Dan Perez said:

And keras. , will you explain what Phil 2:12 means too WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION READY MEANS ??

DAN P

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I did, in #31.
Your posts are childish, irrelevant and off topic.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I just dont have a revisionist grasp of American history...

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Of course you do, if you think that the Democrats of 2025 are the same party as the Democrats of 1855. Then either you subscribe to a revisionist view of American history, or you simply don't know American history.

It's actually pretty simple. People who brandy about this flag:



Which Party do you think they are more likely to vote for, Democrat or Republican?

When Neo-Nazis gathered a few years back with tiki torches in hand shouting "Jews will not replace us!" they were at the Unite the ____ Rally. Fill in the blank.

-CryptoLutheran

Douggg said:

keras, back in the days of bows and arrows, archers could wrap their arrow tips with and set them on fire and shot the arrows into wooden structures to catch them on fire... i.e. deadly shafts tipped with fire.

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Sure they did and probably David, the Psalmist had that in mind.
What then; does what he wrote mean for us today? Psalm 7:15-16 says their mischief will recoil upon themselves. Kind of seems unlikely that anyone shooting an arrow tipped with fire, would have that happen! It could, but why would the Psalmist mention silly accidents?

Lets get real; rockets and missiles with exploding warheads are the modern 'arrows'. America and Russia have had Nuke tipped ICBM's for many years, now Iran has them; But the moment of attack, is the moment God will act - Deuteronomy 32:34-35.
A tremendously powerful Electro-Magnetic Pulse will be emitted from the sun – Isaiah 30:26, causing all explosive devices to blow up - Psalms 11:6. This is followed 24 hours later, by a multi million ton mass of superheated hydrogen plasma - Joel 2:1-11. This Coronal Mass Ejection will strike the Middle East at mid day - Zephaniah 2:4. Clearing and cleansing that entire area.
The rest of the prophesied end time events and things, will then take place, leading up to the Glorious Return of Jesus.

Stopped_lurking said:

Why would you cut it there, it clearly shows it only goes back to 1979. This borders on explicitly trying to misdirect the reader, peer-review is what is needed as this point.
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To be honest I did not even read the detail. Just took it for granted that a certificate of authenticity stating its a predynastic vase was a certificate of authenticity for a predynastic vase. Thats what the certificate says. Its certifying its authenticity as a predynastic vase lol. Otherwise its false advertisement and they can be sued.

If you notice down the bittom of the certificate it says purchase dare 1979 and mentions it comes from a collection. I think this collection is what gives it provedence from memory in another article. Some vases were from a famous collector in the 60's after the 6 day Isreali war who was a Isreali general who had obtained vases directly from digs when Isreal took back the land in parts of Egypt.

Anyway I am not trying to hide the provedence of any vase and have acknowledged that some come from the 60's and 70's. I argued that it would be silly for a forger to fake high precision in vases when it was totally unnecessary as precision was not an issue back then. No one was going on about it back then.

Just making the vase would require specialist and be very expensive to make for a back street fake antiques dealer. They could have got away with a far less precise vase as they appear similar until you get down to the micro level. So the whole idea about fakes being made 60 odd years ago is a weak arguement.

Its then pushed to deny the fact that many vases come from museums. So unless you want to start calling museum pieces fakes I don't think the whole provedence red herring is enough to refute the precise vases being made in predysnastic times.

I just found another vase from Matt Bealls collection that has provedence back to 1962 with excellent precision. Even does a live metrology to show its precision.

Aldebaran said:

Has nothing to do with replying to what I said.

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Aldebaran said:
You should remember that when Conservatives likened Biden's speeches and left-wing censorship tactics to things Hitler did and said, we were accused of "Godwin's Law". Your own comparison's of Trump to Hitler and no more valid.

I don't actually recall what you're talking about. But my remarks about the ad hominem attack logical fallacy was what came to mind when I read it. Sounded to me like it had to do with smearing others to avoid the substantive issues and that's where I felt you were going. So, I wanted to remark that pointing out slander is not slander.

While it makes sense that when people discuss some perceived form of demagoguery, like silencing dissent, it will inevitably remind people of Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini, because they're infamous: But Trump actually said, they're "poisoning the blood of our country". And He actually said, "enemy within" and he actually means it. So, any claim that my comparison is somehow a manifestation of Godwin's law is not even close to valid.

Michie said:

What Charlie is failing to mention is the culture and the witness it gives. In Germany, etc. Not a big deal. Other places, yes. Kilts or whatever the usual uniform is does not deny one’s gender. Those forms of dressing can be a manly form of dress depending on culture. Movie stars or fashion shots do not do that and it is not in the setting in the Church where appearance could cause scandal. Something completely different than what the op discusses. Again Charlie, thanks for the derail.

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I agree. It's the intent behind the dressing that is important. If someone is trying to fool people that they are the opposite sex, then it's a grave sin.

ThatRobGuy said:

It's not to present a "different way of thinking for consideration", it's to present a certain way of thinking to steer person in one direction or the other.

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When you put it that broadly, you could make that argument about literally any piece of media ever produced. Ultimately, what this comes down to is that the message is one that you (and others) find objectionable.

Michie said:

We need bolder believers of what Jesus told us in Scripture.

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I tried a few times to get a priest to bless my house, but the first one had a crush on me and the second one said he "didn't believe in all that". The bishop said he believed me, but couldn't help. I just decided it was my cross and I will have to offer up my sufferings regarding it.

timothyu said:

Man has wrongly thought so since the Garden.

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1 Tim 2:3-6 Gods will that all be saved if even one is lost then that one's will would be greater than Gods.

Delvianna said:

Jesus didn't say this, you did.

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I'm simply using your analogy about messing up dinner to apply what Jesus said.

Here is what Jesus said:

Romans 5
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Delvianna said:

Because you said, "God's righteousness is not subject to the law," which doesn't make any sense when righteousness is literally following the law. That's the definition.

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I was hoping you might understand this if we could at least agree that God Who formed all things IS NOT A THIEF. <-- Hence, He is not subject to, or under the law. I would consider it an insult to the HOLY IMAGE OF GOD to tell God "THOU shalt not steal" because it implies that it's possible He could be a thief.

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God is not 'subject' (defined above) to the ten commandments because He is not a sinner. He cannot take His name in vain, He cannot put any gods before Him. I'm saying that God's righteousness is not dictated to HIM by the law. I'm saying GOD's Righteousness exists apart from the letter of the law because He is the Spirit of Love that is the goodness in mankind that keeps the law. And I'm even saying that God's righteousness is greater than the letter of the Law because His Love lays down His life for sinners.


5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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You're conflating two concepts, the fruit of the spirit which grows with love, and the requirement by God that says we are supposed to act righteously which is following his moral law. Again, righteousness is following the law.

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I don't see my interpretation of scripture as conflating two concepts. I think the scriptures are indicating that if you walk after the Spirit instead of the flesh, you won't sin.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Definition: RIGHTEOUS, a. ri'chus.

1. Just; accordant to the divine law. Applied to persons, it denotes one who is holy in heart, and observant of the divine commands in practice; as a righteous man. Applied to things, it denotes consonant to the divine will or to justice; as a righteous act. It is used chiefly in theology, and applied to God, to his testimonies and to his saints.

The righteous, in Scripture, denote the servants of God, the saints.

2. Just; equitable; merited.

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This above reminds me of this--> Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

The above scriptures match exactly what I testify to. When I say righteousness, I'm testifying to a Spirit that loves others as oneself dwelling within me. And I'm saying that this Spirit of righteousness was attained by grace through faith apart from the law, which means I didn't attain the Spirit by following the law.

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I literally keep asking what you mean because you don't explain yourself very well and based off of what you say, is how I respond.

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You literally just highlighted my point in bold "being witnessed by the law".

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Is that your point? I have no problem with that point so long as it includes both the law and the prophets.

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Put the concept of that verse together. You're singling out 1 part of the verse by pointing to the word righteousness and highlighting "without the law" while you aren't understanding the point of the verse and then ignoring other parts of scripture. You can't single out verses like this because there are points and concepts that group verses together to get the big picture which include these verses:

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I don't know why you would think I'm singling out one part of the verse. I can't even make my point that the righteousness that comes by grace through faith comes apart from the letter of the law, if the righteousness in letter doesn't exist to witness to it.

It's the same as saying God will write the law on one's heart and cause us to walk in His Way. It's the same as saying, God has given us His wonderful law but as yet has not given these people a heart to keep it. The Holy Spirit is teaching me that I can't keep the law with my flesh, I have to have God's Spirit of Truth dwelling in my heart to be set free from the slavery of sin.

Delvianna said:

James 2:21-24 "Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected... You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."

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Well, there's a difference between what Paul means by works of the law and what James means by works of faith. I view those as two different meanings of works (arguing semantics). James is referring to the works that happen as a product of faith in The Christ, NOT the works of the law like don't steal, don't murder, don't lie, don't commit adultery, etc...

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James 2:26 "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."

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True that.

Delvianna said:

Matthew 25:31-46 (Parable of the Sheep and Goats) “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you... for I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat...’”

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Great scripture. Great clarity. This to me the emphasis in bold is the same as saying "you loved me as yourself".

Delvianna said:

Romans 2:6-7 "Who will repay each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life."

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I don't particularly like to think I am trying to seek glory, honor, or immortality. I just want to be thankful to God for the loving goodness that cares enough about others to do the right thing.

SabbathBlessings said:

Since this thread took a turn from the OP, I will address something here thats keeps being repeated, What does under the law or being released from the law mean.

Paul speak of this and actually explains it.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become [a]guilty before God.

Under the laws means being guilty before God or under the penalty of the law, It does not mean one doesn't need to keep the law and disobey Jesus and His teachings. Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat19:17-19 Mat5:19-30 etc

It does not mean we can sin and break God's law 1John3:4 James2:11

Rom6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

Paul makes this point clearly....


Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


So does Paul mean under the law is not keeping the law?

Of course not...... he goes on to say if we do these things that are against the Spirit- BREAKING GOD"S LAW one will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

It’s what he is speaking about in several chapters like Romans 7 and 8. The battle of the flesh against obeying the law of God and walking in the Spirit where there is no condemnation. To make the claim that walking in the Spirit means to be disobeying God's law is not a teaching from the Scriptures Isa8:20 Its basically pitting God’s laws against God’s Sprit, when God’s Spirit is the one who wrote God’s laws and enables us to keep them through our love and faith.

These are all conditional promises

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Acts 5:32 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


Compared to those who do not keep

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Rev 22:15 [a]But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


It’s not God that doesn't want us to keep His commandments through love and faith and stay in our sins. He wants to free us from our sins, but not everyone wants to come to the light/truth Jesus because they love their sins more than they love Jesus to set us free John 3:19-21 John8:32

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You said it better than I did, great job!

To make the last point I was trying to make, all scripture weaves together and forms the same points without any contradictions. If you read a verse and interpret it one way, but there is another verse somewhere else that negates your interpretation, you have to toss out that interpretation.

To sum up: The law isn't done away with, God took the penalty for us breaking it but that doesn't mean we keep on breaking it. He expects us to still follow it to the best of our ability because we are supposed to be as Christ like as we can be, as well as growing in fruits of the spirit. How many times does God say repent, even in the new testament? If being saved means you can keep on sinning, then there is zero point in Jesus telling others to repent, or the latest book that was written, Revelation, mentioning repentance either. It even mentions people during the tribulation period don't repent (Revelation 9:21). If it doesn't matter, why mention it? Walking righteousness (following the moral law) alone doesn't save us, we are saved by Christ alone, but true faith in Christ has proof by righteous actions and spiritual fruit growth. It is evidence of salvation, not the requirement. This concept is the culmination of Romans, 1 John, 2 Peter, James another places and not just tied to a few verses.

Wolseley said:

Well, if atheism succeeds in supplanting Christianity, it won't hold that position for long. The Muslims will replace them within a generation.

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I would say, less than a generation. End times would have come.

Mt 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
Mt 24:22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
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Mt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
Mt 24:30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;
Mt 24:31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Mt 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

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BPPLEE said:

Blowing up the shipments on the way to the US may prove to be more effective

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Even taking the administrations claims to blow up "drug cartel" boats at their word (I don't), it has very limited effects. The long term effects are minimal. Eliminating part of the supply tends to increase the street value of the drugs.

BPPLEE said:

You want to legalize fentanyl?

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Fentanyl is just another kind of opioid that from a user point of view, is more or less interchangeable, and one that's highly profitable for cartels because legal opioids became harder to obtain.

Better strategies would be addressing systemic reasons why so many people are addicted to opioids in the first place, like lack of treatment for opoid addiction, lack of mental healthcare, and the disintegration of community institutions and jobs.

linux.poet said:

Gracious Heavenly Father and Lord Jesus,
I pray for healing for Sue, especially for the known lung tumor that is bothering her. I pray for Your hand of comfort and peace for her as she endures all of these medical tests. I pray for the doctors who view the results of these tests, that they might have Your wisdom to decide on the best course of treatment to help her. Guard her from medical mistakes, and please restore her health.
In Christ's Name,
Amen

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Thank you so much! That is a beautiful prayer. God bless you.

Marilyn C said:

Jesus will come to the Mount of Olives just as God`s word said - (Acts 1: 11 & Zech. 14: 4) And that is to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.

The Body of Christ is long gone.

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What does that have to do with Jesus coming to earth? I thought you were questioning whether Jesus even returns to earth? Clearly, you're now admitting that he comes to the Mt. of Olives!

So now, your point seems to be that Jesus comes to the earth for Israel but takes the Body of Christ to heaven to be there? Please explain for me what you're trying to say in this regard?

SabbathBlessings said:

I see a lot of opinions here, too much to even try to sort through and saying things I never said or even indicated. I think when Jesus said "WHOEVER" Mat5:19 means just that. Guess everything will get sorted out soon enough.

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I would ensure that your position is in agreement with what the NT teaches, and with what Paul teaches regarding the Law. You completely ignore that while insisting on teaching the need to observe OT law and the Sabbath law.

Just saying you can't "sort through" these points does not give you the right to spout off info that is in my view clearly heretical.