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What possible benefit do they expect from this?
So, slight difference here. The Satanic Panic of the 1980's had no basis in fact--there weren't Satanists and witch covens making ritual sacrifices all over America; on the other hand there are Nazis.
The difference between fact and fiction is an important one.
Since always. Perhaps what you mean to talk about is Stalinism or Maoism. Fascist and totalitarian regimes which were Communist in name only
Further problem? Pretending that being anti-Nazi means being a Communist. Turns out it's entirely possible to be anti-Nazi without being a Communist or an anarchist.
Slander and straw.
Nope, never apologized or defended mass-murderers.
So, no, Communists are not as morally repugnant as Nazis. Stalinists? Absolutely. Maoists? Sure thing.
If #1 is true...why would you need (or want for that matter) #2?
Yeah, there's like 2,500 in this country by the FBI's last count.
Link?
I would defend their 1st amendment rights...yes. Freedom of speech, assembly, and so on weren't created for "popular" speech or groups...they were created for unpopular ones.
You do realize there were no nazis at Berkeley when Antifa destroyed windows and burned cars just to prevent one man from speaking? Why would you defend them?
Or are you simply going to wait until they go after someone you agree with to admit that they're a hateful, violent group bent on keeping people from exercising their rights?
I can't find the FBI link. Last time I looked was immediately after Charlottesville, and between the continued discussion of that and the FBI looking into Black Nationalist groups being reported, I'm not finding it.
However, I did find an ADL report on them, which gives similar numbers. With Hate in their Hearts: The State of White Supremacy in the United States
Hope that helps.
It does. Good to know there aren't a lot of official card-carrying members; now we just have to worry about the under the radar sympathizers.
You ever watch Game of Thrones? There was a scene where Tyrion Lannister had his enforcer, Bronn, appointed to head the city watch:
Bronn: "We've had all the known thieves rounded up and executed."
Tyrion: "Great... now we just have to worry about the unknown thieves."
No, but I have read the books.
"B-b-but antifa broke a window!"
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Yeah, there's like 2,500 in this country by the FBI's last count. I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could've found about that many ritualistic child abusers back then too. The key aspect of a moral panic is not to invent something necessarily whole-cloth, but to massively conflate the size and scope of the perceived thread.
Ah, you're one of those No TrueScotsmanCommunist guys. Please, name me one communist regime that didn't turn into a totalitarian nightmare. Just one.
Yes, and it can be entirely possible to be anti-Nazi without wanting to support Antifa and/or Communism. Weird, isn't it?
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Except the Satanic Panic involved imaginary things. There wasn't ritualistic abuse going on. The accusations were false, and people were falsely imprisoned.
There wasn't satanic ritual abuse happening.
There are Nazis.
Perhaps you missed my criticism of Communism, it was in the same post, in fact i think it was in the same paragraph.
You mean like I and others have been doing?
How about you quote where I defended mass murderers. Alternatively, stop engaging in slander.
Let's say there's a group of people, they call themselves The Baby Punching Brigade, their belief is that punching babies is a good thing, and so they punch babies.
Let's say everyone else is appalled by this. Then there's a group of people appalled by this and they decide to punch the baby punchers.
Here's the thing, those punching baby punchers and those punching babies are not morally equivalent. It is objectively worse to punch a baby than to punch a baby puncher.
In saying this I'm not saying that it's okay to punch baby punchers, as though that is the right solution to the problem of baby punchers; but I am saying that they are not the same thing, they are not morally equal.
But then let's say you say, "But we're not talking about baby punchers, we're talking about Nazis." In which case you've just lost the argument.
-CryptoLutheran
Rion said:Then let's say that the second group considers anyone who has kids is a baby puncher and starts punching them. Then let's say they decide that people with siblings get the bullet too. That's what you're defending here.
Antifa just wants to murder anyone to the right of Stalin!
You keep defending communism.
I've defended Communists inasmuch as believing that the means of production should belong to the workers isn't the moral equivalent of believing in the extermination of all non-white human beings. Because they aren't, they aren't even remotely on the same playing field. That you think they are demonstrates a fundamental lack of objectivity, including moral objectivity.
-CryptoLutheran
Which absolutely nobody has said, of course.
Ringo
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