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David Lamb · Jul 21, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
Just exchange the word "bound" for "restricted", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

God Bless.

Whether you say "bound" or "restricted", where is such a think taught in the bible? I find that we are taught that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he died before Jesus. Elderly Simeon had the Holy Spirit:

“25 ¶ And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,” (Lu 2:25-27 NKJV)

Neogaia777 · Jul 21, 2025

David Lamb said:
Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

Just exchange the word "bound" for temporarily "restricted/limited", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

I apologize for using language this way sometimes, but it is sometimes necessary, ok.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 21, 2025

fhansen said:
Yes, pride/self-righteousness are opposed to God by their nature while humility is the key to truly drawing near to Him. The scary thing is that all evil is done in the name of some good, by someone pursuing a desire they perceive to be good, and that they have the right to pursue just because they desire it.

Maybe not all evil, but some of the worst ones probably. And, yes, a lot of people, especially nowadays, have a big, huge problem with calling a sin and sin nowadays, etc. There is a great deal of questioning going on about it nowadays, "Well, is it really?", some will say, but when consequences sometimes come for them some of the times and/or always, then they find out, don't they. No fear of God for anyone nowadays drives this mostly. Whereas if they would just simply agree with God about it (the sin) and they would stay humble about it always, even though they might still commit the sin sometimes always, or be guilty of it always, then maybe the consequences for it maybe need not come all of the time and always, etc. But it still always can be a risk, both in this life, and maybe also to your eternal salvation maybe sometimes, or in some cases, either way, etc. We'd like to not ever play around with any kind of sin at all always, but the problem is that all of us do all of the time and always, etc, unless you've convinced yourself that you don't anymore ever at all always, but I've talked about that already, etc.

God Bless.

David Lamb · Jul 21, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

tturt · Jul 21, 2025

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fhansen · Jul 21, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
We set aside the grace of God (and become apostate) (like the Judizers in Jesus day) by no longer thinking we need it.

God Bless.

Yes, pride/self-righteousness are opposed to God by their nature while humility is the key to truly drawing near to Him. The scary thing is that all evil is done in the name of some good, by someone pursuing a desire they perceive to be good, and that they have the right to pursue just because they desire it.

Neogaia777 · Jul 21, 2025

We set aside the grace of God (and become apostate) (like the Judizers in Jesus day) by no longer thinking we need it.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jul 21, 2025

Obedience done in your own strength decieves you, as it causes you to think you are now perfect, and don't any longer have any sin, but all you have to do to see that is false, is just take a close look at all of the people who think they have done it, for they most often are very, very much decieved, etc. But let your obedience be a true work of God, and you will be fine, etc. Some of the most evil people I know are the ones who think they have become perfect in their own strength, and I'm pretty sure God agrees with me. They would not be so very much judgemental towards those who are not yet where they are now at (or think they are now at) for one thing, etc. Only a truly enlightened person knows that this is always a very, very grave sin, and can cost you your salvation, etc. If you truly knew God, you would already know that you don't have the right (or level of knowledge) to be able to do that, etc. If you want to tell people the truth about sin, then tell them that sin can be a possible risk, etc, because anything beyond that, is a sin, and you have neither the right, or the level of knowledge that is required, to be able to do that, etc.

God Bless.

keras · Jul 21, 2025

In Romans 11:28-32: it does say some of the Jewish people will receive God's mercy, despite their continued rejection of Jesus. Romans 9:27
There will be two main criteria for this:
1/ They must be actual members of the House of Judah. Not those who call themselves Jews, but are not. Revelation 2:9
2/ They must show true repentance and remorse, as Jeremiah 12:14-16 tells us:..... I will have pity on them [Judah] and bring them back to their Land, if they learn the ways of My People, [Christians] and swear allegiance to My Name.
Note; the remnant Jews will be so ashamed of their errors, they will keep very quiet. Ezekiel 16:63

However; the main Christian peoples who will go to live in all of the holy Land after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12, will be descendants of the ten Northern tribes; the House of Israel, joined by every faithful Christian from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9-10
This will fulfil God's promise to the Patriarchs, that their descendants will inherit the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

The Barbarian · Jul 21, 2025

There was a time when most black people didn't complain about segregation. There was a time when Jewish people didn't complain about being excluded from clubs and events. "That's just the way it is."

Which doesn't mean they weren't offended. How about just calling people what they want to be called?

Ophiolite · Jul 21, 2025

rjs330 said:
Why would you await that. You said you are a former Christian. The Bible is just a book to you.

Just a book? Until the advent of the cloud, books were where human knowledge and experience and beliefs were preserved. In my worldview they are not dismissed as "just a book".

As a Christian it was the Sermon on the Mount that spoke to me with greatest power and conviction. What I see in the actions and declarations of many Christians in the USA is the antithesis of those words. Many of the posts on this forum reek with same the hypocrisy and disregard for human dignity.

Remove the Sermon of the Mount from the Bible, which is symbolically what those ignoring it are doing, and you take away the heart of it.

Strong in Him · Jul 21, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I do listen.

Well answer my comments, and I'll stop making them, then.

Larniavc · Jul 21, 2025

BCP1928 said:
I know you'd like to think that, but many of us do. Others are satisfied with having it taken out of our taxes, like an automatic periodic contribution to the United way. What's wrong with that?

It’s the ‘screw you, I got mine’ American Dream.

Larniavc · Jul 21, 2025

Richard T said:
I guess you never have seen swollen bellies of infants, and primary school kids. It is real in some places. I doubt much of this reached them though. I can say that corn subsidies for making ethanol gas sure is causing many to starve.

Ethanol policy threatens to starve the world

Drought. War. Poverty. These are leading causes of hunger, according to the United Nations. Soon we may add another. Ethanol. Across the globe, people are discovering it's a new contributor to world hunger. Led by the United States, governments are paying companies billions to make ethanol from...

www.heritage.org

How sad that on this a Christian website, obvious sarcasm is taken at face value.

Neogaia777 · Jul 21, 2025

David Lamb said:
Where do we find such a thing as the Holy Spirit being "bound up inside of Jesus" until He died? When Jesus was baptized by John, we read:

“And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't bound up anywhere.

God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

Strong in Him · Jul 21, 2025

Apple Sky said:
That little girl was asking what so many have asked in the past. Buzz's answer ' I think I know why, b/c we never went there'.

That's not what he said. He said "we didn't go there", and from the context it's obvious (to all but conspiracy theorists) that he meant "we didn't go back there.". In other words, we haven't been back, or returned. He also said if we want to know for the future we have to look at why it stopped in the past.

When you first produced this clip, a few months ago, I pointed out to you that the very next clip - on my phone anyway - showed an interview with Buzz which began with the words "I'm Buzz Aldrin and I was a pilot on Apollo 11." There are several such clips on YouTube - although the conspiracy theorists clips get more publicity.

It's like when David Jenkins, Bishop of Durham, said years ago, "the resurrection is MORE than just a conjuring trick with bones". (I read his full sermon in the Church of England newspaper.)
Headline the next day, "Bishop says resurrection is a conjuring trick with bones". This lead to letters, articles and cartoons about doubting bishops, how do they get to stay in the job, etc ?
David Jenkins wasn't perfect and he probably said a lot of things I disagreed with. "The resurrection didn't happen", was not one of them, but hey, it sold newspapers.

pasifika · Jul 21, 2025

Brightfame52 said:
Then you have a stupid god. He knew if he created a person that the person was going to sin up all grace and die and go to hell for their sins, yet with his dumb self, he created him anyway, knowing no matter how many opportunities he gives him, he is going to spurn them away and die a fool. Does that sound like a all wise God to you, even a loving God ? Sounds like a fool

sorry to jump in and interrupt your conversation with the other poster..but Romans 9:20-22 will address your point.

David Lamb · Jul 21, 2025

Reginald Taylor Jr said:
Micah 6:3-8 KJV July 20,2025

I Worship God Jesus Christ is the Truth My Father John 14:6 KJV . I Worship God God of promises that cannot be sropped. I worship God that wants us serve God-gifts that ascends to heavens.-Lord recieving first fruits of the harvest I worship God wants people to treat each other fairly and to walk accordingly to his way. I Worship that satisfy me wirh blessings. I Worship God that enter into judgment with elders and princes of his people

I understand the words "Heaven's Power" in your title, but what do you mean by "Pray Cross?"

David Lamb · Jul 21, 2025

Neogaia777 said:
That's because, at that time, God the Holy Spirit (YHWH in the OT) was bound up inside of Jesus for a time, and could not get released until Jesus died.

Where do we find such a thing as the Holy Spirit being "bound up inside of Jesus" until He died? When Jesus was baptized by John, we read:

“And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't bound up anywhere.

7thKeeper · Jul 21, 2025

Valletta said:
Indeed, with the tax cuts Americans should be able to choose the organizations to donate to that will best help those in need instead of organizations loyal to the Democrats.

If we are talking about the current new tax cuts, the cuts to government programs elsewhere though have made it a net loss for all but, iirc, the top 10% of income earners (may have been top 20%, I would need to check again), so it's not like most people have more money to put into charity, but less.

Apple Sky · Jul 21, 2025

Strong in Him said:
So why would that girl have asked Buzz when he was going BACK to the moon, if he had never been?

That little girl was asking what so many have asked in the past. Buzz's answer ' I think I know why, b/c we never went there'.

fhansen · Jul 21, 2025

fli said:
Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV

What does Paul mean by “set aside the grace of God?” It definitely has something to do with the law. Paul stated “If righteousness came through the law Christ died in vain.”

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. NKJV

As Paul states in the above everything is legal for those who are in Christ. Romans 7 God considers everyone in Jesus to have died with Him. Being dead means that we are not under the law as dead people cannot sin. Therefore, God will not impute sin to those in Jesus. We have liberty to sin.

Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." NKJV

Paul warns us about using our liberty as an opportunity to please our flesh. Then he cites that all the law is fulfilled by the OT law of “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Does this mean that we have to “Love our neighbor as our self” to be saved by Jesus? No!

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV

Our righteousness is apart from the law. That means that our righteousness has nothing to do with our doing any OT law.

Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV

God imputes righteousness apart from doing any works. The above scripture is a 2-edged sword. For those who do not work their faith is accounted for righteousness. It also means that if one is doing a work to be righteous, they do not believe in Jesus. If anyone believes in Jesus, then that belief in Jesus is their righteousness. How could they believe Jesus makes them righteous, if they are working to be righteous?

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV

Again, the above scripture is a two-edged sword. If anyone believes in Jesus, He is the end of the law for righteousness. That means if you believe in Jesus you do not get any righteousness by doing works of the law.

It also means if anyone is doing works to be righteous, they do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous. If Jesus made them righteous then why do they need to work to be righteous?

That is what Paul means by setting aside grace. If anyone does any work to be righteous, they are setting aside the grace of God. God gives us grace so we do not need to work for righteousness.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. NKJV

Some Galatians had been convinced they had to trust in circumcision. Circumcision has noting to do with righteousness.(It was a requirement for those in the first covenant) If they got circumcised, believing they needed to for salvation, they would set aside the grace of God. If anyone sets grace aside the only way left to be righteous is by doing the law. We know no one will be made righteous by the law because no one except Jesus could do the law without committing sin.

Then why did Paul tell us to “love our neighbor as our self” to be righteous?

Paul has just gone through several chapters explaining how faith in Jesus is so much better than being under the law, he is not going to now tell the Galatians to do the law, the law is one entire unit not separate parts. He is telling them not to use the liberty in Jesus to satisfy their lusts. We do not lose salvation if we die under discipline, which if we use our liberty to satisfy our lusts we will die under discipline.

Galatians 2:20(a) I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; (b) and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV

The answer to why Paul told us, to love our neighbor as ourselves, is in the above scriptures. Verse 20 b the life that Paul lived in the flesh he lived by faith in Jesus. That is the way all the sons of God live.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

By accepting discipline, we prove that we are sons of God. Verse 12 we should not live to satisfy the flesh. If we live to the flesh we will die physically. Any of the elect (remember David and Bathsheba) could fall into temptation and quit walking in the Spirit. If this happens Jesus will start discipline, ending in our physical death , if we do not repent. This is what Paul meant by the life he now lives he lives by faith in Jesus. Paul had faith that if he continued to obey Jesus' commands that he would accomplish everything God had planned for him to do. Romans 13:8 We are under the law of love. If we fulfill the law of love we will continue to live physically. If we stop fulfilling the law of love we will die and go to heaven under discipline. 1Corinthians 11:32 God disciplines us so we will not be judged by the world.

Setting aside grace would be to resist the work and life of the Holy Spirit in us. And that would mean that we would return to the flesh, to unrighteousness. The righteousness that is apart from the law, that the law and the prophets testify to, is real righteousness, wrought by grace.
“For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!” Rom 5:17

We must not set that aside:
“When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.” Rom 6:20-22

“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.” Rom 8:12-14

stevevw · Jul 21, 2025

Skipper80 said:
We know God's will for our life in the broad sense, of course:

1 Timothy 2:3–4 (ESV)
“This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise... He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

1 Thessalonians 4:3 (NIV)
“It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality.”

Romans 12:1–2 (ESV)
“...present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God... Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”

1 Thessalonians 5:16–18 (NIV)
“Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”

1 Peter 2:15 (ESV)
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”

Ephesians 2:10 (NIV)
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

Micah 6:8 (NIV)
“He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”

John 13:34–35 (NIV)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples...”

Matthew 22:37–39 (ESV)
“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

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BUT, WHAT ABOUT SPECIFIC EVENTS IN YOUR LIFE?

Specific daily events that are trivial compared to the concepts and commands in these Bible verses.

For example, if my car broke down as I was going to the coffee shop to get coffee, am I right in saying it was God's will for the car to break down?

What are your thoughts, guys?

I don't think Gods Will works on that level. It may be just circumstances you find yourself in. Or something you neglected such as servicing the car.

If its a case that you cannot afford a good car or to maintain the current one then that is also I think a matter of circumstance to some degree. But also what priorities you place on having a car.

But in saying that I think we can be wise and navigate the system without becoming to fixed on materialism. By doing some research and getting the cheapest and best car fo its purpose. But if you can afford it then a good car with servicing will minimize this.

If it just happens to be a glitch of some sort in the car that just happened then well thats life sometimes and we if anything are tested to handle theses setbacks which come with lifes unpredictability. Or that we may be aware that we are in a difficult situation and ask God to help us through it.

Basically Christ does tell us to not worry and that God will provide. I think that can mean sometimes that we are really tested and think God has abandoned us and nothing is going right. But even though it may seem that way if we keep trusting God in the end we will be better off.

I think sometimes if not often we don't know Gods Will and we put all sorts of roadblocks and ideas of what that might be for us. But I think Gods Will is there underneath all that thinking in the quiet recess of our mind and sometimes it takes a bit of time to realise it.

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