This is just a question that I haven’t studied completely but from the standpoint of faith is there any Rabbinical teaching that shows a difference between the sand of the sea and the stars of the sky that are to be receivers of Abrahamic promises?Only a remnant????
Romans 11:25
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
I have not said that at all.I think this exposes a huge red flag in your view. IIRC you've said this explicitly elsewhere. This suggests that a person can be saved without Jesus and it's probably through something like "jewishness". This is just a denial of the gospel.
I have not said that at all.
I am not aware of any. But there may be somewhere.This is just a question that I haven’t studied completely but from the standpoint of faith is there any Rabbinical teaching that shows a difference between the sand of the sea and the stars of the sky that are to be receivers of Abrahamic promises?
Let me ask you a question.I've seen you say here that a jewish person who rejects Jesus might be saved. A gentile person who rejects Jesus cannot be saved. So how does the jewish person who rejects Jesus get saved?
Let me ask you a question.
If a gentile baby dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter, what keeps them from going to hell immediately? (or do they?)
Not at all. That is "dual covenant" theory which has serious problems of its own. I do not ascribe to that concept at all.
But Jeremiah and Paul are both clear - Every Jew will accept Jesus as lord and savior. And every physical promise to them will be fulfilled; not "spiritually" or "to the church," but to Physical Ethnic Israel.
One can only be saved by consciously accepting Christ as savior and Lord. An infant is incapable of doing that.So if the baby is saved, she is saved by Christ.
If a gentile baby dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter, what keeps them from going to hell immediately? (or do they?)
As I have said before, I cannot give an answer to that.Even the ones who have already died in unbelief?
Even the Jews that bowed their Knee to Baal and were destroyed By God for doing so? They will accept Jesus and be saved anyway?
Or when you say "every Jew" you mean something other than "EVERY" Jew?
Tree of Life: Please consider the following passage:
Joshua 1:1
Now it came about after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, that the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ servant, saying, 2 “Moses My servant is dead; now therefore arise, cross this Jordan, you and all this people, to the land which I am giving to them, to the sons of Israel. 3 Every place on which the sole of your foot treads, I have given it to you, just as I spoke to Moses. 4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon, even as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and as far as the Great Sea toward the setting of the sun will be your territory. 5 No man will be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I have been with Moses, I will be with you; I will not fail you or forsake you.
Clearly Israel has NEVER in her history occupied the west bank of the Euphrates River (in Iraq)
One can only be saved by consciously accepting Christ as savior and Lord. An infant is incapable of doing that.
And if you are appealing to the Calvinist concept of Unconditional Election, I reject that idea out of hand.
OF course they are. Currently.
Every Jew alive when our Lord returns will accept Him.
And I have answered that already.That's fine. We don't need to go there. I believe you're obscuring the question I posed to you. How is it that a Jew who consciously rejects Jesus might be saved?
As I have said before, I cannot give an answer to that.
Leave it in God's hands.
Why do you need to have that information?
And I have answered that already.
Unless YOU are such a person, a Jew that rejected Christ, why do you want to know?
Do we? That is the error of the "2 House Theory."So that means Every person on earth Alive at that time will accept him, since we all have some Jewish DNA today?
I see nothing in scripture that says God is interested in DNA.Or How much Jewish DNA do you say is required?
Real history would disagree.Actually, the Bible clearly states that ALL of the land promised to the fathers was given to Israel, NOT ONE promise failed Israel. EVERYTHING was fulfilled.
YOU made the claim... and now you say, "well, I really don't know what my claim means, why are you asking me to tell you what MY claim means"?
Posts 67 and 68.I'm sorry I missed where you clearly answered that. Could you repeat your answer?
Posts 67 and 68.
Paul made the claim in Romans 11. "All Israel shall be saved." And in that direct context he says Israel are "enemies of the gospel." Clearly he is NOT talking about the church or believing Jews.
How God wants to work that out is His business.
Paul wrote it. It is in the bible. I believe it.
Nuff said.
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