I now know why America is considered systemically racist

[Dkh587]

And the fantasy about systemic R doesn't negate the inherent good of America either.

America being “good” is a fantasy. But your fingers are in your ears, so I’m afraid you will only keep believing in that fantasy. Take care.

 

[Aldebaran]

America being “good” is a fantasy. But your fingers are in your ears, so I’m afraid you will only keep believing in that fantasy. Take care.

The same would have to be said for all the immigrants who keep coming here. Maybe you could implement your vision of America at the border to keep people from coming here. Stand them yelling at them, "America is racist! You're a foreigner, so we don't want you! We're just a bunch of racists!" Maybe it will convince them to stay in their own country. As it is, they just don't seem to believe as you do.

 

[renniks]

We are such a terrible country that millions of " minorities " from other countries want to live here. So bad that parents send their children alone to America.

 

[disciple Clint]

Do you like to read? I’ve found some good books along the way that have helped me understand systemic racism.

I’ll be glad to share one with you if you are interested.

I would be very interested if there was anything in any of those books that provides evidence that Minorities are not able to get ID because I believe that minorities are just as able and capable of getting ID cards any anyone else, apparently some people think that minorities are deficient in some respects, I have no idea why they feel that way but it has to be very insulting to minorities.

 

[trophy33]

America being “good” is a fantasy. But your fingers are in your ears, so I’m afraid you will only keep believing in that fantasy. Take care.

I wonder, what countries do you think are much better to live in? And why wont you move there?

I do not think that America is the best for everybody. But its a decent country with many opportunities and good for some more independent kind of people.

 

[disciple Clint]

America being “good” is a fantasy. But your fingers are in your ears, so I’m afraid you will only keep believing in that fantasy. Take care.

Perhaps considering that many people are doing anything they can to enter and live in this country might be a fantasy but it is not and those who think that this country is not the best in the world might want to talk to the people who have lived in other countries and cant wait to live in this country instead. If may be fashionable for some teachers to disparage this nation and manipulate the minds of their students into hate but sooner or later those students learn enough about the rest of the world to see the liberals, or socialists, or Marxists or any combination of those have promoted a fantasy.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

That doesn’t negate systemic racism and the racist history of the USA.

The U.S.A is one of the youngest nations but is also a nation of many nations in it. Why do people from all nations dream of coming to such a dreadful racist place?

 

[disciple Clint]

That doesn’t negate systemic racism and the racist history of the USA.

Where is the evidence of this systemic racism, where is it, what are the examples? Show me.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Where is the evidence of this systemic racism, where is it, what are the examples? Show me.

Heres the evidence

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

 

[trophy33]

The U.S.A is one of the youngest nations but is also a nation of many nations in it. Why do people from all nations dream of coming to such a dreadful racist place?

Well, I do not think that Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Norwegians, Finnish, Swedish, Dutch, Brittish, Japanese, South Korean etc dream of coming to the USA Its mostly about the less developed countries, Mexico, Venezuela and similar.

Let us not be extreme - the USA is not something everybody wants in, but its not some worst and most racist country in the world.

In the standard of living, the USA are the 20th in the world:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

Which is not bad, but far from the best. But because of English and wide spread Spanish, its very convenient for many people from poor countries to go to the USA instead of to, for example, Japan.

For the most black people its better to live in the USA than in Africa. And they know it, no exodus is happening. When somebody is talking a drama, but not leaving, I trust their actions, not their words.

 

[WonbyOneanddone]

And there are 193 million more white people than black people in the US.

-CryptoLuthearn

Yes, but there are more poor white people

The assumption is, if you are black you will vote democrat and if you are white you are more likely to vote republican. Also, if you are poor you can't afford an ID. So if these premises are true, then republicans would be losing more votes and not democrats.

 

[WonbyOneanddone]

There's nothing racist about requiring identification to prove you are who you day you are.

In Missouri there are charities that help people with the fees involved in getting an ID when they can't afford it, and if your homeless and don't have a mailing address the state welfare offices will provide them one and give the individual in question the ID at the next appointment after it comes in.

And there are charities all over the country that help, for instance this one in Minneapolis:

Daily Outreach | The Basilica of Saint Mary

In the DC area they have free programs as well.

If someone is poor and can't afford an ID, all they have to do is sit down with a charity and tell them what help they need, and will be referred to the correct charity that can fulfil these needs, and Identification services are just another need that charities fulfill.

Also, for the healthy and in poverty, one trip to donate blood plasma will net enough extra cash to pay for these items. (A regular donor can make 240 a month about 10 years ago, with a first time donation being paid $60.00 dollars and a second donation $40.00 - regular donors make a little less) and yes, my knowledge of this does mean I used to sell my blood... when your broke it works.

In the United States those in poverty aren't without the help they need to get an ID. Poor people know where these things are, and how to get them, and if someone doesn't know all they have to do is ask another poor person...

So the alternative is to have people who can't prove who they are come in and vote?

That is not a good alternative. That is madness.

And to suggest that Blacks can't produce a voter ID any better than a white person is a racist assumption in itself.

 

[WonbyOneanddone]

That doesn’t negate systemic racism and the racist history of the USA.

The US does have a racist history, but much of it is misunderstood.

For example, children all over the country are now being taught the 1619 project in public schools. The premise is that slavery started in the US in 1619 and that slavery built the country, so the country actually started in 1619. That is a lie, there were slaves in the country before that time. In fact, there was slavery all throughout the world with very few actually coming to America compared to other parts of the world like in South America. The odd thing in America was that slaves were allowed to have families where as in Cuba, let's say, slaves were worked till they died and not allowed to have families. This led to slaves reproducing which ended up making the US one of the largest slave owning countries in the world. So slaves in the US had more rights than slaves abroad in the US.

Jefferson wanted to free the slaves in the Declaration of Independence but was convinced otherwise by slave owning colonies, specifically South Carolina. And then there was a bloody Civil war over slavery, white brother against white brother. Again, what country began a Civil war to end slavery? None that I know of. And then once slavery was outlawed, black were elected to Congress starting in 1869. If you look at the long list of blacks serving in Congress you will see something very interesting. From 1869 to 1933, they were all Republican, the party that freed the slaves. After that, they all turned democrat. So what happened in 1933? Jim Crow happened. In the rural areas, Blacks were not afforded the same rights as whites as they were in the cities, so blacks all moved into the cities where Jim Crow was not as enforced. Well the interesting thing about cities, is that cities lean left, they always have. So blacks ended up turning Left wing. Most think that LBJ signing the Civil Rights act had something to do with this, but the facts don't bear this out as you can see from this wiki page.

Black-American Members by Congress, 1870–Present | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

Then came the Civil Rights act. At this point blacks legally had the rights of everyone. But then something sinister began to occur within the black community. More and more black homes became single mother homes. Why? I think it was due to the welfare state LBJ began along side of the Civil Rights acts. Now single parent homes were being subsidized by the US government so that they could survive. Granted, they would remain in poverty but at least with government help single parent homes could survive and multiply. Today, about 75% of black homes are led by a single parent home. How can the black culture escape poverty with 75% of them thumbing their nose at the laws of God like this? Before this time, very few black homes were led by a single parent.

It is my contention that had the black culture escaped the LBJ snare of subsidizing immorality of single parent homes in the black culture, the black culture would not be steeped in poverty and crime as it is now. And yes, I know that more black are arrested, etc., but again, poverty along side children who find their father figures on the streets is what is driving this and not racism.

Does racism exist? Yes, but you can't convince me that a country that elected a black president twice is systemically racist.

Sorry.

 

[hislegacy]

See post 13.

Are you supporting the thought that not only can they not vote, but they cannot also:

• Purchase Alcohol
• Purchase Tobacco
• Open a bank account
• Apply for food stamps
• Apply for welfare
• Apply for Medicaid or social security
• Apply for a job
• Apply for unemployment
• Rent an Apartment
• Apply for a mortgage
• Drive - purchase - or rent a car
• Get on an airplane
• Get Married
• Purchase a gun
• Adopt a pet
• Rent a hotel room
• Get a hunting license
• But a cell phone
• Pick up a prescription at a pharmacy
• Legally hold a rally or protests
• Give blood
• Register to vote :https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

 

[Dkh587]

Are you supporting the thought that not only can they not vote, but they cannot also:

• Purchase Alcohol
• Purchase Tobacco
• Open a bank account
• Apply for food stamps
• Apply for welfare
• Apply for Medicaid or social security
• Apply for a job
• Apply for unemployment
• Rent an Apartment
• Apply for a mortgage
• Drive - purchase - or rent a car
• Get on an airplane
• Get Married
• Purchase a gun
• Adopt a pet
• Rent a hotel room
• Get a hunting license
• But a cell phone
• Pick up a prescription at a pharmacy
• Legally hold a rally or protests
• Give blood
• Register to vote :https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

There are people who are not able to attain identification, don’t have the transportation to get it, and also don’t have the ability/money/access to get the proper documentation to get it.

those are the facts. Expand your horizons outside of your bubble.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Well, I do not think that Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Norwegians, Finnish, Swedish, Dutch, Brittish, Japanese, South Korean etc dream of coming to the USA Its mostly about the less developed countries, Mexico, Venezuela and similar.

Let us not be extreme - the USA is not something everybody wants in, but its not some worst and most racist country in the world.

In the standard of living, the USA are the 20th in the world:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

Which is not bad, but far from the best. But because of English and wide spread Spanish, its very convenient for many people from poor countries to go to the USA instead of to, for example, Japan.

For the most black people its better to live in the USA than in Africa. And they know it, no exodus is happening. When somebody is talking a drama, but not leaving, I trust their actions, not their words.

I grew up in a time when it was the place to come and was pretty much referring to then (even though its a fairly young nation) but I do get it (now) and if there was another America I would have by now flee'd to it Even Venezuelans who fled socialism in their countries into the U.S are staring in horror as we slowly enter their living hell (which they left behind).

I hear you on Africa

 

[trophy33]

I grew up in a time when it was the place to come and was pretty much referring to then (even though its a fairly young nation) but I do get it (now) and if there was another America I would have by now flee'd to it Even Venezuelans who fled socialism in their countries into the U.S are staring in horror as we slowly enter their living hell (which they left behind).

I hear you on Africa

Yeah, I also remember times when the USA were much more attractive to Europeans, just 15-20 years ago. Not so much today...

Something is obviously changing.

 

[2BeholdHisGlory]

Yeah, I also remember times when the USA were much more attractive for Europeans, just 15-20 years ago. Not so much today...

Something is obviously changing.

It doesn't seem to take long at all to destroy a nation within before the fire of heaven drops upon all its blessings.

I never counted (unless you have a better clue) on how long it took for Sodom to be changed from a well watered land even as the garden of the LORD in Lots very eyes (and his chosing it for a dwelling) until the day (there was not even 10 righteous people left in it) and Lot had to flee it because the LORD would destroy it.

Anyone better at math then me when it comes to time (from the time Lot entered Sodom) to the time of his departure and its destruction?

 

[trophy33]

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