White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

[Ana the Ist]

Really?......then why do you label it as 'WHITE supremacy'?

Lol it seems so much like regular old racial hate.

If we pulled a guy from 2010 and showed him the footage....he'd probably just say...

"These are racists committing hate crimes"

And every would understand what he meant.

 

[dqhall]

This has nothing to do with white people. White supremacy is not about white people, it's about the racial hierarchy that is created in society and how it affects all within a society. We should not confuse white supremacy white white people because they're not the same thing. The only connection is that it is an ideology that places white people at the top of a racial hierarchy.

That's why, for instance, it was Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II, as opposed to German Americans. It's not about blaming white people for internment as much as it is identifying white supremacy as the reason why Japanese people were targeted as less than. We have the same thing with the coronavirus pandemic; Asian people are targeted, and American society, with a history of white supremacy, attacks victims who have nothing to do with this virus. I think there is a broader issue of relegating racist attacks to being individual moral failings. Racism, at its core, has not been about individual moral failings, it's about structures and systems in society that influence habits and customs.

There is a black supremacy movement. It does not want equality, it wants supremacy. I have heard blacks describe it. It discriminates against non-black people. It is as if black lives matter to these people, other lives are presumed guilty of racism. I did see offices staffed with all people of color.

If you look at Kamala Harris’ picks to fill Federal judge positions it is predominately minority women getting picked, as if that must be minority supremacy. To frequently I heard about the problem with white people. This nation has a history of the highest murder rate occurring among people of color. Do not say it was the white people’s fault.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

To be honest there's a lot of narratives from both sides going around, with people trying to justify their position using Asian people as their pawns.

We can certainly be sure that Trump's idiotic statements about COVID haven't helped anyone, and have definitely led to an increase in attacks on Asian Americans.

But then comes the question of what people do with that information. And honestly, I don't care if the person beating up someone who is Asian is white or black - they're all racist scumbags.

And cowards too - I notice that these people never pick on younger Asian men, and run away if they show up.

 

[disciple Clint]

White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US





Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:


The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

More propaganda and narrative is there anyone who is going to believe the following quote from the article "So when a Black person attacks an Asian person, the encounter is fueled perhaps by racism, but very specifically by white supremacy. White supremacy does not require a white person to perpetuate it." come on how can anyone actually promote that garbage? People are not stupid, propaganda is propaganda and people see it as just exactly that, an unsupported attempt to create a narrative of hate.

 

[disciple Clint]

The exact point you're making is addressed in this article. There has been a focus on online forums to highlight Black people attacking Asians, when the majority of these attackers are not Black people. In addition, anti-Asian sentiment is rooted in white supremacy in America. The source of the current wave of anti-Asian hatred is none other than the unpopular one-term president that was given the boot. He railed against China, all the while his media allies supported and promoted this rhetoric.

provide some evidence beyond the, our records are somewhat spotty but we conclude, by the way evidence is not one unsupported opinion supporting another unsupported opinion.

 

[disciple Clint]

This has nothing to do with white people. White supremacy is not about white people, it's about the racial hierarchy that is created in society and how it affects all within a society. We should not confuse white supremacy white white people because they're not the same thing. The only connection is that it is an ideology that places white people at the top of a racial hierarchy.

That's why, for instance, it was Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II, as opposed to German Americans. It's not about blaming white people for internment as much as it is identifying white supremacy as the reason why Japanese people were targeted as less than. We have the same thing with the coronavirus pandemic; Asian people are targeted, and American society, with a history of white supremacy, attacks victims who have nothing to do with this virus. I think there is a broader issue of relegating racist attacks to being individual moral failings. Racism, at its core, has not been about individual moral failings, it's about structures and systems in society that influence habits and customs.

White supremacy is not about white people, it's about the racial hierarchy that is created in society and how it affects all within a society. We should not confuse white supremacy white white people because they're not the same thing.

Seriously, is anyone expected to accept this propaganda? Unreal, just flat out unreal, the audacity to make statements like this is just beyond my wildest imagination.

 

[disciple Clint]

But you can't use simple assault statistics because many assaults have nothing to do with bias attacks. Granted that there is probably underreporting of such attacks, pointing to general crime statistics is not helpful when accounting for attacks that are often motivated by this pandemic.

Seriously? I say again Seriously, because I am absolutely flabbergasted at the attempt to avoid the facts.

 

[SummerMadness]

And the statistics for bias attacks are limited

Even as hate crimes against Asians and Asian Americans seem to be increasing, little data is available to accurately keep track of these crimes.
...
It’s tempting to use the FBI’s data to evaluate national hate crimes trends. But this data is fraught with problems that make analyzing hate crimes trends mostly impossible. The FBI’s data is certainly better than nothing, but the numbers produced by the bureau each year are not particularly useful for several reasons.

To begin with, hate crimes data reported by the FBI does not attempt to account for agencies that did not report or reported incomplete data. As a result, national hate crimes data is better thought of as a floor, rather than an accurate figure to be cited authoritatively.
...
Another major challenge with hate crimes data is that collection depends on local law enforcement agencies. In 2019, the FBI touted 15,588 law enforcement agencies across the country that participated in the hate crimes program—but far fewer agencies report data each year. As the Anti-Defamation League writes, “[T]he FBI’s report is based on voluntary local law enforcement reporting to the Bureau. In 2019, 86 percent of participating agencies didn’t report a single hate crime to the FBI, including at least 71 cities with populations over 100,000. Just over 2,000, or 14 percent, of the more than 15,000 participating agencies actively reported at least one hate crime.”

The FBI has detailed definitions of what constitutes regular offenses like aggravated assault and theft, but hate crimes are largely up to the states to define as they see best. And what gets reported as a hate crime is often up to the discretion of individual agencies. The bureau acknowledges the difficulty in ascertaining whether a reported incident is a hate crime, telling agencies that “bias is to be reported only if investigation reveals sufficient objective facts to lead a reasonable and prudent person to conclude that the offender’s actions were motivated, in whole or in part, by bias” (emphasis added).

Why There’s Not Much Data on Anti-Asian Violence - Lawfare (lawfareblog.com)

Yes, bias crime statistics are limited, but that doesn't make them useless. Moreover, we don't have to look at crime statistics alone, we can see other proxies that express this anti-Asian sentiment.

Anti-Asian hashtags soared after Donald Trump first tied COVID-19 to China on Twitter, study shows

The week after then-President Donald Trump first used the hashtag #chinesevirus on Twitter, the number of people using the hashtag increased more than tenfold, and they were much more likely to include anti-Asian hashtags than those who used #covid19 in their tweets.

Anti-Asian bias and attacks have grown exponentially over the past year in conjunction with anti-Chinese rhetoric. This week's deadly shooting in Atlanta, in which six of the eight people killed were of Asian descent, has contributed to fears throughout the Asian-American community.

Trump's use of the phrase in speeches and on Twitter, which critics called racist, preceded a cascade of its use by others online. The mean number of daily users in the #covid19 group rose by 379% after Trump's tweet, compared with an increase of #chinesevirus by 8,351%.

As soon as Donald Trump started pushing anti-Asian hate, it exploded online. You even had threads here emulating that hatred by trying to turn the coronavirus into the "Chinese virus" (of course with the dishonest argument that they were simply saying where the virus was from).

Likewise, we can also just talk to people:

Asian adults point to Donald Trump as the main source of discrimination against Asian Americans, it's not Black people.

And the sentiment above is not isolated:

One-third of Asian Americans fear threats, physical attacks and most say violence against them is rising

Some 27% say people acted as if they were uncomfortable around them, down from 39% who said the same in June 2020. Another 27% say they have been subject to slurs or jokes, the same share as in 2020. Meanwhile, lower shares say someone has made a remark that they should go back to their home country (16%) or that they are to blame for the coronavirus outbreak (14%).

Asian respondents who say violence against their group in the U.S. is increasing give many reasons for the rise, according to an open-ended question in which people responded in their own words. Some 20% directly cited former President Donald Trump and his rhetoric about China as the source of the pandemic, his racist comments or his labeling the coronavirus as the “kung flu” or “Chinese flu” as one of the reasons for the rise in violence. Some 16% cited racism in the United States against Asian people as the source of violence, and another 15% said the rise in violence is due to COVID-19 and its impacts on the nation. An additional 12% said scapegoating and blaming Asian people for the pandemic has been responsible for the rise in violence against the U.S. Asian population. About three-in-ten Asian respondents who say violence against their group in the U.S. is increasing (29%) did not provide an answer to the open-ended question.

The main point is that the recent push to portray anti-Asian hatred as being driven by Black people is just inaccurate. The source of the current anti-Asian hatred trend all points to the former president.

 

[disciple Clint]

Yes, bias crime statistics are limited, but that doesn't make them useless. Moreover, we don't have to look at crime statistics alone, we can see other proxies that express this anti-Asian sentiment.

Anti-Asian hashtags soared after Donald Trump first tied COVID-19 to China on Twitter, study shows

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As soon as Donald Trump started pushing anti-Asian hate, it exploded online. You even had threads here emulating that hatred by trying to turn the coronavirus into the "Chinese virus" (of course with the dishonest argument that they were simply saying where the virus was from).

Likewise, we can also just talk to people:

Asian adults point to Donald Trump as the main source of discrimination against Asian Americans, it's not Black people.

And the sentiment above is not isolated:

One-third of Asian Americans fear threats, physical attacks and most say violence against them is rising
​

The main point is that the recent push to portray anti-Asian hatred as being driven by Black people is just inaccurate. The source of the current anti-Asian hatred trend all points to the former president.

The main point is that the recent push to portray anti-Asian hatred as being driven by Black people is just inaccurate. The source of the current anti-Asian hatred trend all points to the former president.

That the Left seems to need to blame every ailment of society at the feet of white people, conservatives, and Trump himself lacks any form of seriousness. While there are some violent perpetrators who are white, conservative, or Trump supporters, FBI statistics suggest that most anti-Asian violence has come from black perpetrators. Refusing to look at these statistics represents a refusal to take seriously the lives and security of Asian Americans.
Anti-Asian violence can’t be blamed on Trump supporters

 

[whatbogsends]

Yes, bias crime statistics are limited, but that doesn't make them useless. Moreover, we don't have to look at crime statistics alone, we can see other proxies that express this anti-Asian sentiment.

Anti-Asian hashtags soared after Donald Trump first tied COVID-19 to China on Twitter, study shows

​

As soon as Donald Trump started pushing anti-Asian hate, it exploded online. You even had threads here emulating that hatred by trying to turn the coronavirus into the "Chinese virus" (of course with the dishonest argument that they were simply saying where the virus was from).

Likewise, we can also just talk to people:

Asian adults point to Donald Trump as the main source of discrimination against Asian Americans, it's not Black people.

And the sentiment above is not isolated:

One-third of Asian Americans fear threats, physical attacks and most say violence against them is rising
​

The main point is that the recent push to portray anti-Asian hatred as being driven by Black people is just inaccurate. The source of the current anti-Asian hatred trend all points to the former president.

Trump may be responsible for pushing an anti-Asian sentiment, but historically, in the US, violence against Asians is perpetrated by blacks more than any other ethnic group.

Attempting to lay the blame solely at the feet of "white supremacy" is dishonest, and claiming that blacks are attacking Asians under the pretext of "white supremacy" is utter nonsense.

 

[SummerMadness]

Trump may be responsible for pushing an anti-Asian sentiment, but historically, in the US, violence against Asians is perpetrated by blacks more than any other ethnic group.

Attempting to lay the blame solely at the feet of "white supremacy" is dishonest, and claiming that blacks are attacking Asians under the pretext of "white supremacy" is utter nonsense.

It is utter nonsense to argue that anti-Asian violence is tantamount to any violence toward Asians. It is the same as arguing that most interracial crime is racially motivated. Most crime has absolutely nothing to do with racial bias; you can't simply take a crime of a white person killing a black person and argue it's related to racial bias. You base this argument on the idea that hate crime statistics is incomplete, but to simply argue that this translates to attitudes about racial discrimination is way off.

The fact that Black Americans are more likely than white or Hispanic Americans to recognize racism toward Asian Americans, and that Asian Americans who experience discrimination are more likely to recognize political commonality with Black Americans suggests that hate crime statistics are not meaningless, they do reflect a trend. The fact that Black people are not considered the main source of racial discrimination and they are not the primary offenders of hate crimes is a big indicator that hate crime statistics over 22 years are reflective of the other data trends. The fact that most Asians do not see Black people as responsible for discrimination toward Asians suggests that arguments about racial bias are nonsensical.

White supremacy is the main reason why Asians are treated like outsiders in United States. It's the reason they've received xenophobic attitudes about not belonging to the United States since the 19th century. Likewise, ideas about dirty immigrants bringing disease into the United States is all rooted in white supremacy. I think you missed the point of this article, it is not saying that Asians are being attacking under the pretext of white supremacy. No, the argument is the attitudes and negative treatment of Asians in the United States is rooted in white supremacy. The attitude that Asians feel they don't belong and being treated as the other is a byproduct of white supremacy.

This is similar to African Americans viewing Africans as backwards and/or primitive. Those views are rooted in white supremacy where Black people were constantly filled with the view that African names, culture, religion, etc., were all inferior. That's what made the Afrocentric movement so radical, as it erased those views of inferiority. We see that same attitude with Asians and Black people where there is an increased belief in their shared experience.

 

[BigDaddy4]

This thread belongs in the Conspiracy Theory section...

 

[whatbogsends]

It is utter nonsense to argue that anti-Asian violence is tantamount to any violence toward Asians. It is the same as arguing that most interracial crime is racially motivated. Most crime has absolutely nothing to do with racial bias; you can't simply take a crime of a white person killing a black person and argue it's related to racial bias. You base this argument on the idea that hate crime statistics is incomplete, but to simply argue that this translates to attitudes about racial discrimination is way off.

The fact that Black Americans are more likely than white or Hispanic Americans to recognize racism toward Asian Americans, and that Asian Americans who experience discrimination are more likely to recognize political commonality with Black Americans suggests that hate crime statistics are not meaningless, they do reflect a trend. The fact that Black people are not considered the main source of racial discrimination and they are not the primary offenders of hate crimes is a big indicator that hate crime statistics over 22 years are reflective of the other data trends. The fact that most Asians do not see Black people as responsible for discrimination toward Asians suggests that arguments about racial bias are nonsensical.

White supremacy is the main reason why Asians are treated like outsiders in United States. It's the reason they've received xenophobic attitudes about not belonging to the United States since the 19th century. Likewise, ideas about dirty immigrants bringing disease into the United States is all rooted in white supremacy. I think you missed the point of this article, it is not saying that Asians are being attacking under the pretext of white supremacy. No, the argument is the attitudes and negative treatment of Asians in the United States is rooted in white supremacy. The attitude that Asians feel they don't belong and being treated as the other is a byproduct of white supremacy.

This is similar to African Americans viewing Africans as backwards and/or primitive. Those views are rooted in white supremacy where Black people were constantly filled with the view that African names, culture, religion, etc., were all inferior. That's what made the Afrocentric movement so radical, as it erased those views of inferiority. We see that same attitude with Asians and Black people where there is an increased belief in their shared experience.

Yet those who actually assault Asians the most, both in terms of raw numbers and rates, are black men. I can't say that crime is indicative of racial bias, but i can say that statistically, black men assault Asians at a much higher rate than white men. I can also say that violence assaults is indicative of violence.

Additionally, i put forth that actual violence (i.e. assaulting someone) is worse than having bias or hatred of someone. A person may hate their neighbor, but if their actions stop at saying nasty things, it's better (not necessarily by much) than actually assaulting their neighbor.

I wholly condemn white supremacy, and any individual or organization that aligns to it, but when you have to actively ignore overall violent crime statistics to craft a narrative, that narrative is, at best, flawed (if not outright dishonest).

I'm sure that "white supremacy" is a factor in racial animus towards Asians and we should work to combat that mindset, but ignoring violent crime trends on the whole, and focusing solely on the incomplete, flawed, and subjective statistics of "hate crimes" produces a distorted picture.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It is utter nonsense to argue that anti-Asian violence is tantamount to any violence toward Asians. It is the same as arguing that most interracial crime is racially motivated. Most crime has absolutely nothing to do with racial bias; you can't simply take a crime of a white person killing a black person and argue it's related to racial bias. You base this argument on the idea that hate crime statistics is incomplete, but to simply argue that this translates to attitudes about racial discrimination is way off.

The fact that Black Americans are more likely than white or Hispanic Americans to recognize racism toward Asian Americans, and that Asian Americans who experience discrimination are more likely to recognize political commonality with Black Americans suggests that hate crime statistics are not meaningless, they do reflect a trend. The fact that Black people are not considered the main source of racial discrimination and they are not the primary offenders of hate crimes is a big indicator that hate crime statistics over 22 years are reflective of the other data trends. The fact that most Asians do not see Black people as responsible for discrimination toward Asians suggests that arguments about racial bias are nonsensical.

White supremacy is the main reason why Asians are treated like outsiders in United States. It's the reason they've received xenophobic attitudes about not belonging to the United States since the 19th century. Likewise, ideas about dirty immigrants bringing disease into the United States is all rooted in white supremacy. I think you missed the point of this article, it is not saying that Asians are being attacking under the pretext of white supremacy. No, the argument is the attitudes and negative treatment of Asians in the United States is rooted in white supremacy. The attitude that Asians feel they don't belong and being treated as the other is a byproduct of white supremacy.

Sure sure...these black racists are all students of Asian American history and oddly, they don't sympathize.

That's what made the Afrocentric movement so radical, as it erased those views of inferiority.

And replaced them with completely fictional stories of superiority.

 

[Marumorose]

White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US





Oddly enough, we did see that same attitude pushed here where there was an attempt to frame attacks on Asian Americans as a "black violence" issue, as if there is some underlying hatred that African Americans have toward Asians because they are Asian. Given our media landscape and it's history, it's also not surprising that we see this narrative is completely false:


The real source of the anti-Asian hatred comes from the political and media sources that thrive on demagoguery around the virus. You can see the direct line of this bigotry spread from these sources and end up on forums like this; their bigotry is simply disguised with etiquette to appear less blatant.

How can we expect violence to stop? We protest with our bodies. We do not protest with ALL our hearts, minds, souls and strengths because if we did, we would stop supporting violence through entertainment.
May God Bless You

 

[disciple Clint]

This thread belongs in the Conspiracy Theory section...

I know what you mean, I though that sentences were supposed to contain a thought and those thoughts should combine to justify a conclusion but I have now learned that it is possible to put together enough words that comprise nonsense to make a reader question just exactly what the conclusion is supposed to be and simply walk away.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Virginia parents blast school board over graphic books, critical race theory: 'Pretty despicable'
"[Critical race theory] is not an honest dialogue — it is a tactic used by Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan on slavery very many years ago to dumb down my ancestors so we could not think for ourselves," the parent, who is Black, said.

She called for critical race theory to be banned from the school system and told the school board to "think twice before you indoctrinate such racist theories."

So, what is your school system teaching your kids?

 

[keith99]

Yet those who actually assault Asians the most, both in terms of raw numbers and rates, are black men.

Source?

 

[whatbogsends]

Source?

See post #15, which links an opinion summary (which cites a compilation of the statistics) as well as the underlying data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

 

[Guinan]

{snip}White supremacy is the root of all race-related violence in the US

Hi SummerMadness. I don't know if you've seen this other thread or not. I thought I'd let you know about it in case you haven't seen it yet. It's similar to yours and I thought you'd be interested in it.

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