DaisyDay said:

It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."

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That's pretty much it -- recently, ICE has been relying heavily on what it calls 'collateral' arrests.

One of the emails, written by Marcos Charles, the acting executive associate director of Ice’s enforcement and removal operations, instructs Ice officials to go after people they may coincidentally encounter.

“All collaterals encounters [sic] need to be interviewed and anyone that is found to be amenable to removal needs to be arrested,” Charles wrote, also saying: “We need to turn up the creative knob up to 11 and push the envelope.”

essentialsaltes said:

[Being MAGA is not a protected class.]

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Isn't freedom of speech protected by the Bill of Rights?

Servus said:

I was hoping you'd quote the policy rather than just give a personal interpretation or surmisal of it. Is what you said based on what you actually read in the policy itself? Did you actually read the actual policy itself?

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"The Policy"?

Juvenal said:

In my experience over the past few days — as a bystander because I knew better without having to have it confirmed — quoting him and his positions is the surest way to be accused of being insensitive to his death.

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iluvatar5150 said:

Ta-Nehisi Coates has a pretty thorough takedown of not just Kirk, but also the (left-wing) media who are engaging in what he calls a "Lost Cause" revision of Kirk's body of work:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates

It's easily the most well-cited piece of this sort I've come across and, of the quotes for which I checked the references, none appeared to be taken out of context.

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v.

Washington Post Columnist Says She Was Fired for Posts After Charlie Kirk Shooting​

Karen Attiah said she was fired for “speaking out against political violence” and America’s apathy toward guns.


I'm going to hold up on citing Kirk's legacy, in his own words, until after his funeral on Sunday.

essentialsaltes said:

Bondi faces criticism for saying DOJ will 'target' anyone who engages in 'hate speech'​

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Free speech advocates rip Trump AG’s 'psychotic' claim about Charlie Kirk​

While speaking to Fox News on Monday, Bondi demanded a print business allow a customer to print posters for slain MAGA influencer Charlie

“If you want to go and print posters with Charlie's picture for a vigil, you have to let them do that. We can prosecute you for that. We have right now our civil rights unit looking at that,” Bondi told Fox.

[Being MAGA is not a protected class.]

“Fact check: they cannot, in fact, prosecute you for refusing to print Charlie Kirk's picture for a vigil,” posted First Amendment and defamation lawyer Ari Cohn, adding “Pam Bondi's competence to practice law is very much in question.

In police youth program, abuse often starts when officers are alone with teens in cars​

A quarter of sexual misconduct allegations in law enforcement Explorers programs involve officers grooming or abusing young people during ride-alongs.

In May, prosecutors in Seattle charged a sheriff’s deputy with raping a 17-year-old girl. The deputy met the teenager while he was an adviser in his department’s youth mentorship program known as Explorers.

Law enforcement departments across the country have Explorer programs — overseen by Scouting America, formerly known as Boy Scouts of America — and they have a history of sexual abuse and misconduct, as The Marshall Project reported last year. [OP] Ride-alongs, in which young people accompany officers on their patrol shifts, are a key perk of the Explorers program.

They are also a gateway to abuse.

[Starting in June] The new rules state that two adults must be present in all youth activities, including Explorer ride-alongs. The new guidelines also state that if an underage female Explorer goes on a ride-along, at least one of the officers accompanying her must be a woman.

“Oftentimes, what perpetrators rely on — whether it’s a church, Boy Scouts, a coach — is the appearance of authority because it makes them seem more trustworthy, but it also makes the victim feel as though they don’t have much of a choice. And just like a uniform, the police vehicle itself provides that air of authority,” said Nate Baber, an attorney representing a former Explorer who was allegedly abused by an officer in Connecticut.

Dumas said these recent cases show how much Scouting America is not willing to enforce its own policies or be transparent about the dangers of its program.

“The most important message is that teenagers themselves have to understand the risk and how to protect themselves,” she said, “because I don’t think the program is going to protect them.”

Chesterton said:

Your virtue signaling is duly noted.

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I try not to let an opportunity go by.

BPPLEE said:

All this is interesting and informative but I don’t think there’s any connection to the shooter and the aforementioned group or person

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Right, there is no connection, but that's the messaging from the other side. A desperate grasping at straws, but unfortunately a lot of people believe what they see on TV and online and they don't bother to seek out the truth.

MyOwnSockPuppet said:

That ought to really upset the judge who signed it (and the collective judicial benches around the country) - the sheer mob-handedness that they turned up with is utterly inconsistent with trying to find four Hispanic people, unless they wanted to give them more than a bus each.

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It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."

iluvatar5150 said:

I hope the lawyers who wrote it charged a boatload, because it's almost entirely ego-stroking bloviation. It seems obvious that the goal is to generate headlines about "Trump Sues NYT" and not to actually win. By the time he loses the lawsuit (and he will unless they just settle), he'll have already won the PR war, at least as far as his side is concerned.

I wonder if this would qualify for a SLAPP countersuit.

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I believe so as Florida has strong anti-SLAPP laws. I hope they sue back.

Also, because Trump filed as a common citizen and not as president, deposition should be very interesting!

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DaisyDay said:

They ought not to have bee arrested in the first place. The warrant was only for four Hispanic workers.

NYT:Georgia ICE Raid Netted Workers With Short-Term Business Visas

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That ought to really upset the judge who signed it (and the collective judicial benches around the country) - the sheer mob-handedness that they turned up with is utterly inconsistent with trying to find four Hispanic people, unless they wanted to give them more than a bus each.

indictment [some naughty language]

On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said,“drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.” The roommate looked under the keyboardand found a note that stated, “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to takeit.” Police found a photograph of this note.The following text exchange then took place

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Roommate: Why?
Robinson: Why did I do it?
Roommate: Yeah
Robinson: I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.

The ... messages [on the bullet casings] are mostly a big meme, if I see “notices bulge uwu” on fox new I might have a stroke

All this is interesting and informative but I don’t think there’s any connection to the shooter and the aforementioned group or person

ThatRobGuy said:

In 2020, a total of 14,902 LAPD employees (both sworn officers and civilian staff) made a total of $1.71 billion. Four years later, the department shrank to 12,617 employees but cost the city $1.73 billion – an increase due at least in part to the boost in costly overtime pay to cover for the shortage of sworn officers.

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It could also be explained by a 5% annual raise. Generous, but not unreasonable.

Valletta said:

Police need to be able to do their jobs and not be constantly questioned every time a black is shot, instead they need to be given respect for doing a tough job. With soft prosecutors and no bail police are discouraged. Families need fathers. The music glorifying the shooting of police is a problem, that whole culture. Black kids should not be taught they are the victims of systemic racism and that their crimes are a result of that. Responsibility and accountability are critical. The children are being abandoned at a young age, they need to be provided a good disciplined education and tough penalties for misbehavior early on.

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I would like it if all police shootings are questioned.
Thanks.

durangodawood said:

What the heck is a groyper?

I know I can look it up, but I want to announce to everyone that I have no idea what this thing is.

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Your virtue signaling is duly noted.

Yarddog said:

Most of the So. Koreans were there legally and have been released. Trump has been kissing up to the president of Hyundai.

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They ought not to have bee arrested in the first place. The warrant was only for four Hispanic workers.

NYT:Georgia ICE Raid Netted Workers With Short-Term Business Visas

rambot said:

I would bet it does not mean that as, unless I'm mistaken, these people were in the US to install and work with proprietary, new technology.

can't just chuck randos at that.


Also, seems like Korea (And other Asian countries) are cooling FAST to investing in the US. Expect to see what we saw with Trump 1.0 (a lot of promise and ALMOST no follow through).

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You can chuck randos at it once. Just like any vehicle can be used as a minesweeper once. It's not as if lithium-ion batteries aren't notoriously tetchy if they aren't treated with respect.

Just like overseas investments - the odds of being able to even find 300+ more South Korean engineers who would be willing to travel to the US, let alone those with experience of proprietary equipment.
Then there's all the other RoK firms looking at their plants (both live and under construction), plus almost all of the civilian shipbuilders in the US
who are no doubt thinking "if it could happen to them, what's to stop it happening to us?"

Lastly there's the impact of having the RoK government launching a human rights probe over the treatment of their citizens by ICE during the raid, and their subsequent week in detention. As it stands any Korean company or politician that suggests investing more than a pint pot of warm spit in the US is looking at a find-a-new-line-of-work level domestic backlash.

And that would include the $350bn of investment that they were effectively blackmailed into promising in the (as yet not signed) art-of-the-deal.

durangodawood said:

I remember that.

Im trying to think how it could come to pass that any of my friends would bring their neo nazi pals over to my house as guests. It would require me having some rather sketchy friends.

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I suppose Kanye could be described as sketchy, but a neo-nazi who's half Mexican and has lots of black fans? The actual Nazis must be rolling over in their graves.

Valletta said:

There's nothing wrong with asking questions. But assuming there is wrongdoing or looking hard for wrongdoing from the beginning is bad for everyone, especially in cases where the person being arrested refuses to follow orders.

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Looking for wrongdoing from the beginning is bad for everyone? That is how the police operate in every investigation. If it is bad then we need to start rethinking police tactics.

What needs to stop is the demonization of police and the assumption of ill intent. What also needs to stop is the blocking of consequences for police who DO so bad behavior and a lack of control.

Hentenza said:

I wish both sides would just shut up.

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You can't "both sides" this when one of the sides is internet commentators, and the other is not only the government, but law enforcement agencies within that government.

FireDragon76 said:

Yes, because if you had a genuine mystical encounter with God, it might lead you to reject the kind of flat, doctrinaire religion that John Piper preaches with so much certainty.

The blind leading the blind.

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I agree with you, but that genuinely made me laugh, sorry lol