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Featured Please Stop Saying "Replacement Theology"

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tree of Life, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. tampasteve

    tampasteve Messianic and Lutheran Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Sure it does, maybe not yours - but it does describe some people's views. These are all reasonable terms, maybe they are not reasonable to you, or apply to your beliefs, but that does not mean they do not apply to others.
     
  2. A Realist

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    No.....it's an actual "thing".

    Supersessionism
     
  3. Dave-W

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    Hmmm. The very fact you see them as "propaganda" proves the validity of what I said.
     
  4. Tree of Life

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    How so?
     
  5. Tree of Life

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    I know you can pull up articles of people writing about it. But this doesn't mean that it accurately describes anyone's views or that anyone would assume the label for themselves.

    It's kindof like saying that all Trump supporters are racists. While this may be true of some, the majority would not at all believe that this is a fair way to understand their views or identify them and they would not at all assume this label for themselves.
     
  6. Dave-W

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    Find me a white supremacist that willingly assumes the label "racist" for themselves.

    The fact is both the racist and the replacement theology guy do NOT think there is anything wrong in their viewpoints. So of course they will not accept a negative label.

    That is called "deception," believing something false to be true.
     
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  7. JM

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    Dispensationalism should be called Divisive Theology.
     
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  8. Tree of Life

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    "Supersessionism" doesn't sound all that negative in its labelling or even in its description.

    The reason that no one will assume it for themselves is not because it's negative, but because it doesn't accurately describe their views. This should be a huge indication that there has been a breakdown in communication and understanding.
     
  9. Jonaitis

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    I really, really, [edit: dislike] this label.

    I remember this one woman who asked me about covenant theology, and she kept on insisting that she doesn't believe the church replaced Israel. My reply was consistent, I agree, but she still insisted I believed it. It is a lack of understanding, as you have said, when we are labeled with this name. Replacement theology has no place in covenant theology, totally different.
     
  10. Tree of Life

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    If you can find me one person who assumes the label "supersessionist" for themselves then I will soften my approach a bit.
     
  11. Tree of Life

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    Imagine you're counseling a young couple.

    Husband says: "When my wife says X it makes me really angry." Wife says: "But I'm not saying X at all. I'm really saying Y. I'm mad at my husband because he can't hear me saying Y."

    How would you diagnose their problem?
     
  12. DamianWarS

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    would it be fair then to call replacement theology a straw man argument if indeed no one is claiming it and it is a false premise?
     
  13. DamianWarS

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    that neither one of them are listening.
     
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  14. Tree of Life

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    Yes. If your description of your opponents views would be rejected by your opponent, then you're fighting with a straw man. At this point all of your criticisms of his views are irrelevant because you're not actually interacting with his views.
     
  15. A Realist

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    Racism is a "thing". Some people are racists.

    Supercessionism is a "thing". Some people believe in supersession. If it wasn't a thing, it wouldn't be a thing.
     
  16. Tree of Life

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    This is exactly what I'm challenging. Could you find me one person who agrees that they are a supersessionist?
     
  17. Kenny'sID

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    Dave made the point perfectly.

    Who wants to assume the label "wrong" "mean", whatever, I got a million of them. There are descriptive labels people don't like to be called, but they aren't going away anytime soon because sometimes they're necessary.

    IOW, your challenge there is invalid from the get go.
     
  18. A Realist

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    There are many idiots out there who don't agree they're idiots.
     
  19. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    except it's not really an argument it's a term. it would need some unpacking to know if it, in fact, is a straw man or a misnomer. what terms would you prefer? I've heard "fulfillment theology" as a contender, would you agree to that?
     
  20. Tree of Life

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    This just goes to show how bad communication has become on this issue.
     
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