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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

I had never heard of Mr. Kirk before today. I am sorry for him and his family, but I am also sad for us...that this is the world we now live in where senseless violence can descend on anyone at any time unabated. God help us all.

US students' reading and math scores at historic lows: 'Devastating trend'

Bro, you shouldn’t be telling me, you should be telling the state, I’m not the audito
I wouldn't be surprised if they are in on the coverup too. The schooling system I feel is that corrupt and nobody wants to stand up and take the blame for it.

Blind memorization is good for short term memory, not long term education. It is an answer devoid of context and the idea behind school is to execute methodologies and concepts.
I don't mean to be disrespectful here but you are sounding like someone who feels these new ways to learn (that teachers need to adopt) are the greatest stuff in the world when all they do is get so-so achievements and are replace the following year by some other new teaching fad. You say memorization is good for short term memory - funny, I still know all the answers to my multiplication tables from 3rd or 4th grade. I still know how to spell almost every word that I was given in spelling tests. And so much more, all due to memorization.

This just reads again like somebody who doesn’t understand tech and is thus afraid of it and/or thinks it’s useless. If kids are learning the same thing they learned 45 years ago when you were in school, we will have surely failed them. No other country says that reversal of progress is the answer to educational advancement.
I graduated from college with a BS in Computer Science. I was a techie for the longest time. But I admit, there have been way too many advancements for me to keep track of so, I just learn what I want now. I'm all for technology in the classroom. I'm a person who learns more hands-on and visually and I suspect kids nowadays do that more so. Thats excellent but when students just sit there and oodle their IPhones all through class and do not pay attention to the teacher, there's a problem.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

Oh for Pete’s sake. Try to let go of your need to be right in every argument and try ignoring the responses you feel are beneath you somehow. It’s not only about you and your pov. I replied to a post I agreed with. Get over it.
Do you need a Snickers, my dude? Because you’re being all wound up over fighting with ghosts only you can see.

So, more directly and distinctly since you’re apparently in a bit of a mood, I was doing you a courtesy to let you know we were discussing a different topic so you could join us in that topic because you appeared interested and the thread is 6 pages long. That’s it.

You want to keep talking about flours when we are talking about flowers, have at it. Enjoy.
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

Garcia could have returned to his home country; but he fought tooth and nail to get shipped off to Swaziland, an impoverished, disease infested, absolute Monarchy, with the lowest life expectancy in the world.

No.
1) He could not return to El Salvador due to endagerment of his life....a court agreed with him.
2) It was DHS that decided to send him to Swaziland....and now Eswanti. He was willing to go to Costa Rica, but for some strange reason, that wasn't acceptable to Bondi and team.

I haven's seen a poll on how the voters feel about accommodating his wishes; but I don't mind that we paid a little extra air fare for this guy.

Cost is not the issue. Intentional cruelty is.
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I am trying to start fresh in life, but I am experiencing immense obstacles

Thank you for your continued prayers, everyone! Things are going pretty well for me, so far. I just started physical therapy for my torn meniscus in my left knee today so that's got me feeling hopeful that I'll be able to start going on longer walks here soon.
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Love of many will run cold

Well you know how, when the going gets tough, people start eating people, because they don’t invest in self sufficient agriculture, relying on, credit institutions and central planning…

But besides that, I have to admit my love runs cold throughout the day, since we don’t live in a world based on compassion, but we have different categories of ’jobs’ working for their own end… and I don’t even know how to make it in this world with a purely compassionate approach.

I mean, go fish for a coin? Is this sarcasm?

Maybe this is just the situation until Caesar comes back, to straiten things out?
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GOP, Democratic leaders react to Charlie Kirk shooting

I lost my dad at a young age and it never leaves you. So this type of thing really bothers me. Whether it be Charlie or someone else we’ve never heard of. Just gets to me. :(
Gods love and comfort be with you!
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

The key question is, how did someone 25 years ago, know Trump was going to be president and fake that letter to Epstein? Time machine, maybe? Apparently experts have confirmed it's his signature.
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

Actually this is the scariest verse in the Bible.

Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Luke 6:37
Just saw this. It may give you a better understanding. It's a good vid
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A conversation about unity.

The Roman Catholic Church has not declared the Blessed Virgin Mary to be Co-Redemptrix. Indeed the group pushing for that, the so-called “Fifth Dogma”, does so on the basis of an apparition apparently experienced by Ida Peerdeman, a Dutch woman who had personal difficulties, and the vision she experienced was, in my opinion, disturbing and inauthentic, and the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith under Pope Benedict XVI and if I recall, even more recently than that, declared her visions “Unworthy of belief.”

Roman Catholics do tend to regard her as Mediatrix of all Graces, but that’s not the same as Co-Redemptrix. If the RCC declared the Theotokos to be Co-Redemptrix, it would likely terminate ecumenical reconciliation with the Orthodox, the Assyrians and other dialogue partners of the Roman church.

Now, the Roman Catholics do believe the Blessed Virgin Mary to be the Mother of God (Theotokos) and to have been assumed into Heaven, but so do the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox; the strange thing is that this was only officially made dogma in the Roman church in the 1950s, whereas it had been dogma in the Orthodox Church since the first century AD, but the Roman liturgy was always … parsimonious. This was probably in part due to the language barrier, since the Eastern churches used Greek and Syriac, and much of the liturgical development actually occurred among Syrian fathers like St. Ephraim, St. Jacob of Sarugh, St. Romanos the Melodist and St. John of Damascus, whereas in the Roman church only the Patricians and educated Equestrian Plebeians spoke Greek - and also the Roman liturgy in the first millennium inclined towards extreme brevity.

Also regarding the title of Mother of God, and the Perpetual Virginity of St. Mary, this was believed in not just by Martin Luther, Thomas Cranmer and John Wesley, but also, begrudgingly, by John Calvin (he hated to admit that the Blessed Virgin Mary was Theotokos, but understood both that the title was semantically and in all other respects correct, for Jesus Christ is God and St. Mary did absolutely bear him, and also the severe problems embracing Nestorianism would cause to the model of the Incarnation, so he swallowed his pride and earned respect from myself and many other Christians). The rejection of the status of the Theotokos as Theotokos and of her perpetual virginity originated with the Radical Reformation, the Anabaptists, and were continued by various groups, most recently the 19th century Restorationist denominations, and obviously if you can accept the Real Presence you don’t fall into that camp.
Would I be required to pray to her?
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Rosie O’Donnell Says Security Told Her Not to Come Back to the U.S. for Daughter’s Graduation Due to Trump Feud: He’ll ‘Use Me to Rile His Base’

Lol. Although technically humans are scientifically classified in the great ape category. Regardless, she played a gorilla.

She was also in an S&M comedy film, believe it or not.
Yes. It was based on the late Anne Rice’s work, which Rosie is a huge fan of.

Now back on topic… ;)
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

I have empathy. Why should I care what he said about it? And I care even less about what villains trying to vilify him within an hour after his violent death say about him.
Wait, who’s vilifying him? I’m certainly not. His opinions were the worst but that is zero excuse to attack or assassinate/murder him. He has every right to freedom of speech without fear of assassination, regardless of his viewpoints and my opinion on them. In a free society, we cannot just shoot people we don’t like.

What is it in “American President?” “You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours." Americans don’t need to agree but they do need to not resort to violence to subdue somebody who’s saying something you don’t want to hear. I said it when Trump was shot, I’ll say it again here.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

I personally don’t need it in this context, but there are certainly times that going through something provides relevance and context that reshapes people’s opinions.
It sounds like you're talking about some species of human I don't believe I've ever met. Like people who never think about things. Like a man whose daughter was killed last week by a drunk driver and says "I never thought drinking and driving was a big deal, but now I'm really against it!"
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US students' reading and math scores at historic lows: 'Devastating trend'

We've got good snow fields 5 hours south of Sydney. One time when I went I wore a heart rate monitor just to see how hard I was working. It also gave me the number of runs I did as you could see when my heart rate peaked during the day. Then I did something stupid and added up everything I'd spent on gas, accommodation, food and booze (all in 'alpine dollars') then worked out how much each run had cost me.

I really wish I hadn't...
My buddy who lives near kicking horse in British Columbia says if he didnt live near thrbhill he would never snowboard again with the cost of day passes and thr like.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.
I wholeheartedly agree that there was little if anything the guy said that I agree with, but it doesn’t excuse being shot in cold blood, in public, with malice. I feel for his family and his kids… They’re going to be haunted by the videos their whole life. How do you even protect kids from seeing that? Or his wife? I’ve avoided socials and Reddit to keep from seeing it, but they’re going to be bombarded with it through the media, bad actors, trolls, bots… I hope they develop a plan to keep themselves safe (or as safe as possible) from having to see that.
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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

Empathy? That New Age term doing a lot of damage? We have no need for that. Just ask Charl....err, watch Charlie's video when he expressed what he thought about that idea.
I have empathy. Why should I care what he said about it? And I care even less about what villains trying to vilify him within an hour after his violent death say about him.
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NATO forces shoot down Russian drones over Polish airspace; Trump: "Here we go."

'Here we go': Trump reacts after Russian drones shot down over Poland

"What's with Russia violating Poland's airspace with drones?" Trump said.

Polish airspace was violated by at least 19 Russian drones overnight, the country's prime minister said. The Russian action prompted NATO to scramble a response, as two Polish F-16s and two Dutch F-35s were deployed to shoot them down.

It marked the first time in the alliance's history that fighters had engaged potential targets in allied airspace, according to Col. Martin L. O'Donnell, a spokesperson for Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe.

In response to the overnight incursion, the U.S. Ambassador to NATO, Matthew Whitaker, posted a short message on X: "We stand by our NATO Allies in the face of these airspace violations and will defend every inch of NATO territory."
'Here we go'?

How reassuring...
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