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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

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Why would knowing someone who died from a shooting make a difference?
For the same reason any context that you have where you didn’t have it before would…? The whole “it’s different when it hits home” thing?
 
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I just did a rather large clean up of problem posts.

When bad things happen like this, it is easy to attack who you perceive is the enemy or cause, and be wrong. Others jump on the action and say things that are unwise, as if the victim deserves it.

Both ways of posting are unacceptable.

A man was murdered. That is bad whether he is Democratic or Republican, conservative or liberal. Let the authorities work to find out what actually happened before attacking the other side. Also, you may dislike what the victim stood for and said, but political violence is never good. It is bad when it happens to any side.

I am locking this for an hour.
 
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For the same reason any context that you have where you didn’t have it before would…? The whole “it’s different when it hits home” thing?
Context? I don't think you need to know a victim of violence to have empathy for a fellow human being you only read about.
 
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Context? I don't think you need to know a victim of violence to have empathy for a fellow human being you only read about.
As well as the wife and children left behind. :praying:
 
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Context? I don't think you need to know a victim of violence to have empathy for a fellow human being you only read about.
Empathy? That New Age term doing a lot of damage? We have no need for that. Just ask Charl....err, watch Charlie's video when he expressed what he thought about that idea.
 
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Context? I don't think you need to know a victim of violence to have empathy for a fellow human being you only read about.
I personally don’t need it in this context, but there are certainly times that going through something provides relevance and context that reshapes people’s opinions.
 
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Empathy? That New Age term doing a lot of damage? We have no need for that. Just ask Charl....err, watch Charlie's video when he expressed what he thought about that idea.
I just saw that quote… Along with a few others. Really brings me back to the pondering on if it was a persona or his genuine beliefs, and the layers of other tragedy either one of those answers bring to the table.
 
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I just saw that quote… Along with a few others. Really brings me back to the pondering on if it was a persona or his genuine beliefs, and the layers of other tragedy either one of those answers bring to the table.
I lean towards genuine. The masks have been coming off ever since the Tea Party era during Obama, and Trump gave people like Kirk and his ilk to go full hog with their beliefs and agenda. The persona is for marketing, but it's not false advertising.
 
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I lean towards genuine. The masks have been coming off ever since the Tea Party era during Obama, and Trump gave people like Kirk and his ilk to go full hog with their beliefs and agenda. The persona is for marketing, but it's not false advertising.
I genuinely can’t say one way or the other… There are moral and ethical ramifications to either one so it’s not like one is better than the other (unless we want to debate ignorance vs malice vs ethics). I guess it’s just about asking the big questions and wondering what one’s last thoughts were when so immediately confronted with their mortality in a way that directly ties to something they said in the past. Or trying to think about how his family is processing what happened in light of his stances.
 
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Because I was not talking to you. I quoted who I was talking to.
And they were talking to me about something unrelated to your comment.
 
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And they were talking to me about something unrelated to your comment.
Who cares? I agreed with what he said and added his family to it. Again, I was not addressing you regardless of what you personally posted previously.
 
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What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.
 
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Who cares? I agreed with what he said and added his family to it. Again, I was not addressing you regardless of you personally posted previously.
Just pointing out your response is a non sequitur so your statement about empathy for his wife and kids he left behind makes no sense in the context of the discussion. Did it on the off chance you want to adjust your sails so you could join in the discussion being had with the relevant topic. That’s one typically does they’ve been in a conversation for a bit and somebody new joins a discussion late yet shows interest in being included…

If you’re just wanting to make non sequiturs and keep moving, by all means, carry on. Far be it from me to try and include you in a sidebar discussion you aren’t trying to be included in. Rock on.
 
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Empathy? That New Age term doing a lot of damage? We have no need for that. Just ask Charl....err, watch Charlie's video when he expressed what he thought about that idea.
I have empathy. Why should I care what he said about it? And I care even less about what villains trying to vilify him within an hour after his violent death say about him.
 
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What gets me is just how sensless this was. Yeah he was an agitator who absolutely contributed to this toxic environment we're in but also no, he doesn't deserve to be a victim of this toxic environment we are in. No one does. I feel for everyone that witnessed this. The video of it is sickening. I feel for his family and friends who don't just see him through a phone screen like I do. I feel for Charlie. He did not deserve this.
I wholeheartedly agree that there was little if anything the guy said that I agree with, but it doesn’t excuse being shot in cold blood, in public, with malice. I feel for his family and his kids… They’re going to be haunted by the videos their whole life. How do you even protect kids from seeing that? Or his wife? I’ve avoided socials and Reddit to keep from seeing it, but they’re going to be bombarded with it through the media, bad actors, trolls, bots… I hope they develop a plan to keep themselves safe (or as safe as possible) from having to see that.
 
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Just pointing out your response is a non sequitur so your statement about empathy for his wife and kids he left behind makes no sense in the context of the discussion. Did it on the off chance you want to adjust your sails so you could join in the discussion being had with the relevant topic. That’s one typically does they’ve been in a conversation for a bit and somebody new joins a discussion late yet shows interest in being included…

If you’re just wanting to make non sequiturs and keep moving, by all means, carry on. Far be it from me to try and include you in a sidebar discussion you aren’t trying to be included in. Rock on.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Try to let go of your need to be right in every argument and try ignoring the responses you feel are beneath you somehow. It’s not only about you and your pov. I replied to a post I agreed with. Get over it.
 
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