A2SG said:

So you guys believe the Democratic Party is so ruthlessly organized and diabolically efficient as to pull that off without a hitch, and without leaving behind even a trace of evidence?

Seriously?

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-- A2SG, or maybe you meant some other Democratic Party?

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The facts are that the majority of Democrats (67%) believed that Russians had tamped with vote tallies despite no credible evidence. So yes, Democrats were "diabolically efficient" in convincing more than 2/3 of their party that Trump STOLE! the election because Russia changed votes in his favor.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

No, I think we've covered it all.

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Not really. But, cheers.

BPPLEE said:

If you get every job report wrong for 4 years, and every report has to be revised downward maybe you should be fired

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...maybe you should do some more research on why the initial job report is routinely revised.

Bradskii said:

He said very plainly there was a great deal of evidence re Russian interference.

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And there it is. Russian "interference" is such a vague term that it can mean anything from the Russians making a mean meme that is detrimental to Democrats and posting it on social media to hacking into and changing votes depending on what you think it means. Apparently, at the time 67% of Democrats thought it meant Russians had changed vote counts despite no credible evidence that had happened.

So you are correct that he made an incredibly vague and ambiguous statement "very plainly".

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

So by "foreign entities," you mean the foreign company that makes the products we Americans buy pays the tariff. I agree.

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FYI, that's not how tariffs work. The importer (i.e. the company in the US that buys the products to resell in the American market) pays the tariff. Tariffs are assessed at the port of entry on the entity who ordered the product. I know this for a fact because I have imported goods from a foreign country personally. Guess who paid the tariff? Me.

NxNW said:

The issue isn't what how Democratic voters' beliefs. It's about alleged crimes by Obama (there were none) vs actual crimes committed by the Trump organization (of which there were many).

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OK. But where do you suppose 67% of Democrat voters got the idea that the election was STOLEN by means of vote tampering?

I know you want to pretend like this is unimportant, but the fact of the matter is Democrats were as guilty of pushing baseless conspiracies and propaganda in 2016 as Republicans were in 2020. Everyone just wants to pretend like it was no big deal, but claims of the STOLEN election were EVERYWHERE. And I ask again, what were they implying when they said the election had been stolen and that Trump was an illegitimate president?

fhansen said:

I call it pretend because, the way you conceive and describe it, it's only a vicarious righteousness. Again, you may as well be condoning what Is 5:20 condemns and condemning what Micah 6:8 condones. From my perspective, your mind is closed, influenced by a signifcantly different and novel theology which amounts to a tradition of man. From my perspective, you've ignored large parts of the bible, the parts that show that being alive to God and dead to sin are still options for the believer, a potentially deadly option (Eph 4;24 is ecncouragement and not to be taken in an isolated, wooden manner which is why vs 4:25 goes on to tell us what we must avoid doing), while also ignoring reason, historical Christian teachings, and church history in general. Did you even read the post I referenced on that matter? If so, maybe we'd at least have some new ground to cover, some additional facts to chew on and discuss.

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No, I think we've covered it all.

iluvatar5150 said:

No, you have not articulated any reasons beyond your own incredulity.

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I've explained my incredulity. You, in return, have offered wild speculations that were apparently borne from you watching too many action movies.

iluvatar5150 said:

This sort of thing doesn't have to operate on the timeline of a bank heist.

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When your analogy falls apart, don't blame me.

iluvatar5150 said:

Why would you assume that they'd make their demands immediately? They've demonstrated their capabilities. It's the computer equivalent of brandishing a weapon.

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Do you have any idea how computer systems work? You hack them in 2016 to "make demands" a decade later? That's not exactly the smartest plan.

iluvatar5150 said:

They didn't merely hack into a single one. They hacked into a lot of them.

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OK. And what did it to do to the 2016 election results? How do you believe that hacking resulted in a STOLEN!!! election?

iluvatar5150 said:

I agree, completely, but that's a distinction without a difference and a hallmark of good psyops. If you want to cause some trouble, you don't necessarily have to cause all of it yourself.

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You don't have to do ANY of it yourself. All you have to do is start a rumor, and get enough useful idiots to believe it.

PatrickTate said:

Or could it be that Canadians are sick and tired of "The Ottawa Swamp?"


Could it be that many Canadians feel that President Trump for all of his many, many, many, many, many flaws may be more so on the side ot ordinary Americans and Canadians than our elected officials have been?

We are definitely wondering whose side Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was on?????


"A ten billion dollar donation to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or to the USA Democratic Party would not fully make up for what all Canadians and Americans saw P. M. Justin Trudeau doing up here in Canada!"

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Perhaps Ontario's education system has declined to the point that students no longer learn Ottawa is part of Canada and resident of Ottawa are also Canadian.

If Canadian citizens in Ontario dislike those fellow citizen in Ottawa and want a foreign leader to embarrass their fellow Canadians, the nation may be so divided that its existence is called into question.

Say it aint so said:

Yes, the media did correctly note Russian hacked into our voting systems.

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They also said the election was STOLEN!!! and called Trump an illegitimate president.

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Yes, some Dems did say the election was stolen with the rational being Russian helped Trump.

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"Some" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement.

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Just like the media covered Trump saying the election was stolen.

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The media didn't just cover the Democrats saying the election was stolen. They were loudly proclaiming it everywhere.

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Is it the medias fault they covered Trump at ej and Hillary et al making the same election stolen claims?

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Again, the media wasn't just covering what Clinton and just about every Democrat on the planet was saying. They were opining the same thing, that the election had been STOLEN!!! and that Trump was an illegitimate president.

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Was the media who covered Trump's stolen election claims in some "coordinated propaganda campaign conspiracy?"

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Absolutely.

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...oh wait, FOXnews and Newsmax actually were.

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It's weird to me that people can see propaganda clearly when its on the other side, but are completely blind to it when they agree with it.

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I think you may need to think this through further.

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I've thought it through plenty. Despite your best attempts to employ historical revisionism to downplay what Democrats said in 2016, the fact of the matter is that they running around loudly and incessantly proclaiming that the election had been STOLEN to a more than willing media that chimed in to strongly agree. It's no wonder 67% of Democrats polled believed that vote tallies had been tampered with, since that's exactly what Democrats wanted them to believe. And they didn't even have to say it out loud. All they had to do was make vague, baseless accusations of the election being stolen and let logic do the rest.

I so thank all of you for your prayers. I woke up this morning with a message that in a way could force me to begin go start preaching and teaching although I kind of would prefer to not go in that direction.

Is Jesus beginning to intervene in Canadian and USA politics in order to expose corruption at high levels?

Are the events of these past ten years a warning for all Christians that is related to whatever form the "Mark of the Beast" will ultimately take?

Will A. I. soon expose every lie being told by elected officials as they give speeches?

Is it possible that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau here in Canada may have been working for a vastly different long term set of goals than he even thought that he was working toward?

"A ten billion dollar donation to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or to the USA Democratic Party would not fully make up for what all Canadians and Americans saw P. M. Justin Trudeau doing up here in Canada!"

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Hans Blaster said:

Though Dobzhansky was clearly thinking of evolution as only biology and recognized other aspects of "creation" (like the creation of the Universe) when he paired the two, but given our modern usage of "creationist" it is not a good choice.

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He specifically says that he's thinking of God creating through evolution.

Hans Blaster said:

As far as the "theistic evolution"/"evolutionary creationism" I'm not quite sure. It sounds a bit fuzzy. Some description have God guiding evolution or using as a tool, but that's just creationism, and not anything like Darwin's Natural Selection or anything that comes after it.

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I think you're conflating two orthogonal kinds of explanation. If a novelist writes a scene involving a poker game and gives the characters plausible poker hands, are those hands the results of the shuffle in the scene or of the novelist's choices?

ozso said:

Trump's case is unique in that he'll have only served one term as the 47th President. Maybe that can be used to create a loophole in the 22nd amendment.

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He does have a sympathetic supreme court.

I don't think he should run on the basis of his age alone. But that is not a legal hurdle.

Valletta said:

Israel does not want blood, it is Hamas and the Gazans who support them who want the blood of women and children. As to security, Hamas begged the world for concrete they said they needed. They spent years carefully and craftily building an extensive tunnel system, linked to hospitals so they could hide there. Many many Gazans had to know this but did not report it to the United States or Israel. Defense people get complacent, we saw this with President Trump and the Secret Service. They had an active report of someone with a range finder and let the president go out there in public. Locally here there were two people here that called and called FBI headquarters and reported a Muslim was taking flying lessons for a jumbo aircraft but repeatedly said he did not want to learn how to land. Here too the Biden administration released people on the terrorist list into our country.

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Valletta the tunneling systems have been known and detected for decades . Too many coincidences for me . People will choose to be be sleepy at the wheel also when a agenda is required

A related question is could high level members of the CIA and NSA have gotten somebody in CSIS to lead Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to set the stage for the total exposure of the corruption that has been going on in Ottawa as well as in Washington. Some people are so off the scale intelligent that they know well how certain objectives take multiple years and even decades to accomplish.

Was Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau actually working toward the total exposure of the lack of ethics in Ottawa partly in order to set up President Trump in 2024 to 2028?


"A ten billion dollar donation to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or to the USA Democratic Party would not fully make up for what all Canadians and Americans saw P. M. Justin Trudeau doing up here in Canada!"

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My Grandmother was a Tate before she married.

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I owe the Tate guy who ended up owning the Tate Gallery an apology.

Because he became extremely wealthy and because he was involved in the sugar industry I made certain assumptions about what type of sins he may have gotten into at the time that he lives. No...... he was deeply religious and brilliantly guided by the Holy Spirit. He purchased the patent for sugar cubes and worked with a guy named Lyle and they became off the scale wealthy.

He was always asking controversial questions about Theology that was well ahead of his time period.

144,000 animals sounds gross!

No man can come to Christ naturally because by nature as Paul writes concerning the gentiles in Eph 2 they are helpless and without hope in themselves pertaining to Salvation Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Man naturally, is without spiritual strength Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. We were by nature powerless to help ourselves, in a dead lost spiritual state ! 10

JulieB67 said:

Not sure about the state of the Bride/Church overall in 95. I was kind of doing my own thing unfortunately even though I called myself a Christian..

But do believe apostasy will happen for when Satan and his are cast down in reality. Some (foolish virgins waiting on the bridgroom so they are supposed to be waiting in Christ obviously fall away) And it's a case of actually believing he is the Messiah, believing he's God. So in that aspect I believe many will think they are serving God in "the evil day" A day that Paul states one must have the full gospel armor on to be able to withstand.

Paul states Satan is transformed (disguised) as an angel of light. That will be his MO. And people will fall for it. That's why I believe the timing is so important in case it should happen in any of our lifetimes. We have to wait on the true Christ and not fall for the fake and his fake peace and prosperity that he will bring. Paul also states that people will be saying "peace and safety" and then bam, the true Christ returns. That's what we need to be on guard for and why we watch regardless of decade year, etc.

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Well said JulieB67.

I do believe that Jesus has arranged that all of us would see a huge warning about that possible future "Mark of the Beast" in the events of these past ten years in both Canada and in the USA.

We are beginning to wonder whose side our elected officials are really on????


"A ten billion dollar donation to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or to the USA Democratic Party would not fully make up for what all Canadians and Americans saw P. M. Justin Trudeau doing up here in Canada!"