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BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-08-10T09:35:46-0500

fhansen said:
Faith, hope, and love are separate virtues. All three are supernatural gifts of grace

I'd consider dividing them no different than dividing the Trinity

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-08-10T09:34:04-0500

Aseyesee said:
Ezk 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T09:33:47-0500

Apple Sky said:
Because flat earth has nothing to do with this thread.

Of course it does.
Accept the moon landings happened means you accept the photos that they took were also real - photographs which show a globe earth.
Deny the moon landings happen and that gives you a reason not to accept the photographs - they are fake like everything else.

The photographic evidence of the shape of the earth was provided by those who saw it from space and captured it on film.

DaisyDay · 2025-08-10T09:29:45-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Sorry. I didn't see that post.

Huh. You didn't see the post you quoted and responded to? Well, that's odd.

Nithavela · 2025-08-10T09:29:32-0500

ozso said:
Then what's the worry about?

As you yourself demonstrated, not many people know about the internet archive and the possibility to access things that have been removed from their website.

Besides that, the internet archive has also been targeted by DOGE, although it remains functional so far.

Elon Musk Cuts Funding for Internet Archive

Elon Musk's DOGE has cut finding to the American nonprofit Internet Archive, which was busy archiving websites targeted by Trump.

futurism.com

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-08-10T09:28:37-0500

HIM said:
theWord program is free and you can do the same without spending the money Link

Logos has a free version also. Unfortunately for both, you have to spend money if you want works not in the public domain.

durangodawood · 2025-08-10T09:25:44-0500

SimplyMe said:
.....So, he was taken out of the normal rotation and volunteered to participate in several months of motion sickness testing....

Now thats hero's work right there.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-08-10T09:22:37-0500

saved24 said:
Yes, I think it is important, for me it's great when I don't know what to pray! God bless!

Do you know what you are praying? Do you understand your tongue?

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-08-10T09:20:03-0500

NxNW said:
Ann Coulter has been pushing for years to revoke women's right to vote. It's mainstream conservatism now.

It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted. - Ann Coulter

Is that her only reason?

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-10T09:19:32-0500

A New Dawn said:
Did the military say why they were restoring it?

Per the OP, SecDef Hegseth ordered it.

A New Dawn said:
The difference is that we cannot control what happened in the past, but we can control what happens in the NOW.

We did when we removed an offensive monument from a national cemetery. It doesn't change the past, it reflects what we choose to commemorate now.

Hegseth, having the benefit of the recent conversation about the entire issue, has NOW chosen to (re)commemorate the Lost Cause and Mammy and the loving bond between slave and master.

Richard T · 2025-08-10T09:18:35-0500

rocknanchor said:
Oh but, didn't they help so many in our walk with Him?

Right, guess all too many never took to heart when the Master said ''without doubt''. But on the peace involved in that press, it must be understood, it is a war that ensues with prayer with Him, not apart, I'm sure you agree! Paul must of had that blessing early on to know us well enough to say ''I thank God I speak in tongues more that you all'' (1Cr 14:18). So since early on then, this is not something that can be schooled into us for conditioning, but always always of enablement by Him.

Yes, it is all enabled by God but can we press into it as we trust God? I believe so. Here is more of that reasoning and a couple of examples.

Rom 12:6 "We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith;" Ok, and since faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word (rhema) of God. if you want to increase that prophetic gift, then get to where you hear from God to bring more faith. By the way, more faith in prophecy would mean a greater and greater level of exhortation, more precise words as well, that pertain to things of greater importance.

If the baptism of the spirit with evidence in tongues is given to all believers as the AOG among others believe, then all have a chance to really plow into speaking in trongues too. Paul does says you can speak in tongues to give thanks, but it is wrong to do it because others will not understand. (I Cor 14:16). It is interesting though that Paul does say it gives thanks well enough. v17. That among other things seems proof that we have the reins as to when we speak in tongues that is not part of a service where it will be interpreted. This latter part is as the Holy Spirit wills as part of the gift various kinds of tongues, the former is I believe simply the baptism in the spirit, which should give the ability to excercise tongues by faith at any time.

I think that Paul was special in part, because he was praying the mysteries of God which is also scriptural in I Cor 14:2. Some of those mysteries were likely parts of the New Testament. At least a few modern Pentecostals teach that we too can get revelation from speaking in tongues though none can rise to the level of Paul as the canon is closed. Revelation is not closed though, and we can also speak the mysteries of God and someimes gain some understanding. So this is tongues in private, from giving thanks, to speaking the mysteries of God (And hopefully getting some understanding).

Also, Since we can pray without ceasing I Thess 5:17, it in theory is at least possible for a zealous Christian to pray hours a day in understanding but especially in tongues. Dave Roberson did that for weeks at a time for 8 or more hours a day. Few attain that in the practical world but Roberson maintained that it not only brought him revelation of God's word but also birthed in abilities that brought about creative miracles and other gifts and anointings that he ministered under. I am thinking there are a few others like that; ministers that spend much time with God and are not famous names because they do not promote themselves.

Likewise, I know a pastor that fasts over 100 days a year and has been doing that for decades. In 45 years of service to the same church, he has never once missed a scheduled sermon. I admit all this seems extreme and I am certain there are other extreme ways to really flourish in God. If anything, reading and studying the word probably brings the most fruit on an hour for hour basis but Christians certainly have opportunities to do far more in God. So at least to me God enables more than we walk into. There is no condemnation for not being radical, but our efforts are rewarded. James basically says so in "the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-08-10T09:17:24-0500

A New Dawn said:
It is only after God has already turned your heart to himself that you have the ability (with the power of the Holy Spirit) to choose out of your redeemed nature.

So does God offer this turning to all people and some freely opt out?

fhansen · 2025-08-10T09:17:19-0500

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Faith "WORKS" through love. Gal. 5:6

So where we see LOVE, there is faith. Love shows there is faith there. Some people have various doctrines painted upon themselves, and are often the least loving, if any love at all. Is that faith? Nope.

Where there is NO LOVE, there is NO FAITH regardless of doctrines

Where there is LOVE there is faith, even without doctrines

These are intimately intertwined, faith and love. They do not exist, apart

Any thing that is not of faith is SIN, Romans 14:23

And we "all" sin, so there is that.

Sin does not defeat or eradicate love, nor does the existence of sin defeat love. The LIGHT shines from the DARK.

Not every single thing we do is out of love or faith. We probably sin more than we ever realize.

We do not become "sinless" by faith or by love.

Faith, hope, and love are separate virtues. All three are supernatural gifts of grace. We must accept, embrace, and express those gifts. Anyway, while faith is the means to love as faith is the means or connection to its Source, to God, faith does not necessarily guarantee love. Love remains a choice of its own-and it happens to be the crowning choice for man, that which defines his justice/righteousness, that which he was created for. The more that we’re “perfected in love” (1 John 4:18), the nearer we are to God, and vice versa: the nearer we are to God, the greater will be our love. Anyway, as Augustine put it,
“Without love faith may indeed exist, but avails nothing.”

And Paul,
“…if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.” 1 Cor 13:2

And we don’t become perfectly sinless by love in this life but the greater and more perfect our love, the more sin will be excluded, as the two are mutually exclusive.

Strong in Him · 2025-08-10T09:17:10-0500

Apple Sky said:
Anyway enough said about me, shall we get back on topic ?

Well it is sort of on topic.
You are insisting that the moon landings are fake - but you have been found not to have any credibility. I.e. we can't trust what you say; i.e. when you say they're fake, they must be true.

It's all about having reliable witnesses. The astronauts who walked on the moon are reliable, the Christian astronauts - especially those who now teach about Jesus - are especially reliable. You, who weren't there, aren't.

A New Dawn · 2025-08-10T09:13:56-0500

essentialsaltes said:
The military itself points out the monument's sanitized and mythologized view of the South, caricatures of black people, and 'Lost Cause' ideology.
Congress chose to have it removed.

This thread started as a love-fest for its restoration, and those of us who felt its removal was justified are appalled.

That's it; that's the uproar.

Did the military say why they were restoring it?
Did they say it was for the love of slavery?

I can understand there are questions, I hadn’t heard of it either being taken down or it’s being restored until I saw this thread, so there are questions I’d ask, but the sheer hatred being displayed here over something that might just be being restored for the purpose of showing just how wrong everything surrounding slavery was, is out of control. We, on the right believe murdering babies ranks right up there with slavery, especially since most abortion clinics are in black neighborhoods, but the left seems to think that it is A-Okay, and no big deal. I don't suppose you see how weird it is to see the injustice in what happened in the past but yet refuse to see the injustice that is happening right before your eyes. Probably not. The difference is that we cannot control what happened in the past, but we can control what happens in the NOW. And the left has not one ounce of concern that they are on the wrong side of the issue as long as they make sure to tell everyone how wrong something that ended over 150 years ago was.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-08-10T09:13:24-0500

Leave it to PBS to promote evolution. No wonder we need to defund it. Sorry, I couldn't stop my sarcasm.

I love PBS and also the program NOVA which recently had an episode similar to this about how the Cretaceous (K) and Paleogene (Pg) extinction event made room for mammals.

Rise of the Mammals

Amazing fossils reveal how mammals took over after an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs.

www.pbs.org

The K-Pg asteroid impact that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs occurred at the Chicxulub crater, located on the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico. Specifically, the center of the crater is offshore near the community of Chicxulub. This impact is widely accepted as the cause of the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event.

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-10T09:13:00-0500

Looks like DC might be the next location. Certainly the legal situation there is a little different, being in the District.

Note this is not in response to any unrest or rioting, but in order to fight 'crime', which has actually fallen to historic lows.

Trump promises Monday ‘press conference’ at White House will ‘essentially stop violent crime in Washington, DC’

“On Monday a Press Conference will be held at the White House which will, essentially, stop violent crime in Washington, D.C.” said Trump. “It has become one of the most dangerous cities anywhere in the World. It will soon be one of the safest!!!”

This comes after a Thursday announcement from the White House that it will utilize federal law enforcement on the streets of Washington. Trump said the ramp-up of security would last for seven days, “with the option to extend as needed.” On Wednesday, Trump threatened to take charge of the city’s police force following an attempted hijacking in which an administration staffer was injured.

This week, he told reporters that he may attempt to repeal Washington’s limited “home rule” and that he’s considering “bringing in the National Guard, maybe very quickly.”

Between 2023 and 2024, rates of violent crime dropped 35 percent in Washington, the lowest rates in more than three decades, according to the Department of Justice. This year, violent crime has continued to decrease, down 26 percent year-over-year, according to data released on August 8 by the Metropolitan Police Department.

AdB · 2025-08-10T09:10:51-0500

Rev 19 starts with "a great multitude in heaven", this then is explained to be in relation to the marriage of the Lamb to the believers.
So this marriage is taking place IN heaven.
So at that moment the believers are also IN heaven.
One may argue about what exactly that entails, but it seems to at least indicate the believers are not on earth in any regular or natural manner... So how did they got in heaven? It would be logical to assume that was through the "gathering of the saints" as indicated in the Olivet Discourse, aka the rapture.

It should then be noted that it's only AFTER this marriage that Christ returns to earth for His Second Coming, so this seems to be a strong argument for a rapture before and separate from the Second Coming.

But still, this doesn't state anything about the duration of this marriage, the time between the rapture and the Second Coming, if this is in the spiritual realm ("heaven"), then time might not be passing the same for that event as it does on earth.

So the explanation of the rapture being the saints "going out up into heaven to meet the Lord and then escort Him back to earth" could still be true at the same time.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-08-10T09:10:51-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
No it is not apples and oranges. The principle is the same, remaining faithful to the lost cause.

Why should that be celebrated? Homegrown terrorists also if being born and raised here makes a difference.

Most of these monuments were installed between the 1890s and 1930, during the Jim Crow and post-war periods. Their purpose was to preserve Southern ideology after defeat, not to promote healing or reconciliation.

Today, the reason is entirely different. Supporters of these monuments do not endorse slavery or racism; instead, they display them mainly to oppose liberals.

We will keep putting these monuments on display when the GOP is in power and removing them when Democrats return, repeating this cycle until we recognize how childish this tit-for-tat approach is. Unfortunately, given current attitudes, it may be a long time before Americans outgrow this behavior.

FreeinChrist · 2025-08-10T09:10:16-0500

Vambram said:
Ghislaine Maxwell Cleared Trump During DOJ Interview: Report

Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly said nothing that would be harmful to President Donald Trump during interviews last month with the DOJ.

www.westernjournal.com

Perhaps you will find this report to be informative.

You do realize that the lawyer who went to Maxwell was Trump's personal lawyer during the E. Jean Carroll trial, and Maxwell is getting rewarded for protecting Trump with that move to a minimum security prison?

And Bondi had hundreds of FBI agents combing the Epstein files for Trump's name. It is probably blacked out by now, don't you think?

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