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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tree of Life, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. LoreneDD

    LoreneDD Mindful of Christ

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    This is just a question that I haven’t studied completely but from the standpoint of faith is there any Rabbinical teaching that shows a difference between the sand of the sea and the stars of the sky that are to be receivers of Abrahamic promises?
     
  2. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    I have not said that at all.
     
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  3. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Dungeon Master

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    I've seen you say here that a jewish person who rejects Jesus might be saved. A gentile person who rejects Jesus cannot be saved. So how does the jewish person who rejects Jesus get saved?
     
  4. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    I am not aware of any. But there may be somewhere.
     
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  5. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Let me ask you a question.

    If a gentile baby dies during childbirth, or shortly thereafter, what keeps them from going to hell immediately? (or do they?)
     
  6. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Dungeon Master

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    Only God's sovereign election to put a person into Christ would keep them from going to hell. So if the baby is saved, she is saved by Christ.
     
  7. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Even the ones who have already died in unbelief?
    Even the Jews that bowed their Knee to Baal and were destroyed By God for doing so? They will accept Jesus and be saved anyway?

    Or when you say "every Jew" you mean something other than "EVERY" Jew?
     
  8. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    One can only be saved by consciously accepting Christ as savior and Lord. An infant is incapable of doing that.

    And if you are appealing to the Calvinist concept of Unconditional Election, I reject that idea out of hand.
     
  9. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    It is dependant on The timing of the The Great White Throne Judgement.

    If it's Past, all born sinners go to hell immediately upon physical death. If future, they have to wait just like everybody.
     
  10. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    As I have said before, I cannot give an answer to that.
    Leave it in God's hands.

    Why do you need to have that information?
     
  11. claninja

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    Actually, the Bible clearly states that ALL of the land promised to the fathers was given to Israel, NOT ONE promise failed Israel. EVERYTHING was fulfilled.

    Joshua 21:43-45 Thus the LORD gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give their fathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. And the LORD gave them rest on every side, just as He had sworn to their fathers. None of their enemies could stand against them, for the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. Not one of all the LORD's good promises to the house of Israel failed; everything was fulfilled.
     
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  12. Tree of Life

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    I agree that one is saved by accepting Christ and infants cannot do this. But the church has traditionally taught that infants dying in infancy might be saved by Christ even though they did not have the ability to accept him. The same is true for mentally handicapped people. This has been based on the idea of unconditional election by Reformed theologians.

    That's fine. We don't need to go there. I believe you're obscuring the question I posed to you. How is it that a Jew who consciously rejects Jesus might be saved?
     
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  13. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    So that means Every person on earth Alive at that time will accept him, since we all have some Jewish DNA today?

    Or How much Jewish DNA do you say is required?
     
  14. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    And I have answered that already.

    Unless YOU are such a person, a Jew that rejected Christ, why do you want to know?
     
  15. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    YOU made the claim... and now you say, "well, I really don't know what my claim means, why are you asking me to tell you what MY claim means"?
     
  16. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Dungeon Master

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    I'm sorry I missed where you clearly answered that. Could you repeat your answer?
     
  17. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Do we? That is the error of the "2 House Theory."
    I see nothing in scripture that says God is interested in DNA.
     
  18. A Realist

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    Real history would disagree.
    The land of the Hittites was in modern day Turkey.
    The boundaries of ancient Israel never extended that far north, nor did they extend eastward to the Euphrates in modern day Iraq. That is fact.
     
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  19. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Posts 67 and 68.

    Paul made the claim in Romans 11. "All Israel shall be saved." And in that direct context he says Israel are "enemies of the gospel." Clearly he is NOT talking about the church or believing Jews.

    How God wants to work that out is His business.

    Paul wrote it. It is in the bible. I believe it.

    Nuff said.
     
  20. Tree of Life

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    Well that's not exactly true. You've already made qualifications. You believe "all Israel" does not necessarily include every single Jew who has ever lived - only those who are living at the time Jesus returns. Paul does not explicitly say this. There's a need to interpret Paul's words, as you are already doing. I'm asking you to defend your interpretation.
     
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