Oompa Loompa said:

Makes me wonder, did any country have term limits before the United States?

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Which country was the first kind of depends on how you define it, but there were appear to have been countries prior to the United States that had term limits. Though when the first term limits in the United States were depends, again, on exactly how you define them. Are we counting term limits under the Articles of Confederation? Do state restrictions count or does it have to be something on the national level?

RileyG said:

If it’s any consolation, Trump won’t be around forever. We have term limits. Not to mention, he’s elderly.

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Makes me wonder, did any country have term limits before the United States?

Bradskii said:

Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.

Russia is a strong country. And in some aspects I'd consider them great. But...well you know the situation.

The US is a powerful country. And you have a lot to be proud about. But you are being run by a small minded man. In the eyes of the world your reputation is being trashed. I don't consider you as being great at this time.

You're like an old friend who is being led astray. I sincerely hope that you recover.

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And all I am saying is that American greatness is what made America big, powerful, and the richest if I may add. That is an inconvenient truth.

jacks said:

Cutting board is harder than one might think. Have to measure, cut, plane, glue, clamp, sand and stain.

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Thank you. I'd forgotten all that. You've rekindled a badly needed sense of accomplishment in me.

jacks said:

I'd make fun of them, but I'm still wearing some of the same shirts...

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Another True Confession: just a couple years ago, I threw away a shirt I wore in junior high. Yes I did grow to be a man, but I guess the fabric just stretched a lot. I just wore it to go jogging. The shirt was celebrating the CB radio, with a bunch of phrases like "breaker 1-9" and "10-4 good buddy". I still have a portable, hand-held CB radio that I got back then. The unit was like a big walkie talkie that you plugged in to your car's cigarette lighter charger. The antenna had a magnetic base so you could place it or remove from your car's roof easily.

Anybody remember the CB radio craze of the mid-70's? Anybody remember cars with cigarette lighters and ashtrays?

National Guard picking up trash in camo and reflective vests.

Bradskii said:

Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.

Russia is a strong country. And in some aspects I'd consider them great. But...well you know the situation.

The US is a powerful country. And you have a lot to be proud about. But you are being run by a small minded man. In the eyes of the world your reputation is being trashed. I don't consider you as being great at this time.

You're like an old friend who is being led astray. I sincerely hope that you recover.

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If it’s any consolation, Trump won’t be around forever. We have term limits. Not to mention, he’s elderly.

Daniel Carlton said:

Yes, I am arguing the affirmative and I will prove not only that idolatry was condemned by the ancient church

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Easy argument to win here, since we're all in agreement o that point. But if you enjoy "preaching to the choir", go for it.

Daniel Carlton said:

but also it is as we see in the second commandment- made things that are venerated.

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Like the Cross of Christ?

Daniel Carlton said:

Now my opponents are going to get desperate

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I'm fairly frothing at the mouth even now.

Daniel Carlton said:

, engage personal attacks

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Hmmm... OK, You're literally Hitler.

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and perhaps even deliberately tell lies.

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I'm 6'3 and classically handsome.

Daniel Carlton said:

Why? Becuase they are here to defend their church

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My church is red hot, your church ain't diddly squat!

Daniel Carlton said:

. I am here to defend the faith, one true faith.

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I 've waiting for you to make that startling revelation.

Daniel Carlton said:

There has already been a bogus term introduced - “icon”

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OK, I admit it - I made that word up myself.

Daniel Carlton said:

. An icon is an idol.

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Well, I reckon if you say so then there's an end of it.

Daniel Carlton said:

The people who attempt to make a (false) distinction between idol and icon are simply trying to justify their error and sin.

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Yep, no question about it. And also in a vicious attempt to discredit a gallant defenddr og the faith (that would be you, of course).

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Next witness)

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"Your honor, I move that this case be dismissed on the grounds of the Sanity Clause!
Motion denied! Everybody knows there ain't no Sanity Clause!"

Daniel Carlton said:

Justin martyr. Credited as the first Christian apologist defines idolatry as “set in shrines and called Gods”.

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Right. And afaik, no, there are no icons or statuary claiming to be images of God, or any collectively caled "gods:". Do you know of any?

Daniel Carlton said:

So something that is made and venerated.

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That ain't what he saidc, is it? That's just what you happen to believe, worth the price charged.

So you wiffed that one. Any more you'd care to try?

Oompa Loompa said:

Reread my post and try again.

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Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.

Russia is a strong country. And in some aspects I'd consider them great. But...well you know the situation.

The US is a powerful country. And you have a lot to be proud about. But you are being run by a small minded man. In the eyes of the world your reputation is being trashed. I don't consider you as being great at this time.

You're like an old friend who is being led astray. I sincerely hope that you recover.

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ThatRobGuy said:

Right, but there's a difference between "rivals" (whose opinions they don't value) not liking a person, and their own ardent supporters losing respect for them from seeing them inebriated.

I had a former boss who like that...would refuse to "let his hair down" (even at office parties) out of fear that someone may not view him as "in complete control of all things, at all times"

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Ahhh, gotcha!

Oompa Loompa said:

What if an Australian vet is putting up a flag pole in their front lawn?

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I'll give him a hand to put it up.

MehGuy said:

You can imagine it? Emotionally?

Do you ever experience this love here on earth?

I did once have a dream that made me feel this type of love. Or at least I think it did. I was even able to emotionally recollect it for a time... until sadly it gradually drifted away and started feeling like the same old suffering/pain context love I always feel.

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but your not talking about God, the same love you always feel.’ I feel it sometimes when my heart opens up if I let it. I also know I’m loved because of what Jesus did. I have internalized it. I love Him when I obey and feel pretty good about that.

but I just feel like I would be all enraptured and overwhelmed by His perfect light. You can give any power to God. He has it. I feel what it would be to be the opposite of myself. Perfect no inhibitions. Me in the background. We will have bodies so an element of perfect self. Unimaginable really, but perfect balance poise and well being. Not like life here at all. Not even an erring thought just yes Jesus yes.

Bradskii said:

Well, allrighty. You are great because you are big and strong. And you are big and strong because of your greatness.

That must make sense to someone.

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Reread my post and try again.

Bradskii said:

No, she's saying if a flag is being used in one context - racism, then reasonable people would not want to be associated with it being used in that way.

But if we beat England in the cricket and someone is waving an Australian flag at the ground then I'll get involved and there'll be selfies.

Same flag. Different context. Different reactions.

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What if an Australian vet is putting up a flag pole in their front lawn?

Oompa Loompa said:

No. Being the biggest and strongest is a product of greatness. In other words, we are not great because we are big and strong. We are big and strong because of our greatness.

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Well, allrighty. You are great because you are big and strong. And you are big and strong because of your greatness.

That must make sense to someone.

Chesterton said:

The only thing I remember making in shop was a wooden kitchen cutting board. If you had made your post a month ago, I could've told you I still had it because I did.

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Cutting board is harder than one might think. Have to measure, cut, plane, glue, clamp, sand and stain. Everyone in my class had to make a bench. It cost $1.00 for the wood if you used pine and for a $1.25 you could get the oak. After a half century all those who had the foresight to buy oak, still have the lopsided, asymmetrical, dented and scratched bench taking up valuable space. I'd make fun of them, but I'm still wearing some of the same shirts...

In John 17 we read that the visible unity of believers draws the unsaved to Jesus.

This is "first Love" spoken by John in Rev 2.

Sadly this is rare in churches as the cost of allowing Jesus to impact our lives and institutions to that end is too high.

Equality among the saints and unity go hand in hand but we have relegated the early chapters of Acts to the 'too hard' basket.

'Viva Christo Rey' with Rick Thomas, back in the 60's was a good example of such a return to Unity, Equality and Love.

RDKirk said:

@Tropical Wilds' statement removes it from context-dependence.

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No, she's saying if a flag is being used in one context - racism, then reasonable people would not want to be associated with it being used in that way.

But if we beat England in the cricket and someone is waving an Australian flag at the ground then I'll get involved and there'll be selfies.

Same flag. Different context. Different reactions.

Gregory Thompson said:

Still sounds fairly relative and subjective from this perspective. Of course that is a subjective observation, since you know what you mean.

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The jury is still out on that one!

[Bold added by me.]

Bradskii said:

Is that how you determine greatness? By being bigger and stronger? Well, allrighty then.

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No. Being the biggest and strongest is a product of greatness. In other words, we are not great because we are big and strong. We are big and strong because of our greatness.