Today's the day, don't get distracted: NY Civil Fraud Judgment due

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It's a demonstration that items subject to property tax are often self reported. How do you think the NY County Tax Assessor values a penthouse apartment that has never been on the market in its entire 40 year existence? Do you think maybe Trump argues for a lower value per square foot than he used in the loan application and the proper rather than inflated square footage?

Since the case is largely about bank fraud we should talk about that, but there are tax related issues. For example, Trump has an "estate" in the NY suburbs -- a big house with a lot of land. He valued it as if the land could be subdivided for development and sold off as individual lots, but he can't as he took a tax break for a conservation easement that prohibits development. Likewise, Trump signed covenants for tax breaks on the "Mar-a-Lago" property that prohibit subdivision and development, yet valued the property as collateral as if it could be redeveloped. Falsifying those facts in loan applications is a crime.

No it does not demonstrate that. The tax assessor values it the same as they do everywhere else, by comparing to other similar properties. Trump can do anything regarding tax, only the local county and State regulate taxes. Bank loans are based on value THE BANK deems, not Trump. Come on guys!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Have Trump's legal team used your arguments yet? OR it is probable that your arguments are useless?


There's no reason to think it's a sham trial unless you uncritically worship Trump

They are useless of course since it is a witch hunt...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It can and it does. I have seen it happen in insurance and in banking. The Trump name was enough for them not to look to close.

Now any bank giving him a loan is going to look closely, if they even pick up the phone.

LOL, no it doesn't. But if they did, that is THEIR fault, not Trumps...

 

[rambot]

Make fun all you want. Will not stand on appeal

Oh yeah? Is that when they bring out the big guns?

I'm convinced the reason the judge delayed his ruling is to make sure it is absolutely and completely air tight; WHATEVER the result. I
m sure you'd argue that because he "has it in for Trump" instead of simply "the best way to predict future behaviour is noticing past behaviour".

 

[rambot]

They are useless of course since it is a witch hunt...

So Trump is part of his own takedown?

None of the good lawyers wnat to work for him because he's a bad client.

Or wait....you think Trump's NOT a victim of his own hubris and behaviour?

 

[Hans Blaster]

No it does not demonstrate that. The tax assessor values it the same as they do everywhere else, by comparing to other similar properties. Trump can do anything regarding tax, only the local county and State regulate taxes. Bank loans are based on value THE BANK deems, not Trump. Come on guys!

I think you'll find that the bank accepted trump's false claims about the square footage of his apartment and the subdividibility of his other properties. What do you think fraud is?

 

[Paulos23]

LOL, no it doesn't. But if they did, that is THEIR fault, not Trumps...

Trump lied to them, it is still his fault. It is there bad for not double-checking his claims, but he still broke the law.

 

[SimplyMe]

Make fun all you want. Will not stand on appeal

On what basis will it be overturned on appeal?

 

[7thKeeper]

Oh yeah? Is that when they bring out the big guns?

I'm convinced the reason the judge delayed his ruling is to make sure it is absolutely and completely air tight; WHATEVER the result. I
m sure you'd argue that because he "has it in for Trump" instead of simply "the best way to predict future behaviour is noticing past behaviour".

Also perhaps because of the info that came from former judge Barbara Jones' audit of the finances. Like the, iirc, $48 million phantom loan that appears to be tax evasion, besides all the other inconsistencies, incomplete filings and misrepresentations in their filings.

 

[7thKeeper]

LOL, no it doesn't. But if they did, that is THEIR fault, not Trumps...

See, this is kinda the problem. Some people here are giving examples of why he's guilty of the things claimed (and he has already been found viable for fraud) and explanations to that effect.
You, on the other hand, can basically only go "LOL, no." That's the level of your argument.

 

[A2SG]

Well since I think it is a sham trial and politically driven, probably not

Well, at least that's honest. It's a sham and political, and Trump is innocent because Trump says so. Case closed.

I'm sure you're basing your conclusions on your years of legal experience in the NY legal and banking system, but the fact of the matter is, Trump is guilty of fraud. That's already been determined, based on the evidence. And it's not the first time Trump or his organization have committed fraud.

-- A2SG, and, I'm more than willing to bet, not the last....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Oh yeah? Is that when they bring out the big guns?

I'm convinced the reason the judge delayed his ruling is to make sure it is absolutely and completely air tight; WHATEVER the result. I
m sure you'd argue that because he "has it in for Trump" instead of simply "the best way to predict future behaviour is noticing past behaviour".

I have heard that judge looses most of his rulings under appeal.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So Trump is part of his own takedown?

None of the good lawyers wnat to work for him because he's a bad client.

Or wait....you think Trump's NOT a victim of his own hubris and behaviour?

Being a bad client does not make you guilty. They do not want to work for him partially because they will be attacked by the left

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

See, this is kinda the problem. Some people here are giving examples of why he's guilty of the things claimed (and he has already been found viable for fraud) and explanations to that effect.
You, on the other hand, can basically only go "LOL, no." That's the level of your argument.

No that is not my argument. I have already explained my position in past posts...ie bank loans, taxes, etc

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Well, at least that's honest. It's a sham and political, and Trump is innocent because Trump says so. Case closed.

I'm sure you're basing your conclusions on your years of legal experience in the NY legal and banking system, but the fact of the matter is, Trump is guilty of fraud. That's already been determined, based on the evidence. And it's not the first time Trump or his organization have committed fraud.

-- A2SG, and, I'm more than willing to bet, not the last....

You do not need to keep with the catty comments. No, it is based on what the politically biased judge and AG thinks. He has been doing business in NY for decades and ALL of this has been AFTER his presidency. The left is definitely trying to keep Trump from running and the White House ANY way they can...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Trump lied to them, it is still his fault. It is there bad for not double-checking his claims, but he still broke the law.

There is no victim.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

On what basis will it be overturned on appeal?

Non-biased minds will prevail and a different judge

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I think you'll find that the bank accepted trump's false claims about the square footage of his apartment and the subdividibility of his other properties. What do you think fraud is?

Again so? That is the bank's business.

 

[A2SG]

You do not need to keep with the catty comments. No, it is based on what the politically biased judge and AG thinks.

The verdict, you mean? Yeah, it's based on what the judge decides, and he bases that on the evidence.

If you want to claim his decision isn't based on evidence, but instead on his political bias, go ahead and show me how. Make your case, and provide the evidence.

Otherwise, you're just echoing Trump's exceptionally biased opinion.

He has been doing business in NY for decades and ALL of this has been AFTER his presidency.

Yeah, and Trump has had legal issues during pretty much all of that time, going back to at least 1973. He's also been found guilty of fraud before: in 2013 with his "misleading and even illegal" Trump University, in 2004 for the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Fort Lauderdale, and with the Trump Foundation in 2016. He's even been sued by his niece, Mary, for defrauding her over his father, Fred Trump's will. I might have missed a few, I can only search Trump's legal history for so long before getting tired.

The left is definitely trying to keep Trump from running and the White House ANY way they can...

This isn't gonna do that, and "the left" knows that. There is nothing in the Constitution preventing even a convicted felon from running for president. A couple of people have done it already, in fact. Look up Eugene V. Debs and Lyndon LaRouche sometime.

So that particular conspiracy theory doesn't hold up to reality.

-- A2SG, but feel free to come up with another one....

 

[KCfromNC]

Oh yeah? Is that when they bring out the big guns?

Do we know if Four Seasons Total Landscaping free for press conferences that week? Might want to book in advance to make sure.