johansen said:

Where does the old spirit go?

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Well, let's say you have old paper, and you want to have new paper which is more useful than the old paper was when first created. The old paper does not have to go anywhere. It can be processed with added substances to turn it into new desirable and very usable paper which can do more and better than when it was first created.

So, how does this work . . . like this . . . for getting a new spirit? What I have with scripture is > first, God joins the old spirit person to Himself >

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

This union is almighty, because God is almighty in bringing about this union. And His almighty power has His effect on that spirit . . . changing it to become like the character of God's love. So, in prayer we do well to seek this correction and transformation of ourselves with one another in Jesus.

Every person grows and matures in this . . . because of being in union with God Himself in the character of His love >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, what has happened is God has joined someone's spirit to Himself,
and now God is ***s~h~a~r~I~n~g*** with that person, spiritually,
so the person becomes how God is in love.

It is like how you can join an electrical wire to a stove burner. At first, the burner is old and cold. But once it is joined to the electrical cord with its very great energy, the energy of the cord can pass into the burner and turn it red hot. The character of the burner is changed by the electrical power; like this, God in us changes our character so we share with Him in how His love is. And this makes us like Jesus who is so pleasing to our Heavenly Father.

So, the old-spirited person trusted in Jesus and then was transformed . . . warmed in God's love with almighty power. So then was when what was old is not so, any longer.

God's grace is the action of God doing this, and then each of us in Jesus can spread this grace to other members of the body of Jesus, ministering how this grace changes our character to be like Jesus so we love like Jesus, while pleasing our Father by being like Jesus.

Now - - - in a human . . . there is stuff that leaves, as God changes the person.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment." (in 1 John 4:18)

So . . . while the human's own spirit does not go anywhere . . . the evil spirit of fear and other anti-love things does get sent on its way to where it will spend eternity. There is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," we have in Ephesians 2:2. This spirit of Satan and selfishness is removed by God, with its nasty and negative and naughty drives and wrong ways of reacting > this is what will go to hell - the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone. But the person's spirit stays to be changed by God who burns away the evil stuff while correcting and warming us in His love with almighty power to keep us.

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

God in us drives out fear . . . burning it away > making Satan and his mean and nasty stuff flee . . . burned from us, even >

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice." (Ephesians 4:31)

A practical part of this, then, includes how God is the One able to put away anti-love things from us; because He is almighty to get rid of any wrong emotions and feelings and thoughts and imaginations. And while burning away things which are Satanic and cruel, He transforms us and warms us in His love and His way of loving generously and kindly > as our next verse says >

"And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:32)

Tropical Wilds said:

By that logic, why have any laws at all? The solution to drunk driving is to remove the desire to drink... Go to God. The place to correct the desire to steal is God, not with laws to stealing... Go to God. The place to correct child abuse is to remove the desire to hurt children... Go to God.

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it's currently against the law in all 50 US states, and in US territories, to commit murder. Yet we still have murders. At best, laws against murder serve to remove those who commit murder from society, usually by incarceration. As a deterrent to murder, maybe not so much. But even removing murderers from society does nothing to prevent the murder that hopefully they are arrested for soon after committing.

The most restrictive environment I can think of is a prison. And yet I saw where prison murders are soaring in the State of Georgia this year. I found one article on the Atlanta Journal Constitution, but it's behind a pay wall. That alone shows that if someone is willing to murder, they'll do so by whatever means they can. If you can deal with that desire to murder, then you deal with the problem of murder regardless of the means it's committed.

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A New Dawn said:

No, the US is a Constitutional Republic.

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Which is a type of democracy.

This is a little like arguing that this isn't a horse, it's a Galloway pony.

A republic is a system of representative government where power comes from the people through their elected representatives. A constitutional republic is one where the power of these representatives is bounded by a set of laws (a la, a constitution).

There are republics that are not democracies and there are democracies that are not republics. It's a non-exclusive categorisation.

A New Dawn said:

The founding fathers purposely made sure that we were NOT a democracy because democracies always end in totalitarianism or communism.

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The US founding fathers knew nothing of communism, given that even the oldest forms of such post date the writing of the US constitution by ~50 years. And the forms of totalitarianism they were familiar with were monarchic and/or theocratic.

A New Dawn said:

Mob rule is the norm in a democracy, and we see how that was starting to happen under the left’s push for “democracy” over the Constitutionally guaranteed republic.

The only place “democracy” is utilized in our nation is that is how our representatives are elected. Otherwise we are NOT a democracy.

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Huh? Do you realise you've said, in effect: The only place where we are a democracy is where we practice democracy to elect our government leaders.


The mind reels at the basic failures of history and civics.

I agree, I think music is like a language like math. It seems those who understand math see it as a beautiful code or language of the universe or even nature itself.

I think there are patterns in music that go together like certain math formulas or sets. If you look at the Mandelbrot set and how it goes on and on to create beautiful patterns though different but related. I think music is similar.

But because music is organic and experienced it goes to another level in the brain. I could imagine like the Mandelbrot set it can form patterns in the brain that can touch just about every part of our senses and imagination and memories.

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wing2000 said:

Or just shoot the suspected smugglers on the street. Why bother detainting and prosecuting alleged criminals? if the government declares one to be a "narco terrorist", that is sufficient. ....or so some seem to be arguing here.

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No. But in international waters, I don't care if they're killed. And it's because they're bad, evil people if they're peddling fentanyl.

A New Dawn said:

No, you are the one complaining about not having a choice, oh, until it is pointed out what Adam did with his choice, and then you want God to veto Adam’s choice and make everyone puppets, so we are back to the beginning of the circle.

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I'm not complaining about anything, I'm pointing out that you want to blame human beings for doing exactly what God decreed them to do. You want to bring it to Adam, but my first question had nothing to do with Adam and your follow-up to that was to blame man for the world despite the fact that according to you that it was all decreed by God before the world's foundation. So how about you answer my original question rather than deflecting and trying to put me on the defensive?

BassLine said:

The last band I was in was a three-piece group with acoustic guitar, violin, and double bass. We met at Chicago's Old Town School and played Americana, a mix of Blues, Folk, Rock' n' Roll, and old-timey music. The bluegrass folks used to call our stuff Jazzgrass.

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Wow I love the fusion of bluegrass and Jazzy stuff. I have gone down the rabbit hole on the roots of this type of music. With the blues root singers but also what I call Mountain music, such as around Appalachia.

Chicargo must have been a buzzing city at the time as I understand it was a pioneering city for musos to come and get a name. Especially the Jazz and blues singers. More or less pioneering rock in some ways with artists like Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry based at Cadillac Records.

It would have been a thriving place for live music, little joints playing blues and Jazz and a bit of electrified blues. Was there any buskers at the time. What sort of music were they playing.

BassLine said:

We split when the frontman’s fiancé decided he was spending too much time with the band. Ironically, they met because of the band.

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Seems some things never change in bands lol. Its always the relationships lol.

BassLine said:

Yeah, The Blues Brothers was a fun movie. L'Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper, called The Blues Brothers a "Catholic classic" on the film's 30th anniversary in 2010. The article cited the themes of repentance, faith, sacrifice, and redemption. Some folks felt that the Church's enthusiasm for recognizing spiritual messages in pop culture was a good step. Others were not so enthusiastic about it.

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Why should the devil have all the good music, lol. Thats the thing that God can work in many ways. I believed that it was secular music that led me to God. Or at least God highlighted certain words and messages that made me think of God and life and all that.

BassLine said:

I enjoyed the group. That Andalusian chord progression in the first video (i-♭VII-♭VI-V) is also used in Resucito, one of my favorite Easter songs. I posted about it recently in this thread.

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Thanks I can see what you mean. Its almost like a traditional Cathederal choir in Flamenco style. Which I think matches the simple words of the gospel sung like a victory song with the trumpets. Or a declaration to the world. Would be great seeing this live.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.

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FreeinChrist said:

We have many Christians praying about gun violence and it still happens a great deal. Perhaps it really is time to DO things.

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Restoring teaching about God in public is something, but apparently not the something some people seek.

Landon Caeli said:

Smugglers should recieve the death penaltym

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Or just shoot the suspected smugglers on the street. Why bother detainting and prosecuting alleged criminals? if the government declares one to be a "narco terrorist", that is sufficient. ....or so some seem to be arguing here.

Ultraforce

DaisyDay said:

Did the junkie living on the street deserve it? I'd say the family man is more to blame as he puts his whole family's well-being at risk, knowing that his coke may be undoubtedly is spiked with something even if he just hopes it's powdered milk.

If anything, this scenario is an argument in favor of decriminalizing but heavily regulating recreational drugs - less chance of poisoning. But others here have argued that all drugs are poison therefore all drug sellers are narcoterrorists. It's a bad arargument.

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No, the junkie on the street doesn't deserve to die either - he's just a victim who doesn't stand a chance against what he's up against.

I think all fentanyl dealers should recieve life sentences without parole. Smugglers should recieve the death penalty.

rambot said:

It seems most people are of the opinion that drug traffickers are killing Americans.

Well, private health insurance companies are also killing and maiming Americans. And they are doing so WITHOUT the consent of the person who is dying.

What is the appetite for extra-judicial killings of Insurance company employees?

We're all Luigi fans here I assume?

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The private health insurance companies make the best decisions that give the best outcome to both the insured and the shareholders.

Fervent said:

What flaw is that supposed to be? You're the one who is trying to have your cake and eat it too.

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No, you are the one complaining about not having a choice, oh, until it is pointed out what Adam did with his choice, and then you want God to veto Adam’s choice and make everyone puppets, so we are back to the beginning of the circle.

Landon Caeli said:

There are many angles to this conversation, but one very important one is this...

A family man who snorts coke on weekends every now and then accidentally buys pure powder fentanyl from someone on the street... And dies instantly.

Coke is bad, no doubt. But the man didn't deserve that kind of death. Some of your comrades think it's okay if that happens - I don't.

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Did the junkie living on the street deserve it? I'd say the family man is more to blame as he puts his whole family's well-being at risk, knowing that his coke may be undoubtedly is spiked with something even if he just hopes it's powdered milk.

If anything, this scenario is an argument in favor of decriminalizing but heavily regulating recreational drugs - less chance of poisoning. But others here have argued that all drugs are poison therefore all drug sellers are narcoterrorists. It's a bad argument.

camille70 said:

The 'Absent Black Fathers' Myth is Peddled Again. Can We ...

All sorts of oft-cited statistics about fatherhood in America are false—and anyway broken families are the consequence, not the cause, of the exact kinds of ...

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Meanwhile, among fathers who live with their children, black dads are in many ways the most involved in their kids' lives. "Black fathers (70 percent) were most likely to have bathed, dressed, diapered, or helped their children use the toilet every day compared with white (60 percent) and Hispanic fathers (45 percent)," the CDC study found. Also, more black fathers than white fathers took their children to or from activities every day and helped their kids with homework every day.

The lead researcher told me this study marked "the debunking of the black-fathers-being absent myth."

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I never used the word “fatherless”, and if the father isn’t living in the home, then he, by definition, isn’t living in the home, no matter the reason. That does not imply that the father isn’t involved, but it DOES mean he is not as involved as one who lives in the home.

Gregory Thompson said:

However, fear does not end in confidence on the day of Judgment, only love does.

In the forms of love in the New Testament, one is a form of mutual respect, this can replace the fear thing. Fear is for servants with no permanent place in the family, but we are sons.

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Yes, that’s exactly the right way to connect those truths together. The fear of the Lord awakens us, sobers us, and makes us take God seriously, motivating us to turn from sin (Prov. 16:6, 2 Cor. 5:11). That fear then drives us to live in a way that honours Him (Deut. 10:12–13). As we honour Him, the weight of condemnation begins to lift, because obedience shows that His Spirit is at work in us. Obedience deepens love, “This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments” (1 John 5:3). And as love grows, fear of judgment gives way to confidence (1 John 4:17–18). So fear is the beginning of wisdom, but perfected love is the end. Fear doesn’t vanish as useless; it matures into reverence. It drives us to obedience, obedience shows love, and love finally casts out the dread of condemnation.

rjs330 said:

Nobody committed homicide.

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Executive Order 12333 prohibits assassinations, providing that “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.” Under executive branch legal doctrine, “assassination” is understood to include the targeted killing of individuals. (The Uniform Code of Military Justice also of course criminalizes murder.)

A New Dawn said:

I’m pointing out the flaw in your argument. I will do that however I please.

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What flaw is that supposed to be? You're the one who is trying to have your cake and eat it too.

GoldenBoy89 said:

No it isn’t.

Democracy only means power of the people. Demos=people and kratia=power or rule of law. Theres nothing there that says it has to be a majority rule. It is any form of government where the power of the state is vested in the People.

Our constitution starts with the words “We the People.” It doesn’t say “We, the representatives of our constitutional republic.”

We the people use a democratic system to elect our representatives who also then use a simple majority vote to pass laws on our behalf. When the first congress came together to establish and frame the constitution they decided on what made it into the document through simple voting and majority rule.


Unless a majority before them already put in protections for the minority that cannot be rescinded.

Every single country on earth has a constitution their legislators and leaders have to abide by. That isn’t the defining feature of a democracy. Even Saudi Arabia has a constitution that their monarch has to follow. The defining feature of any democracy is the power being vested in the people.


Those same representatives use a democratic process with simple majorities to pass legislation that affect the entire country. This is democracy in action.

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No, they don’t use a simple majority to pass legislation. They use a combination of simple majority, supermajority, and unanimous consent. .

RDKirk said:

It's exactly what the people who voted for Trump wanted to happen, so that was a feckless warning.

Make no mistake: The United States has gotten precisely the government that the majority in the US wanted.

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I disagree. I think there are people who voted for Trump who do not want our military committing murder on the high seas.