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Hentenza · Sep 18, 2025

childeye 2 said:
I'm a centrist. Therefore, I apply the left/right dichotomy to denote the objective view as being at the abstract center of two subjective yet equally valid opposite points of view. So, I will be arguing that what is on the left is Democracy and that autocracy is on the right; so as to denote the objective view of the delegation of power, or in other words the centralizing and decentralizing of power to set policy for all, reasoned n a true dichotomy. --> Democracy/Autocracy.

I am a centrist also and I dont think of left and right the way you do. Both sides argue for democracy and no side argues for autocracy since autocracy is not consistent with the US tricameral form of government. There is no dichotomy just issues which are argued by their individual twists.

childeye 2 said:
This was your statement: "In fact the democratic views on immigration, obsessiveness with cultural issues, and soft on crime stances, all progressive and far left stances, lost the party many votes in the last election". <-- As a centrist I would argue that this connotes a negative spin and it's subjective.

It is not a negative spin but actually true. Do some research on what policies and stances caused the democrats the last election.

childeye 2 said:
What are the Democratic views on immigration? You don't actually say, but as it stands your statement qualifies as a subjective negative view/imagery of the Democrats view. What is "obsessiveness" doing there? Would I find this term on the Democratic platform? Not likely.

It is widely known that the left policies on immigration lean toward open borders compared to the right which lean toward closed borders. This is old news.

childeye 2 said:
The objective view would see cultural "obsessions" from both sides. An obsessive cultural issue can also be observed in these sentiments from the autocratic side, "They're poisoning the blood of our country", and, "They're eating the dogs and the cats". <-- These are based in negative prejudice.

The obsessiveness as I stated it related to cultural issues such as parental rights, LGTBQ policies, and soft on crime policies. There is no objective view per se since individual perspective are ymmv.

childeye 2 said:
Finally, the "soft on crime" sentiment. <-- I don't think I will find this on the Democratic party platform either.

Again, look at the criticism of DA’s from dark blue cities such as San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Portland, etc. for allowing violent criminals back on the street with little to no bond, for example. Again, this has been on the news constantly for a few years now. Maybe keep up with the news?

childeye 2 said:
The fact is that the autocrat says he will be tough on the far-left radical groups who got Charlie Kirk killed. <--I'd say this is wacko and is far more serious an issue than "soft on crime".

There is no autocrat. The form of the US government is composed of the executive, Supreme Court, and congress.

childeye 2 said:
People are easily deceived, I'm sorry to say. Social media makes money causing mayhem and Power is for sale in the marketplace.

Here we agree.

rambot · Sep 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
No its not. It hasnt been proven to be effective. But even so, adults can still do it.

Do you happen to know what the "regret rate" is for gender reassignment surgery and do you think the regret rate is important?

Do you know how it compares to other surgeries; Cosmetic OR medical?

Chesterton · Sep 18, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
This is probably outside of the scope of this forum but so is your post in that case, so I can at least ask. What does genetics and DNA have to do with gender? Are you thinking about sex chromosomes? If so, was everybody genderless until sex chromosomes were discovered by Edmund Beecher Wilson and Nettie Stevens separately in 1905?

I didn't say anything about gender.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 18, 2025

Servus said:
Actually it's more boring

In my world, boring and pleasant are nearly synonymous.

Chesterton · Sep 18, 2025

Bradskii said:
Yes. An incredibly small amount of people who would resort to that level of violence. They don't represent any of us. Not you. Not me. No-one on this forum. To try to to divide people into two groups, to insist on an 'us and to them' is rarely a good idea in the first instance. To then try and include those who would kill for whatever reason as a representative of one side or the other is madness.

Yes, there are morons who dance on graves. On the right and the left. But don't make the mistake that mindless rhetoric is in any way comparative to actual violence. And don't think that for one moment that those morons from both sides of the politically divide represent the majority. They don't represent you or me.

If you don't accept the reality that's is us vs. them then you just have your head in the sand.

Bradskii said:
Read these words about Kirk:

“We should all feel a deep sense of grief and outrage at the terrible violence that took place in Utah today. Charlie Kirk’s murder is sick and reprehensible, and our thoughts are with his family, children, and loved ones.

“I knew Charlie, and I admired his passion and commitment to debate. His senseless murder is a reminder of how important it is for all of us, across the political spectrum, to foster genuine discourse on issues that deeply affect us all without resorting to political violence.

“The best way to honor Charlie’s memory is to continue his work: engage with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse. In a democracy, ideas are tested through words and good-faith debate — never through violence. Honest disagreement makes us stronger; violence only drives us further apart and corrodes the values at the heart of this nation.”

You might not know who said that. If you don't, then you certainly wouldn't be able to tell if he or she was on the right or the left of politics. And you couldn't tell because it doesn't have any bearing on what was said. It was actually Governor Newsom. He saw a moment when we needed to be brought together, not divided. That it was a time to highlight what we have in common as opposed to what separates us.

I will leave it to you to find comments from other politicians that don't do that. I don't want to get into an us v them situation...

Are you aware that Newsom is the leading contender to be the next Democrat presidential candidate? Smart move on his part.

rambot · Sep 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
I suppose you are talking about when a child has two sex organs. Yeah that can happen. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the transgendered who have the sex organs of a single sex. Which means they are just recognized as the sex they were born as. Its obvious. The doctors don't see a girl and then decide to call her a boy. They dont agonize over it.

There have been intersexed people improperly labelled by doctors because their anatomy was unclear. I don't feel a need to go into too much detail but if needed, I could I guess.

To be honest, I DO think I know REALLY who you are trying to describe. My only point is that there is, LITERALLY, no black and white and that even THAT phrase is not exactly true.

keras · Sep 18, 2025

Douggg said:
A nation born in a single day fulfilling Isaiah 66:8. And the reunification of the northern nation and southern nation back into one nation fulfilling Ezekiel 37. Jesus soon to return to be the King of Israel embraced by the Jews.

All wrong:
1/ The Jewish nation of Israel, took 50 years from conception to birth.
2/ Ezekiel 37:15-28 very plainly remains unfulfilled.
3/ You fail to read and comprehend the Prophesies about the Jews, the House of Judah;

keras said:
Many prophesies tell us that God intends to Judge and punish them; to smash them like clay pots, Jeremiah 19:1-15, to burn the righteous and wicked alike; Ezekiel 21:1-7 and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27.

Just a few will survive, hiding underground; Isaiah 29:1-4, Isaiah 6:11-13
Randy PNW; take note of what the Bible actually says about the faithless Jews.

Tropical Wilds · Sep 18, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
No. You are not.

Hmmmm… Who’s opinion to believe about who I am and what I believe… You, who doesn’t know anything about me, or me, who happens to know a lot about me?

Man. That’s a toughie.

Perhaps it’s my husband you’re looking for? He’s the super liberal, left wing, woke whatever whatever.

rambot · Sep 18, 2025

iarwain said:
There are no perfect Christians. And there are no perfect non-Christians.

There are GOOD people who are christians and there are NOT GOOD people who are christians. I'm not calling his faith into question. I'm saying he shouldnt' be a martyr because his failings were too profound.

Fred Rogers is THE American every American christians should try to emulate in my humble opinion.

iarwain said:
Although I notice that most liberals who try to use Christ as an argument for how right wingers should conduct themselves are not usually believers themselves. I'm not saying that as my own impression, they will tell you straight out.

Wait what?
Is there a reason why conducting yourself in a Christ-like manner would be problematic?

iarwain · Sep 18, 2025

Kimmel was still trying to imply the killer was MAGA, that ridiculous idea has been thoroughly debunked.

In any case, Kimmel wasn't taken off the air by the government, ABC affiliates were the cause of that. Nothing funny about Jimmy Kimmel, he has long since become a propaganda machine for the left.

Dan Perez · Sep 18, 2025

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Who is mister tate?

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Who is mister tate?

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Who is mister tate?

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And he began the OP , THE LOST HOUSE OF ISRAEL , and you are on it now. !!

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Saber Truth Tiger · Sep 18, 2025

Hi Aaron112, good to see you on this thread. Nisan 15 was not known as a Sabbath when Jesus died. If it fell on the weekly Sabbath the Sabbath was called a high day. That's why the Sabbath after Jesus died was called a high day (greek: Great). It was called a high day because it was an annual holy day that fell on the weekly Sabbath. Nisan 15 would not always fall on a Sabbath. Sometimes it could fall on either day of the week but the year Jesus died Nisan 15 fell on the weekly Sabbath.

The Sadducees controlled Temple worship in Jesus's lifetime and they determined the holy days according to their beliefs. They did not buy the Pharisee's beliefs that Nisan 15 was a Sabbath. Some 20 years after Jesus's death the Pharisees gained control of the Temple worship after Rabbi Yohanon ben Zakkai, a Pharisee, gained leadership of Nasi, or leader of the Sanhedrin.

Find a search engine you trust and search for who controlled Temple worship when Jesus was alive.

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Can Nisan 15 be referred to as “the sabbath”?

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rjs330 · Sep 18, 2025

rambot said:
Sometimes they do actually.

I suppose you are talking about when a child has two sex organs. Yeah that can happen. But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the transgendered who have the sex organs of a single sex. Which means they are just recognized as the sex they were born as. Its obvious. The doctors don't see a girl and then decide to call her a boy. They dont agonize over it.

rambot · Sep 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
We don't need to pretend. They don't know what to do. Thats why they turned to WPATH for answers and now we know what a corrupt and fake organization that is. We have research done now by plenty of countries who have shown it's not effective in solving the problems. And there is NO research that proves it is.

But not really right? There HAVE been a few studies that question the WPATH but it hasn't been DISPROVEN yet. And frankly, those doctors tend to sound pretty ideological.

The biggest complaint is that "there is not enough research yet". Okay. Fair enough. This is a new field. However, that doesn't mean it's disproven.
And in the meantime, we need a treatment that keeps the most children alive.

rjs330 said:
They need mental health care to work through the issues and cope with the problems that come with the condition,

That that is a strict part of the treatment path.

rjs330 said:
providing they are REALLY trans and not suffering from other problems or trauma that has led them down the trans pathway.

I am a MILLION % down with encouraging and treating the trauma any of these kiddoes could have gone through. The 3 trans people I know had SIGNFIICANT trauma's in their life but were never in a financial position to be able to get enough therapeutic support to really get into that.

rjs330 said:
They may just be autogynaphelia.

And of COURSE they couldn't tell the difference so of course that is a reasonable other possible explanation.

Also a question:

You DO know what it means when the word "disorder" is included right? Body dysmorphia disorder.

GoldenBoy89 · Sep 18, 2025

Servus said:
Jimmy Kimmel Live doesn't even appear in the 250 most watched shows.

https://ustvdb.com/ratings/shows/

You guys are celebrating having canceled a show no one was even watching?

iarwain · Sep 18, 2025

rambot said:
Wow. I sincerely hope not.

There are a lot of aspects of his life that do no coincide with how I think christians should comport themselves.

There are no perfect Christians. And there are no perfect non-Christians.

Although I notice that most liberals who try to use Christ as an argument for how right wingers should conduct themselves are not usually believers themselves. I'm not saying that as my own impression, they will tell you straight out.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
Your welcome and it is expert medical opinion.

oh yeah? What do you do for a living?

rjs330 · Sep 18, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Thank you for your expert medical opinion.

Your welcome and it is expert medical opinion.

rjs330 · Sep 18, 2025

rambot said:
You're wrong.

Im correct.

rambot · Sep 18, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Oh I bet. Going back on topic, I am sure Robinson's gay lover knew more about him and his hard leftist ideological tendencies and motivations than his parents. Why? Because Robinson kept them hidden from them.

IT's 100% possible yes. But it's also possible he just hid a certain part of it from them.

Carl Emerson · Sep 18, 2025

The Liturgist said:
I’m really baffled as to why some members want to partake of the Euchaeist of churches which believe in a doctrine, the Real Presence, which they reject.

The 'real presence' has become a divisive demand rather than a Grace as the Wind of the Spirit blows.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
Gender surgery isnt one of them. You cant fix a mental health issue with cosmetic surgery.

What abiut what about what about. Are you going to start what about every possible cosmetic surgery and determine if its necessary and why?

Can you not follow your own argument to its logical conclusion?

You're the one complaining about the government paying for cosmetic surgery. As an insurer, the government either pays for all cosmetic surgeries; it pays for none of them; or it pays for some of them. Which is it? You obviously don't want it to pay for all of them. What I'm trying to determine is whether you think it should pay for some or none. If it's none, then okay, end of discussion. But if it's some, then what are the criteria for determining which ones get covered and which ones don't?

Oh look, look at that, here we are, examining "every possible cosmetic surgery and determin[ing] if its necessary and why"

rjs330 said:
You dont fix mental illness with cosmetic surgery.

Thank you for your expert medical opinion.

rjs330 · Sep 18, 2025

rambot said:
I mean, let's pretend doctors didn't know what to do and they came to you for answers....

We don't need to pretend. They don't know what to do. Thats why they turned to WPATH for answers and now we know what a corrupt and fake organization that is. We have research done now by plenty of countries who have shown it's not effective in solving the problems. And there is NO research that proves it is.

They need mental health care to work through the issues and cope with the problems that come with the condition, providing they are REALLY trans and not suffering from other problems or trauma that has led them down the trans pathway. They may just be autogynaphelia.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 18, 2025

Servus said:
My fantasy is better than your conspiracy theory.

I have no doubt it's more pleasant.

rjs330 · Sep 18, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Because the government is a provider of health insurance to a lot of people and lots of cosmetic corrective procedures are covered by insurance.

Gender surgery isnt one of them. You cant fix a mental health issue with cosmetic surgery.

iluvatar5150 said:
What about cleft palate correction? That’s cosmetic, too.

What abiut what about what about. Are you going to start what about every possible cosmetic surgery and determine if its necessary and why? Not going to participate in that. You dont fix mental illness with cosmetic surgery.

iluvatar5150 said:
The only reason they didn’t have the chance to kill anybody is because some doors were barricaded and once they were breached and the woman at the vanguard took a bullet, the rest got the hint.

So you say. What YOU think might have happened is irrelevant. It didn't.

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