Trump is found liable for fraud in New York civil case

[essentialsaltes]

Donald Trump to be the last defense witness called in his civil fraud trial next month​

Awwwww....

Changing course, Trump says he won’t testify again at his New York fraud trial​

Trump’s cancellation caught court officials by surprise.

[Trump also told Eric not to testify.]

 

[NxNW]

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That has to be satire, right?

 

[Arcangl86]

Awwwww....

Changing course, Trump says he won’t testify again at his New York fraud trial​

Trump’s cancellation caught court officials by surprise.

[Trump also told Eric not to testify.]

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I love how he neglected to mention that he was paying said professor $1350/hr to work for him on this case. It kind of makes his testimony suspect.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That has to be satire, right?

Could be. The grammar is better than I’d expect from one of his all-caps rants. Not many people would use single apostrophes around the ‘A’.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That has to be satire, right?

It's the TruthSocial and nothing but the TruthSocial, so help me Don.

 

[Arcangl86]

Also, the defense he has settled on is wild. "I did nothing wrong, but even if I did they should have known not to trust me."

 

[essentialsaltes]

 

[Bradskii]

Is he going to hold his breath until he turns blue?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Is he going to hold his breath until he turns blue?

Given his orangey baseline, wouldn’t that make him brown, like an illegal? Or would he turn out more blue and orange like a movie poster?

 

[Gene2memE]

I love how he neglected to mention that he was paying said professor $1350/hr to work for him on this case. It kind of makes his testimony suspect.

Ehhhh, yes and no.

There are plenty of experts that testify in court that get reimbursed for their time. An old boss was a recognised expert on groundwater contamination. Even after he retired, he still consulted on cases, wrote reports and was an expert witness for various parties.

I will agree that things gets shady when lawyers start paying experts far in excess of their typical earnings. If you're a consultant getting ~$125 an hour for independent work, it's more than a bit suspicious if your rate for a court case is $500 an hour.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There's been some chatter in the wrong thread about whether a nameless bank employee testified that "there was no fraud".

While it's hard to track down what someone may or may not have heard on Newsmax, here's some context.

Please try to keep your mind on the crux of the matter. It is not whether the bank was repaid; it is not whether the bank was happy. It is whether the bank was defrauded (and in particular whether any bank employee claimed it was not).

Trump defense points to bankers as proof business dealings had ‘no victim’​

“I would point out that the mere fact that the lenders were happy doesn’t mean that the statute wasn’t violated, doesn’t mean that the other statutes weren’t violated,” Judge Arthur Engoron said, taking the request [to dismiss the case] under advisement.

Throughout the trial, Trump’s attorneys have attempted to show that banks were eager to work with the Trump Organization and excited by the outcomes of their partnerships — that there was “no victim” of the business’s real estate dealings, implying the New York attorney general had no right to bring the case because the banks did not sue him over misrepresentations.

Nicholas Haigh, Deutsche Bank’s former risk management officer, previously testified in the New York attorney general’s case that Trump’s statements of financial condition played a vital role in the approval of two of those loans

Trump was able to secure bigger loans with lower interest rates thanks to the documents, Haigh said.

earlier in the trial, an expert witness hired by the state testified that the Trump Organization’s skewed financial statements may have cost banks more than $168 million in interest across four projects.

Deutsche Bank Managing Director David Williams ... said Tuesday that bankers viewed their clients’ statements of financial condition as “subjective or subject to estimates,” taking their own look at the reports of net worth. bankers routinely “make some adjustments.”

“You would have had an expectation that a borrower like Mr. Trump would present their financial information fairly?” state attorney Kevin Wallace asked, according to ABC News.

“Yes,” Vrablic replied.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Judge rejects key points of Trump’s defense in NY civil fraud case in bad sign for former president​

It would be a “glaring flaw” to assume testimony from Trump accounting experts Eli Bartov and Jason Flemmons are true and accurate, the judge wrote.

The case record proves there are many material misstatements on Trump’s personal financial statements, according to Engoron.

“Bartov is a tenured professor, but all that his testimony proves is that for a million or so dollars, some experts will say whatever you want them to say,” Engoron wrote. “By doggedly attempting to justify every misstatement, Professor Bartov lost all credibility.”

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“If you pay a lower interest rate on a loan by overstating the value of any of your assets, thus lowering the perceived risk to the lender, your gains are ill-gotten,” Engoron said. “That the instant lenders made millions of dollars and were happy with the transactions does not mean that they were not damaged by lending at lower interest rates than they otherwise would have.”

 

[essentialsaltes]

"Trump's attorney earlier Wednesday asked Engoron to direct the clerk to stop rolling her eyes."

Trump attacked her as a 'co-judge'; now NY law clerk Allison Greenfield is on her way to becoming an actual judge​

Last week, Greenfield cleared the biggest hurdle to the Manhattan civil judgeship, when local Democratic Party leaders rated her "most highly qualified."

The next big step happens on Monday. That's when Democratic district leaders are expected to nominate Greenfield as the unopposed Democratic candidate for the judgeship on the November ballot.

Democratic candidates for judgeships often run unopposed in this city of few Republicans.

[Trump's lawyer Alina] Habba, in particular, has singled her out, complaining to the judge on a trial date in October about "the treatment that I've received from Ms. Greenfield from the bench."

"It is inappropriate," Habba said, facing both Engoron and Greenfield, who she said had rolled her eyes during her cross-examination of Michael Cohen.

"I do not like having eyes rolled," Habba said. "I do not like being yelled at by law clerks who did not earn the robe, and I think this is completely inappropriate."

 

[DaisyDay]

"I do not like having eyes rolled," Habba said.

Poor dear. I suspect she gets that a lot.

 

[Servus]

Awwwww....

Changing course, Trump says he won’t testify again at his New York fraud trial​

Trump’s cancellation caught court officials by surprise.

[Trump also told Eric not to testify.]

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Wasn't this case supposed to be wrapped up by now?

 

[Bradskii]

Wasn't this case supposed to be wrapped up by now?

From here: Trump’s fraud trial rattled by witness’s possible perjury deal

'Arthur Engoron, the judge presiding over the case, sent an email to the trial’s lawyers on Monday asking them to give him more information about a supposed perjury deal that Allen Weisselberg, a former Trump Organization executive, is making with the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg.

In his email, Engoron said he wanted to know whether Weisselberg “is admitting he lied under oath in my courtroom at this trial”. “Although the Times article focuses on the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, his testimony on other topics could be called into question.”

Engoron said he might use such a perjury admittance to “invoke falsus in uno”, meaning he would judge Weisselberg’s entire testimony as not credible. Engoron asked lawyers from the attorney general’s office and from Trump’s team to detail “anything you know about this that would not violate any of your professional ethics or obligations” along with how the lawyers think Engoron should “address this matter, if at all, including the timing of the final decision”. He gave them a 7 February deadline.'

More rats deserting the the sinking ship.

 

[Servus]

From here: Trump’s fraud trial rattled by witness’s possible perjury deal

'Arthur Engoron, the judge presiding over the case, sent an email to the trial’s lawyers on Monday asking them to give him more information about a supposed perjury deal that Allen Weisselberg, a former Trump Organization executive, is making with the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg.

In his email, Engoron said he wanted to know whether Weisselberg “is admitting he lied under oath in my courtroom at this trial”. “Although the Times article focuses on the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, his testimony on other topics could be called into question.”

Engoron said he might use such a perjury admittance to “invoke falsus in uno”, meaning he would judge Weisselberg’s entire testimony as not credible. Engoron asked lawyers from the attorney general’s office and from Trump’s team to detail “anything you know about this that would not violate any of your professional ethics or obligations” along with how the lawyers think Engoron should “address this matter, if at all, including the timing of the final decision”. He gave them a 7 February deadline.'

More rats deserting the the sinking ship.

So it's still flapping in the wind.

 

[Bradskii]

That's an odd thing to say. It's been delayed while the judge investigates the implications of one of Trumps executives committing perjury.

 

[Servus]

That's an odd thing to say. It's been delayed while the judge investigates the implications of one of Trumps executives committing perjury.

What do you think I meant other than it's still not finalized as you just said?

 

[Bradskii]

What do you think I meant other than it's still not finalized as you just said?

Lots of activity but going nowhere.