Virginia HB961 - Actual gun confiscation unless you register it with the state

[dogs4thewin]

And you can't stop them, even though you are armed. Tell me, then, what tyrannical acts of the government are you prepared to resist that you need these guns for?

If they know I may be armed they will not want to attack me. Plus, of course I could shoot them.

 

[98cwitr]

That's not all.. These evil communist liberals are trying to take away my legally owned grenade launcher, RPG and mortar!

How am I supposed to protect my family?

*force multiplier w/ least potential of collateral damage = gun. Extremely valid point if you're actually fighting a war though and the opposing side has those weapons.

 

[Skreeper]

What registration does is to provide the government with the perfect tool to begin confiscation. They can't confiscate what they don't know about, but registration tells them exactly what they need to know in order to confiscate.

It's about time some guns get confiscated and destroyed.

You guys have 125 guns per 100 people, and that's only counting the legal guns.
A bit excessive if you ask me.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's about time some guns get confiscated and destroyed.

You guys have 125 guns per 100 people, and that's only counting the legal guns.
A bit excessive if you ask me.

and how many of those guns kill people on their own?

 

[Aldebaran]

But I thought that ownership of those guns is what would protect you from such tyrannical acts on the part of the government. "We need our guns to protect ourselves against the government but if the government knows we have them they'll come and take them away and we won't be able to protect ourselves against the government." Right.

The require registration, then they demand confiscation when the time is right. As the Jews under the Nazi regime: Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and 'Enemies of the State', by Stephen P. Halbrook

Take the guns, and then those who are now former gun owners won't be able to resist.

 

[Skreeper]

*force multiplier w/ least potential of collateral damage = gun. Extremely valid point if you're actually fighting a war though and the opposing side has those weapons.

I bet those armored vehicles, drones, artillery and aircraft are really scared of those pew pew pistols you have.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The require registration, then they demand confiscation when the time is right. As the Jews under the Nazi regime: Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and 'Enemies of the State', by Stephen P. Halbrook

Take the guns, and then those who are now former gun owners won't be able to resist.

As the saying goes if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

 

[Speedwell]

If they know I may be armed they will not want to attack me. Plus, of course I could shoot them.

If guns are registered then they know for sure that you are armed but yet you say they could just come and take your guns away. Thinking you might be armed will deter them, but knowing for sure will not?

 

[98cwitr]

The require registration, then they demand confiscation when the time is right. As the Jews under the Nazi regime: Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and 'Enemies of the State', by Stephen P. Halbrook

Take the guns, and then those who are now former gun owners won't be able to resist.

And Stalin: How Russians lost their own 2nd Amendment: The right to bear arms

And Mao: "Inspecting for and Banning of Privately Owned Firearms, and Prohibiting the Unauthorized Wearing of Military Uniforms (Council of People's Commissars) April, 1933"

And Castro: 12/04 Cuba: Lessons In Gun Control And Medicine | Gun Owners of America

 

[Skreeper]

and how many of those guns kill people on their own?

As much as nukes kill people on their own, yet I don't see you complaining that you can't own them.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If guns are registered then they know for sure that you are armed but yet you say they could just come and take your guns away. Thinking you might be armed will deter them, but knowing for sure will not?

Again they cannot take what they do not know about, and the people who care are not a threat.

 

[expos4ever]

Even Sanders has warned there will be civil war if they try to take guns. I have never been in a war zone, but I do know there is NOTHING pretty about war,. Civilians die in combat. In fact, they do so at a higher rate and number than combatants,

That this is even a remote possibility speaks to how distinctly idiosyncratic American gun culture is. Guns in the hands of private citizens living in otherwise well-policed modern nations makes zero sense.

Even if it is in your Constitution.

 

[dogs4thewin]

As much as nukes kill people on their own, yet I don't see you complaining that you can't own them.

People have public transit and yet I have seen where there are roughly a car for every two people do we need that many cars?

 

[98cwitr]

I bet those armored vehicles, drones, artillery and aircraft are really scared of those pew pew pistols you have.

Those things are inanimate objects. They have no feelings.

 

[Skreeper]

People have public transit and yet I have seen where there are roughly a car for every two people do we need that many cars?

Probably not, but people are lazy.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That this is even a remote possibility speaks to how distinctly idiosyncratic American gun culture is. Guns in the hands of private citizens living in otherwise well-policed modern nations makes zero sense.

Even if it is in your Constitution.

The police can not be everywhere at a time. Also, if something happens because of that the police have to get there. Do you know how long it takes to commit a violent crime as compared to how long it can take police to get places sometimes?

 

[Paulos23]

That's because government regulation was never intended. The "shall not be infringed" part is rather direct.

Given that it mentions a "Well Regulated Militia", regulation is implied. Not be infringed could be interpreted that a class of people shall not be kept from arms. Requiring safety classes and registration of weapons I don't see as infringement of that right.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Probably not, but people are lazy.

so if you are saying we have too many guns that we do not need, yet we also have an awful lot of cars we do not need that do more harm than guns when in use properly.

 

[98cwitr]

Given that it mentions a "Well Regulated Militia", regulation is implied. Not be infringed could be interpreted that a class of people shall not be kept from arms. Requiring safety classes and registration of weapons I don't see as infringement of that right.

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[Aldebaran]

That this is even a remote possibility speaks to how distinctly idiosyncratic American gun culture is. Guns in the hands of private citizens living in otherwise well-policed modern nations makes zero sense.

Even if it is in your Constitution.

Did you hear about the church shooting that happened recently in Texas? It was over in 6 seconds thanks to a citizen gun owner. It would have taken far longer to call the police, describe the situation and location, then wait for the police to arrive, then wait for the police to secure the perimeter, and then make entry when they believe it is safe to do so? How long do you think that would have taken, and how many additional lives would it have been worth to have sacrificed by relying on the police?