Masks Are Essentially Worthless

[Radagast]

"Coronavirus spreads through droplets that an infected person emits through coughs or sneezes

Coughs or sneezes, yes. That's why we cover those.

The risk from just breathing, however, is very low.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Please, quote your source(s).

See the first post, there are nearly a dozen.

 

[Gregorikos]

And I'm telling you study after study after study tells us masks are useless. They're a placebo and nothing more. You aren't protected if you or I wear a mask.

And, thankfully, we have laws to protect us from people like you. So wear your mask.

 

[Isilwen]

See the first post, there are nearly a dozen.

I disagree with them and you! Masks are indeed effective! It is why they have been part of my PPE articles while transporting infectious patients for longer than I have been an EMT.

 

[Redwingfan9]

And, thankfully, we have laws to protect us from people like you. So wear your mask.

I will not comply with laws that are unconstitutional and not passed by the legislature. We live in a republic not a dictatorship.

That said, I find it fascinating how none of the pro-mask people engage with any of the dozen articles I linked to. It's almost like you don't want your world come crashing down when you find out your savior mask is worthless.

 

[Isilwen]

I will not comply with laws that are unconstitutional and not passed by the legislature. We live in a republic not a dictatorship.

Then do so to your own or someone you love's peril!

That said, I find it fascinating how none of the pro-mask people engage with any of the dozen articles I linked to. It's almost like you don't want your world come crashing down when you find out your savior mask is worthless.

I don't need to read them to know it's bunk! I am in the medical field. I know how much masks save people. It's a shame people like you try to discredit them. It's like you want people to die!

 

[Redwingfan9]

Then do so to your own or someone you love's peril!



I don't need to read them to know it's bunk! I am in the medical field. I know how much masks save people. It's a shame people like you try to discredit them. It's like you want people to die!

All of the articles are scholarly medical articles written by doctors. British Journal of Medicine, New England Journal of Medicine and other scholarly publications.

 

[Isilwen]

All of the articles are scholarly medical articles written by doctors. British Journal of Medicine, New England Journal of Medicine and other scholarly publications.

Yes, I know. Doesn't change my stance. I know that masks are great protection. I am sorry that a little piece of cloth meant to keep you safe is such a hassle for you.

You risk your life and the lives of the innocents around you, hopefully, you aren't in Florida!

 

[Redwingfan9]

Yes, I know. Doesn't change my stance. I know that masks are great protection. I am sorry that a little piece of cloth meant to keep you safe is such a hassle for you.

You risk your life and the lives of the innocents around you, hopefully, you aren't in Florida!

Your faith is in cloth not science it seems.

 

[Isilwen]

Your faith is in cloth not science it seems.

No, my faith is in the science that has shown them to be effective! Along with knowledge as an EMT that masks keep you safe.

I will not go against that.

 

[Darkhorse]

Anyone telling you science is settled on any issue should raise a red flag.

Truer words were never spoken (or written).

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

I find this visual helpful. Hopefully it shows up...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The notion that science has determined that masks are going to save us from Chinese Coronavirus (or any other disease) is utter tosh. Anyone telling you science is settled on any issue should raise a red flag. On masks, science isn't close to settled.

The British Journal of Medicine says cloth masks are 97% useless. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

A study of the more serious 1918 flu pandemic showed masks useless. The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

Another study shows cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Other studies show cloth masks useless compared to surgical masks, even the latter are questionable. They include:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf

Simple Respiratory Protection—Evaluation of the Filtration Performance of Cloth Masks and Common Fabric Materials Against 20–1000 nm Size Particles

Masks are associated with oxygen deprivation and increased rates of infection according to these studies:

[Effect of a surgical mask on six minute walking distance] - PubMed

"Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil's sword?" - A physiological hypothesis - PubMed

Healthcare personnel exposure in an emergency department during influenza season - PubMed

The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease - PubMed

Respiratory consequences of N95-type Mask usage in pregnant healthcare workers-a controlled clinical study - PubMed

A 2015 British study on surgical masks revealed masks don't really protect patient or surgeon very much. And that's in sterile settings. Unmasking the surgeons: the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery

Finally, one New England Journal of Medicine editorial acknowledged the uselessness of masks but demanded universal masking nonetheless less for its placebo effect. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

There is plenty of evidence out there that masks and mask mandates aren't working and in fact are causing harm. They're a placebo to make you think you're protected and to make politicians look like they're doing something when they're in reality doing nothing.

Do your own research.

Then we should all be wearing gas masks with the appropriate filters for the virus.

 

[Gregorikos]

I will not comply with laws that are unconstitutional and not passed by the legislature. We live in a republic not a dictatorship.

Can the government legally force you to wear a mask?
The answer is “yes.” In a pandemic, governments have the authority to do a lot of things that would otherwise be questionable.

Can the government legally force you to wear a mask? - Poynter

 

[Archivist]

That isn't racist, we've been calling diseases from their orgins for decades. Spanish flu, German measels, West Nile virus, Ebola, Sars etc.

You do realize that the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain, right?

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

The mask is a placebo. If you're uncomfortable around the unmasked why don't you stay home?

Surely it is the people refusing to wear masks who should be staying at home - after all they are the ones most at risk of spreading disease.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

You do realize that the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain, right?

I don't think the thousands of people who died from it cared all that much where the disease came from.

 

[Archivist]

I will not comply with laws that are unconstitutional and not passed by the legislature. We live in a republic not a dictatorship.

Nothing unconstitutional about ordering masks be worn during a pandemic.

That said, I find it fascinating how none of the pro-mask people engage with any of the dozen articles I linked to. It's almost like you don't want your world come crashing down when you find out your savior mask is worthless.

The error in your post has already been pointed out.

 

[parousia70]

I will not comply with laws that are unconstitutional and not passed by the legislature. We live in a republic not a dictatorship.

The Wearing of Masks in public places actually INCREASES personal Freedom by INCREASING the likelihood you will remain totally anonymous in Public, unrecognizable to the Big Government Cameras with Face recognition software that are literally EVERYWHERE you go, tracking your every move already... If the Deep State believed masks would increase their control over the populace they couldn't be more wrong, and are far more stupid than I thought.

I ALWAYS Mask up now everywhere i go. I couldn't be more pleased with the Mask requirement. It has set personal liberty FORWARD, and put a huge roadblock in the way of Big Government control.
Heck, you can even walk into the lobby of a Bank with a mask on now and no one bats an eye... I never though I'd see the day we would be so very liberated and free that we could do something like wear a full face mask while banking... Its a huge Victory for Personal Liberty.

It's nobody's business (especially Government) to know where you are going, what you are doing and who you are with.
The Mass Wearing of Masks is a "Freedom Catalyst" for our society.

Public Anonymity = FREEDOM
Wear the Mask = Stay Anonymous = Stay FREE.

 

[Archivist]

I don't think the thousands of people who died from it cared all that much where the disease came from.

Agreed, but people should check their facts when they say where it was from.