Masks Are Essentially Worthless

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Exhalation is not merely water vapor, it holds toxins the body gets rid of through the lungs. With masks these are partially rebreathed. Also mask strain the diaphragm promote claustrophobia. All of this is immunosuppressive. Masks in my view are useful for preventing blasts from coughing and sneezing, and from normal exhalation when people are close to each other. Otherwise, useless and even harmful.
 
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Nothing unconstitutional about ordering masks be worn during a pandemic.



The error is your post has already been pointed out.
No one has responded to a single one of the dozen studies I posted. I can't say I'm surprised, people are invested in their placebo mask saving them and being forced to confront the fact that it won't do anything is too much for people being driven insane by media hype.
 
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The notion that science has determined that masks are going to save us from Chinese Coronavirus (or any other disease) is utter tosh. Anyone telling you science is settled on any issue should raise a red flag. On masks, science isn't close to settled.

The British Journal of Medicine says cloth masks are 97% useless. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

A study of the more serious 1918 flu pandemic showed masks useless. The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

Another study shows cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Other studies show cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks, even the latter are questionable. They include:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles

Masks are associated with oxygen deprivation and increased rates of infection according to these studies:

[Effect of a surgical mask on six minute walking distance] - PubMed

"Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil's sword?" - A physiological hypothesis - PubMed

Healthcare personnel exposure in an emergency department during influenza season - PubMed

The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease - PubMed

Respiratory consequences of N95-type Mask usage in pregnant healthcare workers-a controlled clinical study - PubMed

A 2015 British study on surgical masks revealed masks don't really protect patient or surgeon very much. And that's in sterile settings. Unmasking the surgeons: the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery

Finally, one New England Journal of Medicine editorial acknowledged the uselessness of masks but demanded universal masking nonetheless less for its placebo effect. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

There is plenty of evidence out there that masks and mask mandates aren't working and in fact are causing harm. They're a placebo to make you think you're protected and to make politicians look like they're doing something when they're in reality doing nothing.

Do your own research.


Hi - Just passing more info onto folks who may be interested.
It makes me unhappy when I go to the grocery store and they are so proud to give me a cart they have just wiped down with tons of chemicals they want me to put my hands on! We build up herd immunity to germs and viruses through contact with them.

Dr. Russell Blaylock, a prominent surgeon (so he has had to wear masks himself of course) gives data on the harmfulness of masks: Letter: Neurosurgeon details risks of face masks - Alachua Chronicle

This doctor produced video, called Exposed: New Contents of Bill Gates Vaccine, Wake Up World, tells what I think the scare tactics are really moving the unsuspecting and too trusting populace toward. You can see Bill Gates, out of his own mouth, talking about RNA and DNA changes made through his vaccine, in the vid referenced below.

This vid called Who Is Bill Gates? by the Corbett Report Extras Channel will tell you most anything you want to know about Bill Gates.

I personally think that when Gates talks here about "the final solution" through his vaccine program, that he is revealing what he is really up to. He counts on the naive and trusting to not think it was just some strange slip of the tongue. The phrase "the final solution" was, of course, made famous through those who made "essential services" famous, the Third Reich in relation to the Jews. Of course the "need"for "essential services" was used over and over by them to cull and control the populace.

Gates and others working with him want to put invisible tattoos on children and others to track their "health" and vaccination records. Now what are those tattoos reminiscent of from last century?

He is so interested in decreasing population, particularly in the vulnerable African countries. Uh, who asked him to be a depopulation czar for our planet? No one. Why don't Bill and Melinda start depopulating with themselves? Oh, wait. We are supposed to assume that they are god like beings who get to make decisions for human "population control" in the world, while they are are above such consideration. Another underlying assumption seems to me, anyway, to be that people in Africa, especially, need to be stopped from reproducing more black people.

In the vid Gates keeps talking about how we need this and that control and this and that tracking capability for the populace. Once again, he assumes he is some kind of czar for the world, and therefore has the grand privilege to tell us what "we" need!

If I do not come back to the string, and do not want to debate this, I hope folks will understand. I feel if people don't see what has already been presented by myself and the OP that nothing else I say will matter to such any way.
 
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Must people be racist and call it that?
That isn't racist, we've been calling diseases from their orgins for decades. Spanish flu, German measels, West Nile virus, Ebola, Sars etc.

Welll then, What point are you attempting to drive home here, if not an attempt to disparage the Chinese as a whole group of people?

Everyone knows where it originated, so you're not providing a public service or educating anyone by saying "Chinese Coronavirus" and the Virus does not have a race, or a nationality, or any politics, so ascribing any of those things to it is disingenuous at best..

So again, what is the point you are attempting to make by calling it "Chinese Coronavirus" instead of the scientific name given it, SARS-CoV-2, or even COVID 19?... the former would least that would be educational for many, but I fail to see any compelling reason to go out of your way to call it "Chinese Coronavirus" beyond being purposefully disparaging to the Chinese people.

If you can edify us as to a different reason you feel compelled to call it that, please do.
 
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German measels aren't the measels people typically think of. It's also called rubella.

I'm not buying the racist argument. The virus originated in China, it's no different than a dozen other diseases that have been identified by their original place of discovery. This isn't something old done centuries ago, Ebola, Sars and West Nile virus are relatively new. There isn't a racist hiding in every refrigerator.
The question is, what is the purpose, and why the desire to refer to it as the China Virus?
 
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Exhalation is not merely water vapor, it holds toxins the body gets rid of through the lungs. With masks these are partially rebreathed. Also mask strain the diaphragm promote claustrophobia. All of this is immunosuppressive. Masks in my view are useful for preventing blasts from coughing and sneezing, and from normal exhalation when people are close to each other. Otherwise, useless and even harmful.

It is all about proper use of the masks.

If you are social distancing outdoors you should not need to wear a mask. Masks, should be used indoors where people are gathering and finding it difficult to distance. Which means that if you have problems breathing, you should be avoiding indoors anyway. And breathing out toxins - well if you spend a long time in masks then it is going to be an issue, but you should be trying to avoid that if possible. Also if people are not cleaning their masks after use then there is little point in wearing it as they are just inhaling the diseases they previously exhaled.

Be sensible, not selfish.
 
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Well, I gotta say this one last thing. Germs and viruses haven't changed in their responses to masks or "antiseptics" in the last month, or at any time. The CDC studies stand for this year, last year and next year and into the future in general. But if you don't agree, oh well. Wear your mask and cover everything with the chemicals the CDC says are useless. Up to you.
 
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P.S. Well, I gotta say this one last th

Well, I gotta say this one last thing. Germs and viruses haven't changed in their responses to masks or "antiseptics" in the last month, or at any time. The CDC studies stand for this year, last year and next year and into the future in general. But if you don't agree, oh well. Wear your mask and cover everything with the products the CDC says are useless. Up to you.

Again I say, I'm sorry that truth and logic hurt!
 
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Then I would advise you to stay at home. But if you go out in public near me, please wear a mask.
Why don’t you stay home if you’re scared of a virus?
 
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Why don’t you stay home if you’re scared of a virus?

In other words, this is 'murica, how dare you infringe on my perceived rights when it comes to a pandemic!
 
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In other words, this is 'murica, how dare you infringe on my perceived rights when it comes to a pandemic!
It makes sense that someone would stay home if they are afraid of a virus or of people transmitting a virus to them.
 
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It makes sense that someone would stay home if they are afraid of a virus or of people transmitting a virus to them.

No, it makes sense that we would assume that people would listen to the mandates and wear a mask, not only protecting themselves but those around them as well.
 
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And I'm telling you study after study after study tells us masks are useless. They're a placebo and nothing more. You aren't protected if you or I wear a mask.
One of your studies say that it is 3% effective.....What is the harm in doing something that gives you an extra 3% chance of saving your life?

Do you believe that a cloth mask can shield some of the droplets from a cough or sneeze from getting into the air...much like sneezing into your clothes or an elbow? Do you believe that the virus can travel in these droplets and land of surfaces waiting to be touched by others?

If the above are true....wouldnt it lend to the belief that everyone wearing the mask can reduce transmission via droplets from the mouth?

we all know that the virus alone can travel through cloth......but if it is embedded in larger droplets....the droplet can be caught in the cloth... Is this not even plausible in your mind?
 
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No one has responded to a single one of the dozen studies I posted. I can't say I'm surprised, people are invested in their placebo mask saving them and being forced to confront the fact that it won't do anything is too much for people being driven insane by media hype.
The error was already pointed out in post 2.
 
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