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Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

What about the Catholics is it wrong to worship and bow to the statue of the Virgin Mary or bow to the pope and call him father or call the priests father ?

eclipsenow · Aug 22, 2025

ozso said:
I'll bet with zillions of illegals on the road.

You mean other human beings made in God's image that also just happen to be undocumented? People with families and sometimes American born children? These currently undocumented migrants are - statistically speaking - LESS likely than an American born citizen to commit crimes - and contribute more to the economy than they cost!

When people know the stats, hearing Trump whine about immigrants is like hearing him whine about a river of gold flowing into the country. And here I was with the impression that standard Republican economic doctrine is that human beings are an incredible economic asset to have?

What has Trump done to your party?

Aaron112 · Aug 22, 2025

"While Jesus demonstrated profound patience and self-control, especially in moments of great personal agony, such as in the Garden of Gethsemane where He instructed His disciples to "watch and pray" despite their exhaustion and sleepiness , there are instances in the Gospels where He expressed clear frustration and impatience with His disciples. This frustration stemmed from their repeated failure to understand His teachings, their lack of faith, and their self-serving ambitions.

For example, after Jesus had fed the 5,000 and the 4,000, He confronted His disciples for failing to grasp the significance of these miracles, asking them, "When I fed the 5,000 with five loaves of bread, how many baskets of leftovers did you pick up afterward?" and "And when I fed the 4,000 with seven loaves, how many large baskets of leftovers did you pick up?". This scolding highlighted their spiritual blindness despite witnessing abundant provision. Similarly, when the disciples argued about who was the greatest among them, Jesus found this "maddening" , and He rebuked Peter harshly when Peter tried to dissuade Him from suffering, calling him "Satan" and stating, "For you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things"."

eclipsenow · Aug 22, 2025

ozso said:
I'm a native Californian with lots of family living there. A history going back over 100 years. California is my home and my wheelhouse.

Cool! Then you should be able to cite some data for us, instead of what just sounds like bipartisan opinion.

prudent_commenter · Aug 22, 2025

@Zceptre I always wondered why do monks keep their hair and beard long. Wherever real faith lives, there's also hair, and lots of it.
And per my bias, I also had positive experiences with long-bearded priests than with those well-groomed.
Maybe God told them to leave it?

I also find it curious that only men can grow beards. If it's something that only men can do, then it should be apparent. If it has a connection with God, then that would imply that women are only half. There's something about hair that I just never found.

honey badger · Aug 22, 2025

Aseyesee said:
How do you do this?

by faith ...

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

Strong in Him · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
They do by a false representation of the Universe.

YOU are falsely representing the universe.

Reposting because you have never answered.

Strong in Him said:
God is awesome, all mighty, all powerful and able to do, create etc far far more than we can ever imagine.
His creation , the world, planet, universe, solar system, milky way etc etc is enormous. Yet you have reduced his creation to a flat earth that is covered over by a dome which no one, or rocket, can get through. Your view of creation is limited - therefore your view of God is limited.

Go and look at the night sky through a telescope; I dare you. Forget all about globe earth, men landing on the moon, the moon being made of plasma etc etc - just go and look at the vastness of space. Read a magazine, like the BBC Sky at night; learn about planets, milky ways, stars, the sun etc. And then say "my Father made all that from nothing". The Psalmist said "the heavens declare the glory of God", and he only saw what he could see with his own eyes. God told Abraham to count the stars in the sky - if indeed they can be counted. That hints of a sky/solar system that is so big we can never know/see all of it.
Doesn't that fill you with a sense of awe, wonder and the sheer vastness, power and glory of God?
If not, there's nothing I can say to convince you - your God is too small.

When will you understand that some people have been into space, seen all this with their own eyes, walked on the moon and looked down at the earth - and then have become Christians? Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and it caused him to read a few verses from Genesis 1. He was giving glory to God by reading his word - watched by millions on television.
Doesn't all that tell you that, for many, studying space etc only leads them to realise that there really is a Creator, who is awesome?
If not, there's nothing I can say to convince you - your God is too small.

You think that planets, the milky way etc is evidence that God is being hidden?
On the contrary; they reveal more of God's power, glory and creativity than we can ever know or understand.

The only thing that is bigger than God's vast, beautiful, powerful, awesome universe is the love that he has for each one of us - even though we are but specks of dust on weighing scales.
I feel sorry for you if you can't see how awesome God's creation, and therefore God, is

Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

RileyG said:
Exodus 25:10-22

Notice how the Ark of the Covenant is constructed.

Was that idolatry? No.

No - But the Golden calf was.

HARK! · Aug 22, 2025

Aaron112 said:
Sometimes (how often or not I don't have the figures)
"guests", or even known and proven criminals, enjoy more rights or privilege or money or favor , even though not right, even though unjust

Yep, it's almost like some are using my tax dollars to buy votes, when they give cash awards and benefits to entice criminals to live under their protection. In this way they skew the census numbers, to gain more seats, to gain more power.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
They do with their false representation of the universe.

Some individuals in NASA may not believe that God created all things, or even believe in God. Others do. To say that NASA falsely represents the universe is like saying that all Welsh people don't believe in God as Creator. Both are wrong.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

CerebralCherub said:
Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks

Paul opens his letter to the Galatians by telling his readers where his authority as an apostle came from:

“Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),” (Ga 1:1 NKJV)

He was appointed by God to speak to the Gentiles:

“46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 “For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’”” (Ac 13:46-47 NKJV)

“8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” (2Ti 1:8-11 NKJV)

Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

Strong in Him said:
Well then, accept that globe earthers believe in God and Genesis 1 and stop writing nonsense about being deceived.

No b/c we are, big time & you guys just can't see it.

Strong in Him said:
They don't.

They do by a false representation of the Universe.

HARK! · Aug 22, 2025

Pommer said:
Well, because if we did that, (deport-based-on-“charges”), charges would be filed on all as a matter of course, eliminating the need for the rest of that pesky “due process”.

No need to eliminate due process.

The foreign national may be held in a detention center before trial or deportation. Find out how to locate someone detained by ICE.
After a noncitizen is detained, they may go before a judge in immigration court during the deportation (removal) process. In some cases, a noncitizen is subject to expedited removal without being able to attend a hearing in immigration court. Expedited removal may happen when a noncitizen:

Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
Uses forged travel documents
Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements

Learn more about deportation under an order of expedited removal.

Understand the deportation process | USAGov

Learn what a noncitizen can be deported for, and how the process works. Find out how you might get help if you are facing deportation.

www.usa.gov

They will get all of the process that they are due.

Pommer said:
What’s ”evidence“ of someone not “belonging” here, and allegedly breaking the immigration statutes?

Comes to the U.S. without proper travel documents
Uses forged travel documents
Does not comply with their visa or other entry document requirements

Understand the deportation process | USAGov

Learn what a noncitizen can be deported for, and how the process works. Find out how you might get help if you are facing deportation.

www.usa.gov

Strong in Him · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
He didn't create the moon for this reason.

He didn't create this beautiful earth for people to argue about the shape - but you still do.

Apple Sky said:
Far from it

Well then, accept that globe earthers believe in God and Genesis 1 and stop writing nonsense about being deceived.

Apple Sky said:
I know this but this doesn't stop NASA from hiding God from the none Christians.

They don't.
And the phrase is NON Christians, not none Christians.

Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

David Lamb said:
But NASA does nothing to hide God.

They do with their false representation of the universe.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Good because it's not, it's not there for man to prance around on.

I refer you to my answer to another post of yours, where I mentioned swimming and sailing in the sea.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
He didn't create the moon for this reason.

He didn't say that He created the seas to be sailed upon, or swum in.. Yet we read of men sailing across the sea, and swimming in the sea, in the bible, with not the slightest hint that these actions were sinful.

Apple Sky said:
Far from it

I know this but this doesn't stop NASA from hiding God from the none Christians.

But NASA does nothing to hide God. If it did, how did Charles Duke hear the gospel, believe it and become a Christian? Why does NASA not forbid any Christian from working for them?

Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

David Lamb said:
I disagree with the idea of the moon being merely "some rock."

Good because it's not, it's not there for man to prance around on.

Apple Sky · Aug 22, 2025

Strong in Him said:
He created the moon, yes.
He has never said that we are unable to fly to it and walk upon it.

He didn't create the moon for this reason.

Strong in Him said:
I think you'd rather imagine that we will all meet with God one day, be embarrassed to find that the earth is flat and have to suffer some kind of punishment, or humiliation - while flat earthers get to sit happily on their thrones, enjoying their reward and smug in the knowledge that they have been vindicated.

Far from it ^_^

Strong in Him said:
Get it into your head - Globe earth Christians also believe in God, in his creation, in Genesis 1 and the rest of the Bible too. Say what you want - we do, and we are Christians just as much as you are.

I know this but this doesn't stop NASA from hiding God from the none Christians.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Aaron112 said:
Using words and definitions of words to placate or change any meaning from ABBA , revealed in Scripture, is not good.

Sorry, ABBA as in Father? I certainly was not using words and definitions to change anything. Scripture is clear when it says that Jesus was without sin.

Strong in Him · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I have given evidence of what NASA is like

No, you haven't.
You've most likely provided a YouTube clip that has been made by some other Flat Earther who has a grudge against and/or is similarly ignorant about NASA.

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I have given evidence of what NASA is like but you refuse to watch or listen.

But when Strong in Him asked you if you knew all the thousands of people working for NASA, you said "No." If you don't know them, how can you know what they are like? The evidence you have provided all depends on the conspiracy theory that the moon landings never took place being true, which is the very thing you are attempting to prove, or proposing other things for which you have no proof, such as the photos of the earth taken from the moon being manipulating using things like fish-eye lenses.

Pommer · Aug 22, 2025

JSRG said:
Speaker of the House is nowhere close to the power of the President in terms of policy.

It’s Leadership of the Legislative (and co-equal) Branch of Government.
Maybe because we’ve gotten used to the Beohners and Ryans and McCarthys that we fail to remember the Rayburns, O’Neils who wielded tremendous power, policy-wise.

Aaron112 · Aug 22, 2025

There is a time for patience, and time to be impatient, a time to care, and a time to give up caring,
a time to love , and a time to hate.... how long must anyone now put up with false gospel teachings around the world and plaguing the internet/ families/ churches/ schools/ etc ? Nothing presently allows stopping the ones who bring a false gospel (that harms, hurts, and destroys souls).

David Lamb · Aug 22, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I didn't say the earth I said the moon.

I am sorry. I misread your post. I should have written: 'I certainly don't believe that the moon is "some rock for man to bounce around upon."' And I don't mean by that that God has ever prohibited man from going to the moon; rather, I disagree with the idea of the moon being merely "some rock."

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