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I now know why America is considered systemically racist

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by WonbyOneanddone, Apr 20, 2021.

  1. WonbyOneanddone

    WonbyOneanddone Active Member

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    After Georgia voted to require an ID to vote, I now understand why America is systemically racist.

    After all, think of all the things that require a government ID

    7 Things the US Government Requires IDs For | The National Interest



    1. Welfare Benefits:
    While there is no constitutional right to welfare benefits, the Supreme Court held in the case of Goldberg v. Kelly that welfare recipients are entitled to due process with a hearing before benefits can be terminated.

    Nevertheless, several states require some type of proof of identity to collect welfare. The states of Massachusetts and Missouri require a photo ID on the electronic benefit cards used for purchases under food stamps or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families expenditures. The EBT cards in Kansas include a photo if a participant agrees, but isn’t required, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    New York City has a municipal ID program. The city’s website says residents will need an ID to “get a job,” “cash a check,” “open a bank account,” “enter a government building,” and, further, says, “To be eligible for some public benefits you need to prove your identity, age and residence.”


    2. Registration for Buying Guns:

    Laws vary by state and even by municipality on buying a firearm.

    The District of Columbia, the point of dispute in the landmark Heller Supreme Court decision that determined every American has the right to bear arms, still has very strict gun control laws.

    It requires residents to register those guns. Gun owners must also obtain a gun license for any shotgun, rifle, or handgun. The District of Columbia city government prohibits the sale of handguns, but allows restricted sales on rifles and shotguns.


    In another example, New York City allows the selling of handguns, but with stricter rules than New York state. To buy a gun in the city, an individual must appear in person to fill out a 17-page handgun purchase authorization form to qualify for a purchase license. The form costs $340 and $89.75 for fingerprinting. The New York Times wrote that applicants “must provide an original Social Security card, birth certificate, two recent color photographs and other documents.”

    The application also requires individuals to explain employment dismissal and health history in addition to the background check that all gun buyers go through.


    3. Petition Your Government:

    It isn’t just the Second Amendment that is subject to ID scrutiny. First Amendment freedoms sometimes require some identification, said Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, and a former Justice Department attorney.


    “The First Amendment guarantees the right to petition your government, but anyone who wants to meet with a Department of Justice official has to show a government-issued photo ID to get into the Department of Justice building for the meeting,” von Spakovsky told The Daily Signal.

    The right to peacefully petition on Capitol Hill—beyond writing or calling a congressional office—generally requires becoming a registered lobbyist. States have various requirements for registered lobbyists as well.


    4. Right of Assembly:

    Further, many municipalities require permits to hold protests or rallies in a public space under certain circumstances. This process varies based on the city, but requires some paperwork by the organizers.


    5. Right to Marry:

    Official ID for obtaining a marriage license is nearly universal across states, said von Spakovsky. He noted that under the 1967 Loving v. Virginia ruling by the Supreme Court, marriage is a fundamental right.

    Today, the state at the center of that case requires photo ID. Fairfax County, Virginia, near the District of Columbia, states that requirements to get a marriage license include a “valid photo identification (a valid driver’s license with picture, passport, or military identification).”

    And, New York City’s website states, “You and your prospective spouse must have one form of proper identification in order to apply for a Marriage License.” The options include a driver’s license, active military ID card, passport, or permanent resident card.

    6. Freedom of Movement:

    While the right to board an airplane isn’t spelled out in the Constitution, von Spakovsky said the right to travel could be broadly considered a basic public accommodation and a freedom of movement issue, even though the Transportation Security Administration requires photo ID for everyone boarding a plane.

    Freedom of movement is recognized under the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution. The Supreme Court held in 1869 that this protected the rights of citizens, the “right of free ingress into other states, and egress from them.”

    “The 1960s civil rights movement was in part about the fundamental right to travel on trains and public buses,” von Spakovsky said.

    7. Public Accommodations:

    Opponents of voter ID laws contend that it’s difficult for minorities to obtain ID for voting. This could reasonably extend to public accommodations, von Spakovsky said.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits businesses such as restaurants and hotels from denying service on the grounds of race, color, religion, or national origin.

    “I can’t remember when I checked into a hotel and they didn’t ask me for photo ID,” von Spakovsky said.

    The American Civil Liberties Union, which is involved in current litigation against voter ID laws in states such as North Carolina, Kansas, and Texas, told The Daily Signal Wednesday that no one is available to comment regarding these other civil liberties that require some type of ID.
     
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  2. WonbyOneanddone

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    Trouble is, I did not say which race is discriminated against the most, that is, which race has the most living in poverty that might not be able to afford an ID

    Hey, Media: White People Are Poor, Too (theroot.com)

    There are about 8 million more poor white people than black.
     
  3. friend of

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    Voting should require ID period.
     
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  4. ViaCrucis

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    And there are 193 million more white people than black people in the US.

    -CryptoLuthearn
     
  5. Sabertooth

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    In Wisconsin, state IDs for the purpose of voting are free.
     
  6. Dkh587

    Dkh587 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You would be surprised how many people that are legal citizens of the USA are not able to get an ID.
     
  7. coffee4u

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    Probably because there are more white people than black people. Last I heard black people made up only 17% of your population.

    Honestly your country looks bad in so many ways, not just racially, but politically, your health care system, your education, you wages, Covid. I'm just really glad to not live there.
     
  8. disciple Clint

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    Yes I would be very surprised because many states not only provide an ID for non citizens they will register them to vote based off the same (dmv) data base
     
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  9. Dkh587

    Dkh587 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Do you like to read? I’ve found some good books along the way that have helped me understand systemic racism.

    I’ll be glad to share one with you if you are interested.
     
  10. Hazelelponi

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    There's nothing racist about requiring identification to prove you are who you day you are.

    In Missouri there are charities that help people with the fees involved in getting an ID when they can't afford it, and if your homeless and don't have a mailing address the state welfare offices will provide them one and give the individual in question the ID at the next appointment after it comes in.

    And there are charities all over the country that help, for instance this one in Minneapolis:

    Daily Outreach | The Basilica of Saint Mary

    In the DC area they have free programs as well.

    If someone is poor and can't afford an ID, all they have to do is sit down with a charity and tell them what help they need, and will be referred to the correct charity that can fulfil these needs, and Identification services are just another need that charities fulfill.

    Also, for the healthy and in poverty, one trip to donate blood plasma will net enough extra cash to pay for these items. (A regular donor can make 240 a month about 10 years ago, with a first time donation being paid $60.00 dollars and a second donation $40.00 - regular donors make a little less) and yes, my knowledge of this does mean I used to sell my blood... when your broke it works.

    In the United States those in poverty aren't without the help they need to get an ID. Poor people know where these things are, and how to get them, and if someone doesn't know all they have to do is ask another poor person...
     
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  11. Hvizsgyak

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    Any particular reason why? Especially in urban areas where everything is almost at one's fingertips.
     
  12. rjs330

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    Why not? What are the reasons? And how many are there?
     
  13. Dkh587

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    this will give you some insight

    Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet
     
  14. Aldebaran

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    Make sure to also read books that tell us how America has provided so many opportunities and freedom to so many people, and has been a beacon of light for the world, and has been so attractive of a place to come to for people all around the world.
     
  15. Aldebaran

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    I'm in! Surprise me!
     
  16. Hvizsgyak

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    So instead of making it easier to vote, we should be making it easier to get a picture ID for the state a person lives in and they should make it easier to get people to the polls or vote by mail.
     
  17. Dkh587

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    See post 13.
     
  18. Dkh587

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    That doesn’t negate systemic racism and the racist history of the USA.
     
  19. Aldebaran

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    Looks like just more accusations of making it harder to vote. Hardly anything in the way of proof. Just more claims that need to be proven themselves.
     
  20. Aldebaran

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    And the fantasy about systemic R doesn't negate the inherent good of America either.
     
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