Today's the day, don't get distracted: NY Civil Fraud Judgment due

[evoeth]

Today's really the day, I promise.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Toxic corruption meets Lady Accountability.
May the judge survive. Donald Trump will come undone soon. His image is completely tarnished. He doesn't abide in truth, so he can face the consequences. $300,000,000 million fine is my guess.

Good guess. $355m, plus $4m each for Eric and Don Jr

Live updates: Trump ordered to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

A judge has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million in a ruling in the New York civil fraud case. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

 

[GoldenBoy89]

So much winning!

 

[Brihaha]

Good guess. $355m, plus $4m each for Eric and Don Jr

Live updates: Trump ordered to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

A judge has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million in a ruling in the New York civil fraud case. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

Wow! I always knew I lean conservative haha. Judgie Poo meting out some justice. Good for him. And New York.

 

[7thKeeper]

Good guess. $355m, plus $4m each for Eric and Don Jr

Live updates: Trump ordered to pay nearly $355 million in civil fraud trial

A judge has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million in a ruling in the New York civil fraud case. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

And prohibited from doing business in NY for three years.

 

[wing2000]

And prohibited from doing business in NY for three years.

...plus

"Whoever takes over the company will do so under the close eye of two overseers,a monitor and an independent director of compliance, put in place by Engoron to ensure that the company complies with financial reporting obligations. Trump can remain the owner, but he has lost control."

That certainly won't fly with you know who.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/trump-ny-fraud-trial-decision/#link-ACDMVRCYG5AKDOHAFDRAPS4H44

 

[NxNW]

There is no victim.

If I try to rob sometime and fail, there is no crime?

There is no victim.

The bank is the victim.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Speaking after the verdict, Trump said he would appeal against the decision, branded the case a political witch-hunt, and accused James and Engoron of being corrupt.

Excellent. So hopefully they'll now sue and he'll lose some more money.

 

[A2SG]

Are you lol? It is a sham. If you can't understand simple financial business concepts, I can't help you.

I never asked you to. Clearly, Judge Engoron knows more about it, and the specifics of NY law, than you.

Which is why he was the judge, and you weren't.

-- A2SG, if he was wrong about any of his rulings, the Appeals court will rule on it...again, not you.

 

[HARK!]

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[Aldebaran]

PLEASE TRY TO KEEP POSTS ON-TOPIC, AND OFF OF OPINIONS ABOUT OTHER MEMBERS. BE CIVIL.​

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

They could have charged him MORE interest had he properly reported his valuations.

It's been explained numerous times to you now.

look, I don't think ANYONE is a fan of banks. But trump did what us common folk could only DREAM of doing (defrauding banks and getting away with it) ; So why shouldn't he pay the price BECAUSE he broke the law?

That was up to the bank. I have explained all of this too. Banks do their own valuations. Trump can say anything he wants, anyone can. Does not matter. The banks decide in the end.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If I try to rob sometime and fail, there is no crime?

The bank is the victim.

LOL, you think you or anyone can rob a bank through loans THEY decide to give?

 

[rambot]

That was up to the bank. I have explained all of this too. Banks do their own valuations. Trump can say anything he wants, anyone can. Does not matter. The banks decide in the end.

In your mind, does that mean you are permitted to TRY to defraud a bank?

 

[NxNW]

LOL, you think you or anyone can rob a bank through loans THEY decide to give?

If the decisions, including amount, terms, and interest rate are based on false information, then it's fraud.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yeah, we know.

But...neither one of us has the specific knowledge of the NY legal code that Judge Engoron has. He's the one who will decide if that defense is enough to rule Trump not guilty of the charges of fraud.

-- A2SG, and let's not forget...Trump has already been ruled guilty of that. So...

As Kevin O'Leary kindly explained to the woman asking him questions...

What fraud?

Real estate is a speculative market. Matket values aren't assessed by the tax man.

At the beginning of this I pointed out that literally nobody in the real estate business could explain this case in a way that made any sense....

Now you literally have the governor trying to reassure the businesses fleeing NY "don't worry...we're just going after Trump...we won't pursue you too".

Gotta love when these fascists have their mask off moments. Fascist is appropriate here....because the heart of National Socialism economics is the appropriation of big business for state means and ends. The China model...minus the dark dungeon they throw you in.

 

[A2SG]

As Kevin O'Leary kindly explained to the woman asking him questions...

What fraud?

Real estate is a speculative market. Matket values aren't assessed by the tax man.

It's still fraud according to NY law.

But I don't expect Kevin O'Leary to know much about NY law. After all, he's not a lawyer, nor is he from New York. Or even the US.

But hey, don't take my word for it:

452564 2022 People of the State of v People of the State of Decision After Trial 1688 | PDF | Fraud | Finance & Money Management

452564 2022 People of the State of v People of the State of Decision After Trial 1688

www.scribd.com

At the beginning of this I pointed out that literally nobody in the real estate business could explain this case in a way that made any sense....

Now you literally have the governor trying to reassure the businesses fleeing NY "don't worry...we're just going after Trump...we won't pursue you too".

That is a false quote.

Here's exactly what Governor Hochul said:

“I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they’re very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,” Hochul responded. ...​

The governor provided reassurance to New York businesses after the ruling. “By and large, they are honest people and they’re not trying to hide their assets and they’re following the rules,” she said of the people who own and conduct business in the New York City area.​

“And so this judge determined that Donald Trump did not follow the rules. He was prosecuted and truly, the governor of the state of New York does not have a say in the size of a fine, and we want to make sure that we don’t have that level of interference,” she said. ​

If you're gonna attempt to quote someone, please at least try to get it right.

Gotta love when these fascists have their mask off moments. Fascist is appropriate here....because the heart of National Socialism economics is the appropriation of big business for state means and ends. The China model...minus the dark dungeon they throw you in.

It's "fascist" now to investigate and punish fraud?

Wow, word definitions change so fast in MAGA world!

-- A2SG, guess now "fascist" means anyone who dares to have the effrontery to hold Trump accountable for....well, anything....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If the decisions, including amount, terms, and interest rate are based on false information, then it's fraud.

banks make loans dependent on what THEY think...they don't make loans to loose money lol

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

In your mind, does that mean you are permitted to TRY to defraud a bank?

I couldn't even if I tried lol

 

[JustOneWay]

Billionaire business man perpetrates business fraud, and his supporters are aghast when fraud is punished, then supporters give money to fraudulent billionaire business man. When and why did people start losing their sense of right and wrong? Is there something in the water, or something to do with long Covid?