened to them talk about their service then, as compared to later conflicts.

It seemed that America was changing as our position in global events were changing. Prior wars were about defending our country from those that had attacked us. But, from Korea on, it was about protecting our interests abroad and wars weren't won anymore. Thousands of their children dying for what?

It's easy to be patriotic when protecting family from attack but hard when seeing your children dying for nothing.

Always in His Presence · Jul 14, 2025

Fantine said:
One problem with your theory is that Trump is undermining an alienating our European allies.

Complete fabrication. The EU is embracing President Trump and openly applauding his leadership

Fantine said:
They are meeting with Canada and all of them are trying to be prepared for a world in which the United States is no longer allied with them.

Complete fabrication. Unless you provide substantiated proof of course

Fantine said:
They deem Trump to be dishonest, untrustworthy, and megalomaniacal (as do many Americans.)

Complete fabrication based on a perceived political bias.

Fantine said:
So with alienated allies and the up and coming economies forming a megolithic bloc against us Trump's bad deals won't have any takers.

Complete fabrication: President Trump has signed deals with a number of Nations in Europe and Asia already.

Fantine said:
How foolish 49.9% of Americans were to have put us in this woeful position.

Wrong

DaisyDay · Jul 14, 2025

Larniavc said:
I dunno- I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but isn't this just him wanting to make it about him more than is cognitive impairments?

Both maybe?

Earthbear · Jul 14, 2025

ThatDumbChicken said:
I heard this said once "Don't forget in the darkness, what you learned in the light". He is your Lord. He is your savior. Don't let your emotions drive you away from what you know as Truth. Get some sleep. Get some exercise. Get a cup of coffee and a nice meal. Rest in Him.

ThatDumbChicken is right!

essentialsaltes · Jul 14, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
The suspect has been identified as 47-year-old Guy House, police announced on Monday.

A official briefed on the investigation told ABC News that the suspect had a history of mental health, drug and anger issues. He had had a domestic situation with an ex-girlfriend who then filed protection orders against him, the official said.

The victims are the mother and sister of the mother of the perp's children. [not certain if that is the same as the ex-girlfriend, but seems pretty plausible.]

Gunman ID'd After Killing 2 in Kentucky Church — and Making Chilling Remark Upon Learning Intended Target Wasn't There

The outlets reported that two people were killed in the shootings: mother and daughter Christina Combs, 34, and Beverly Gumm, 72. The victims were connected to the shooter — Combs is the sister of the mother of House’s children, and Gumm is their mother.

The Herald-Leader reported that House entered the church and demanded to see the mother of his three children. But he was told by one of Gumm’s other daughters, Star Rutherford, that she wasn’t there. Rutherford told the Herald-Leader that House then said: “Well, someone is gonna have to die then.”

[The two surviving male victims are the husbands of the deceased, with one being the pastor of the church.]

RocksInMyHead · Jul 14, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Must have missed it somehow.

See post #77. It was also heavily implied in #105. He's a hardcore Dispensationalist/Christian Zionist.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 14, 2025

The Barbarian said:
Perhaps you'd be more effective if you told us which of His teachings or which of the points of the AI document do you find objectionable. Tell us about it.

How about just answering my question and tell us what you think? You brought it up, and now you seem to be trying to distance yourself from it. It's your hijack; take responsibility for it. Why not just step up and answer? I think you'd be more effective if you told us which of His teachings or which of the points of the AI document do you find objectionable. Tell us about it.

So you cannot explain the difference between Jesus's teachings and the enlightenment? I could think of one difference. Enlightenment and liberal secularism respects all religions as equal and prohibits violence or coercion against them. Our Lord used said force against those he thought were blaspheming in the temple. Jesus would be arrested under the American system if it were to happen in the USA. Yet we know our Lord was right to use such force against the money changers.

Would you consider this a misalignment between Christian values and enlightenment/liberal values?

The Barbarian · Jul 14, 2025

Fantine said:
The lieutenant governor said there were no sirens, and I accept him at his word, acknowledging some guilt on their part.

It's not going to be one failure or one person on whom we can put all the blame. From the Dept. of Homeland Security on down, there were plenty of failures in the process that led to all these deaths.

BNR32FAN · Jul 14, 2025

d taylor said:
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If The Bible formed everyone's theology then all would have the same beliefs.

Yeah that’s not true at all because you know that you and I have completely opposite interpretations of many passages like 2 Timothy 2:12 and John 6:37-40 for example. Were both reading the same text yet were coming up with completely opposite interpretations.

JustaPewFiller · Jul 14, 2025

A bump to the thread as some more news has came out..

MSN

In short, the camp leader did get a warning on his phone around 1:14am. Then conferred with his family and employees on what to do and started evacuations at 2:30am. By then it was too late.

Cell reception is evidently spotty at the camp at best. Also, campers were not allowed to have cell phones and counselors had to keep their phones locked up. So, there were limited people at the camp that could have gotten the warnings due to the camp's policy.

Spiritual Jew · Jul 14, 2025

Douggg said:
The resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18 will be before the great tribulation begins. Thus, I agree that them resurrected in Revelation 20:4, the martyred great tribulation saints, will not be resurrected until after Jesus returns.

How does this line up with Paul teaching that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Jesus returns, as he did here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul taught here that the order of resurrections unto bodily immortality was Christ's was first and then, next in order, are "they that are Christ's at his coming". That's it. He did not teach a separate bodily resurrection of "martyred great tribulation saints".

You contradict scripture by saying that the first resurrection is something other than what scripture itself says it is, which was Christ's resurrection itself, as can be seen in verses like 1 Corinthians 15:20 and this verse...

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Since scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection, then having part in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6) must relate to having part in Christ's resurrection. The way in which someone has part in Christ's resurrection, the first resurrection, is this...

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Larniavc · Jul 14, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
They're annoyed because they can't do things like annexing neighbors, fund terrorism, pollute out the wazoo, and run sweatshop economies without risk of getting sanctioned,

To be fair that's pretty much America over the decades, too.

DaisyDay · Jul 14, 2025

A New Dawn said:
All states aren’t required to ratify an amendment for it to become part of the Constitution, and, thus, law of the land. You pointing it out doesn’t change anything.

And last I knew, Mississippi was part of the south, the second state to secede from the union. And you are questioning why they didn’t ratify the 13th Amendment???

They did ratify the 13th Amendment - didn’t you read the post you quoted???

A New Dawn said:
The only people whitewashing anything are those people who pick and choose what they want to push as the “accepted” narrative who then suppress anything that points to a different reality and then tries to gaslight everyone into not believing what their eyes are seeing, and when that doesn’t work, to sic the DoJ on people to silence them. You know what I’m saying, straight out of the leftists playbook, time after time.

It’s the current DOJ that is trying to threaten people into silence.

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