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Featured The Rule of faith and practice is not scripture "alone"

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveofTruth, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    I see your words here as an admission that you are unable to resist the wisdom of the truth in this matter and all the scriptures that have been used to correct your errors. Your errors are so magnified for all to see that almost every post needed correction and almost every word.

    The religious men could not resist the Spirit of God working in his children of the past as many today cannot either. To God be the glory praise Him!

    It is God which workers in us who hear His voice to will and to do and He gives us a mouth and wisdom that none can resist.

    Luke 21:15. For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.”

    Acts 6:10,12,13 “And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake....12. And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council, 13. And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:”
     
  2. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    I don’t consider scriptural expounding, teaching, correction, reproof, rebuke and instruction in righteousness a waste of time. But sadly some do. My Lord says

    Isaiah 55:10, 11 “For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”

    And spiritual things are not “obvious”. No natural man can understand or know the things of God. Only in the Spirit can we know.

    1 Corinthians 2:11,14 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
     
  3. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    No, you are wrong here.

    (I will post this even if you are unable to answer these clear truths so that all who read on may have clarity and understand.)

    1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

    Notice the seed is “in” them. And notice this seed is called “his seed”.

    Also

    Galatians 3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed...And to thy seed, which is Christ... 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,...”

    Spoken to Gentiles as well, not referring to physical descendants but the spiritual life in Christ Jesus of all who are Christ seed.
     
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  4. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    No, wrong again.

    God is the divine preacher we read that the word of the Lord came to the prophets and God spoke through them in the first person, It was God speaking spiritually through them to other humans.

    Some verses to consider (or those who read on)

    Isaiah 45:22, 33 “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.”

    This was God speaking through the prophet. God is the divine preacher. If some heard Isaiah speaking and saying “look unto me...I am God”, obviously they must not say that Isaiah is God, but rather that God was speaking in him and preaching through Him.

    Judges 6:10. And I said unto you, I am the LORD your God; fear not the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but ye have not obeyed my voice.”
     
  5. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    You are clearly in error here, they had scriptures and Paul said the scriptures they had were able to to help the man in Christ to be perfected and furnished unto all good works through faith (and Christ dwells in the heart through faith God works in us to make us perfect unto every good work Hebrews 13:20,21 KJV)

    They didn’t need to wait for the future far off to have this

    2 Timothy 3:15,17 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

    And read my post again about the three main ways saints are perfected.
     
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  6. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    To all:

    Colossians 4:6. “Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man“
     
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  7. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    Again corrected...

    John 14:6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

    1 John 2:27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

    John 8:32. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...36. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

    1 John 2:4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

    2 Corinthians 11 - 10. As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.”

    3 John 1:3, 4 “For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. 4. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.”
     
  8. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    Something I read recently, interesting

    “The principal rule of Christians under the Gospel is not an outward letter, nor law outwardly written and delivered, but an inward spiritual law, engraven in the heart, the law of the Spirit of life, the Word that is nigh in the heart and in the mouth”
     
  9. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    Luther, Calvin and other well known writers of the past believed that Cornelius was saved before he met Peter.

    I don’t need to use men of the past to prove this point but since you seem to only listen to other commentators I can use them for you.
     
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  10. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    ...
     
  11. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    To all: some have quoted this verse to me as if it shows that men only need scripture to have faith

    Romans 10:17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

    And yet wecread in Hebrews 11 many Old Testament saints that had faith and no scripture yet. We read of men like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, etc having faith and no scripture yet. But they did have the Seed, Christ, the Word in them.

    Also read my comments in this thread about Romans 10.

    God bless
     
  12. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Interesting. I believe you and I have engaged one another about "sola scriptura" in the past. My longstanding critique of this doctrine is how it's defined differently by virtually everybody who believes in it.

    However, in your post there you raise a great point in defining how the people who created "sola scriptura" define it.

    Is that definition of the term also your understanding and application of "sola scriptura"?

    Also, what are the contours of that? Does a given doctrine have to be explicitly stated in Sacred Scripture? Or must a given doctrine simply not flagrantly conflict with Sacred Scripture?

    The above are just questions. They're not intended to lead into something else. I just found your post genuinely helpful and want some more information, that's all.
     
  13. redleghunter

    redleghunter Abide Boldy my friend Supporter

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    I do believe I provided the Reformation definition of Sola Scriptura several times in this older thread. I’ll do it again:

    Of course, like many core Christian convictions, the doctrine of sola Scripturahas often been misunderstood and misapplied. Unfortunately, some have used sola Scriptura as a justification for a “me, God, and the Bible” type of individualism, where the church bears no real authority and the history of the church is not considered when interpreting and applying Scripture. Thus, many churches today are almost ahistorical—cut off entirely from the rich traditions, creeds, and confessions of the church. They misunderstand sola Scripturato mean that the Bible is the only authority rather than understanding it to mean that the Bible is the only infallible authority. Ironically, such an individualistic approach actually undercuts the very doctrine of sola Scriptura it is intended to protect. By emphasizing the autonomy of the individual believer, one is left with only private, subjective conclusions about what Scripture means. It is not so much the authority of Scripture that is prized as the authority of the individual.

    The Reformers would not have recognized such a distortion as their doctrine of sola Scriptura. On the contrary, they were quite keen to rely on the church fathers, church councils, and the creeds and confessions of the church. Such historical rootedness was viewed not only as a means for maintaining orthodoxy but also as a means for maintaining humility. Contrary to popular perceptions, the Reformers did not view themselves as coming up with something new. Rather, they understood themselves to be recovering something very old—something that the church had originally believed but later twisted and distorted. The Reformers were not innovators but were excavators.

    There are other extremes against which the doctrine of sola Scriptura protects us. While we certainly want to avoid the individualistic and ahistorical posture of many churches today, sola Scriptura also protects us from overcorrecting and raising creeds and confessions or other human documents (or ideas) to the level of Scripture. We must always be on guard against making the same mistake as Rome and embracing what we might call “traditionalism,” which attempts to bind the consciences of Christians in areas that the Bible does not. In this sense, sola Scriptura is a guardian of Christian liberty. But the biggest danger we face when it comes to sola Scriptura is not misunderstanding it. The biggest danger is forgetting it. We are prone to think of this doctrine purely in terms of sixteenth-century debates—just a vestige of the age-old Catholic-Protestant battles and irrelevant for the modern day. But the Protestant church in the modern day needs this doctrine now more than ever. The lessons of the Reformation have been largely forgotten, and the church, once again, has begun to rely on ultimate authorities outside of Scripture.

    More at link:
    Understanding Sola Scriptura
     
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