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Pre-Tribulation Pre- False Messianic Age
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We have inherited the corruptible /[decaying] mortal body that Adam have after the fall.
If Adam had not fallen he and Eve would have lived eternally [Genesis 3:17]...because before the fall Adam and Eve shared the Shekinah Glory of God in an incorruptible body.
Genesis 3
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
No where in scripture proves Adam and Eve had the shekinah glory of god before the fall ... the lord may have walked with them in the garden but thats it... what kept them alive forever was a good diet of the tree of life and perhaps the water of life ... that they needed food and water to remain alive
Our changing will be that we [the saved] will share the Shekinah Glory of God back again in an incorruptible body ....like Adam once had before the fall.
What proof do you have that Adam had shekinah glory? Where does it say that?
You seem to forget that we have a immortal SOUL/Spirit inside our mortal body [Genesis 2:7]
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul
The spirit/soul of a believer goes to Heaven when a believer die ...no rapture needed.
True but just as Jesus made a way to the father for our sprits and souls to enter heaven ... it should not be hard to believe he also is able to change our mortal fleshly earthly bodies to recieve new immortal spiritual heavenly bodies so that we may live with god in heaven and inherit the kingdom of god which is in heaven which is what Paul clearly teaches
Jesus will bring back the SOULS of the dead believers who are in Heaven with Him (SLEEP IN JESUS CHRIST) to be RESURRECTED on the Earth UNTO HIS COMING.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Amen Riberra the dead will arise again to receive the promise to live with Jesus and the father that they may obtain the glory Jesus has obtained and enter into heaven where the father home is ....
Jesus body arose and was changed and he rose up to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God... if the son of man has obtained all this for his work on earth ... shall not we obtain as well?
We are the body of Christ now on earth ... just as his body is in heaven ... we too who are the body of Christ shall enter into heaven just as Jesus did ... it's a promise
... I know the way to the father.... do you? Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father to see him face to face but by faith in Jesus
When Jesus will come back to Earth (Second coming)He will bring the immortal SOULS of the believers who are in Heaven with Him to be resurrected on the Earth in a incorruptible body....
We will be a new creation... mortal turn into a son of god ..immortal with glory and power changed to be like Jesus .. how he is now ... glorious ... that's what Paul teaches we partake in the suffering for Jesus we will partake in his blessings for all the promises are yes and amen
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet Jesus in the clouds in the AIR.
The angels will do the lift up and gathering [CAUGHT UP]of the believers still alive and remain UNTO the Coming of Jesus to meet Jesus IN THE AIR [NOT IN HEAVEN]
1 Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I don't believe we will be caught up or raptured .. there will be a gathering in the air ...but not caught up with the help of Angels.... no where does it say Angels will lift us up to be taken to Jerusalem
I believe it will be as Jesus went up ... on his own power ... so will we ... of our own power because of our change to become a new creation from mortal to immortal from flesh to spirit from weakness to power from shame to glory ... that is our promise to live with god in his house with many rooms .. try as you may to deceive me .. but I know the way to the father.... and I won't let your cunning ways fool me ... your home is earth .. earth is not my home
If you truly love Jesus then you would want to join us to meet the father in heaven...that should be your desires to behold the father face to face
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