As the GOP drifts further right...

[The Barbarian]

If I say I’m a liberal Democrat, and support ideas that are foreign to the Democratic Party, am I still considered a Democrat?

The Barbarian replies:
If you're a member of the party, yes. If you win a democrat primary, certainly.

(sound of goalposts being frantically repositioned)

And I represent all the Democrats?

Nice try.

 

[Hammster]

The Barbarian replies:
If you're a member of the party, yes. If you win a democrat primary, certainly.

(sound of goalposts being frantically repositioned)



Nice try.

What’s the answer?

 

[Hammster]

I'll post this again, since you seem to be misunderstanding my post: if these ideas are supposedly so antithetical to conservatism, why are so many white supremacists identifying as Republicans and/or conservatives?
Ringo

Just because they co-opt a position doesn’t mean anything.

 

[Ringo84]

Just because they co-opt a position doesn’t mean anything.

I might be inclined to agree with you if it was only Kessler, or only Corey Stewart. One is an outlier. Many at once is a trend.
Ringo

 

[The Barbarian]

What’s the answer?

The answer is to respond to what I said, not what you suppose I said.

You asked if a particular sort of person was a member of a party.

I said that if he had joined the party and was nominated in a primary of that party, yes.

That's what I said.

 

[Hammster]

The answer is to respond to what I said, not what you suppose I said.

You asked if a particular sort of person was a member of a party.

I said that if he had joined the party and was nominated in a primary of that party, yes.

That's what I said.

And I asked if his views represented all Democrats? Then you deflected.

 

[The Barbarian]

I might be inclined to agree with you if it was only Kessler, or only Corey Stewart. One is an outlier. Many at once is a trend.
Ringo

David Duke was once the republican choice for Governor of Louisiana. To be fair, enough republicans crossed over and voted for the (also sleazy) democrat that they avoided the humiliation of a Klansman and Nazi running the state. I remember the billboards "Vote for the Crook; it's important" and "The lizard, not the wizard."

Duke was later elected as a Parish (county) republican chairman.

 

[The Barbarian]

And I asked if his views represented all Democrats? Then you deflected.

Do you think Donald Trump's racist views represent all republicans? When you know that, you'll have your answer. Hint: I already left it for you in this thread.

 

[Hammster]

Do you think Donald Trump's racist views represent all republicans? When you know that, you'll have your answer. Hint: I already left it for you in this thread.

You are still deflecting.

 

[Sistrin]

If you have to falsely accuse me of things to make your point, isn't it a pretty good clue about your motives?

This is your standard default defense, employ the Armadillo response and play the victim. Sorry, but a challenge to the norm of your post does not equate to someone making a false accusation. But I understand. When your arguments amount to little more than parroting what you hear on MSNBC, calling any who questions you names is typically all you have.

As you know, I pointed out that establishment republicans are horrified by the racism of Trump and West, and other like them.

What you did is what you always do. You found an article which supported your personal bias and then posted it here in an attempt to confirm that bias. However the effort was disingenuous from the start, as if you actually read the article you find West did not say "Hitler did nothing wrong," as you assert. He said “Looking back in history, unfortunately, Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany. And who was behind it.” Now if your intent had been actual discussion or debate, you would have posted called his actual comment into question. Instead you altered it in order to support your central claim that Republicans are racist, bigots, blah blah blah.

If these people, who are now in charge of the republican party praise Hitler, accuse Jews of ridiculous evil conspiracies, and act like Nazis, why would they be upset if people take them at their word?

Time to put up or shut up.

1. Who considered to be in charge of the Republican party has openly praised Hitler? Remember, West hasn't been elected to anything yet.

2. Who considered to be in charge of the Republican party has accused Jews of ridiculous evil conspiracies. Remember, West hasn't been elected to anything yet.

3. What acts have those considered to be in charge of the Republican party committed which equate to those historical acts of the Nazi Party, specifically the holocaust, which is the comparison leftist are always wailing about?

Translation: "The Evil Barbarian is resorting to facts, again."

Addressed above.

That is the only conclusion the American people can logically draw.

When logic is applied to leftist arguments, the obvious conclusion is leftist are full of crap.

 

[Sistrin]

When People Show You Who They Are, Believe Them.

This is supposed to represent an argument?

 

[The Barbarian]

Sistrin falsely accuses:
This does not matter. According to Barbarian logic one Republican made an anti-Semitic comment therefore all Republicans are anti-Semitic racist.

Barbarian observes:
If you have to falsely accuse me of things to make your point, isn't it a pretty good clue about your motives? As you read in my posts, I pointed out that many republicans were horrified when a pro-Trump admirer of Hitler won against an establishment republican.

This is your standard default defense, employ the Armadillo response and play the victim.

You made a false statement about me. I called you out on it. Learn from it and move on.

Sorry, but a challenge to the norm of your post does not equate to someone making a false accusation.

Attributing to me an opinion I did not express and do not hold, is indeed a false accusation. Not that it's a big problem for me. When you do that, it damages you, not the person you falsely accused.

But I understand.

I hope you do, now. Try to do better in the future.

When your arguments amount to little more than parroting what you hear on Fox News, calling any who questions you names is typically all you have.

What you did is what you always do.

You made up an opinion and insisted that I hold that opinion. This is what got you in trouble. Try to do better.

When logic is applied to white supremacist arguments, the obvious conclusion is that white supremacists are stuffed with prunes.

 

[The Barbarian]

A policy adviser for the pro-Trump group America First Policies praised Nazis in December and shared his disappointment that they didn’t “keep(redacted) going,” according to video obtained by Mediaite.


Juan Pablo Andrade reportedly expressed his appreciation for Nazis at the conference of Turning Point USA, a fast-growing college and young adult conservative group.


“The only thing the Nazis didn’t get right is they didn’t keep(redacted) going!” Andrade can be heard saying in a Snapchat video posted by alt-right activist Cæsar Svbervi.

Andrade worked on Trump’s National Hispanic Advisory Council, Trump’s National Diversity Coalition and the Trump campaign as a surrogate. He wrote for The Hill as an opinion contributor (his articles have since been removed from the website) and has shared his political opinions on NewsmaxTV, CNN Latino, and Univision. Additionally, he worked for TPUSA as the group’s Florida field director in 2015 and led the group’s informal Latino caucus in 2016. He was featured on the 2017 30 under 30s of Newsmax and Red Alert Politics, which are power lists compiling prominent young conservatives in America.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/pro-trump-group-s-policy-adviser-praises-nazis-1.6077722

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian asks:
Do you think Donald Trump's racist views represent all republicans? When you know that, you'll have your answer. Hint: I already left it for you in this thread.

You are still deflecting.

Since I pointed out to you that there were republicans who strongly opposed West, that should have been enough for you the first time.

 

[Sistrin]

Barbarian observes:
If you have to falsely accuse me of things to make your point, isn't it a pretty good clue about your motives? As you read in my posts, I pointed out that many republicans were horrified when a pro-Trump admirer of Hitler won against an establishment republican.



You made a false statement about me. I called you out on it. Learn from it and move on.



Attributing to me an opinion I did not express and do not hold, is indeed a false accusation. Not that it's a big problem for me. When you do that, it damages you, not the person you falsely accused.



I hope you do, now. Try to do better in the future.

When your arguments amount to little more than parroting what you hear on Fox News, calling any who questions you names is typically all you have.



You made up an opinion and insisted that I hold that opinion. This is what got you in trouble. Try to do better.

When logic is applied to white supremacist arguments, the obvious conclusion is that white supremacists are stuffed with prunes.

Res ipsa loquitur.

 

[Hammster]

Barbarian asks:
Do you think Donald Trump's racist views represent all republicans? When you know that, you'll have your answer. Hint: I already left it for you in this thread.



Since I pointed out to you that there were republicans who strongly opposed West, that should have been enough for you the first time.

Answering your question as a way to answer mine doesn’t really work because I’ve seen your OPs and how you twist things. So I was hoping for a direct answer to evaluate. I see that’s not going to happen.

 

[Dale]

This is your standard default defense, employ the Armadillo response and play the victim. Sorry, but a challenge to the norm of your post does not equate to someone making a false accusation. But I understand. When your arguments amount to little more than parroting what you hear on MSNBC, calling any who questions you names is typically all you have.



What you did is what you always do. You found an article which supported your personal bias and then posted it here in an attempt to confirm that bias. However the effort was disingenuous from the start, as if you actually read the article you find West did not say "Hitler did nothing wrong," as you assert. He said “Looking back in history, unfortunately, Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany. And who was behind it.” Now if your intent had been actual discussion or debate, you would have posted called his actual comment into question. Instead you altered it in order to support your central claim that Republicans are racist, bigots, blah blah blah.



Time to put up or shut up.

1. Who considered to be in charge of the Republican party has openly praised Hitler? Remember, West hasn't been elected to anything yet.

2. Who considered to be in charge of the Republican party has accused Jews of ridiculous evil conspiracies. Remember, West hasn't been elected to anything yet.

3. What acts have those considered to be in charge of the Republican party committed which equate to those historical acts of the Nazi Party, specifically the holocaust, which is the comparison leftist are always wailing about?



Addressed above.



When logic is applied to leftist arguments, the obvious conclusion is leftist are full of crap.

This thread is a bit cantankerous for my tastes but I'll try to answer your question.

Is West just a fluke?


What about Pat Buchanan? Pat Buchanan is well known for his belief that the US made a mistake going to war with Nazi Germany in WWII. He is well known as a commentator. My local paper has carried some of his columns and he has authored several widely read books. He has said that Jews who work for the Defense Department are spying on the US.

Pat Buchanan was an aide to Richard Nixon and Communications Director for Ronald Reagan.

He was also a primary candidate in the Republican Party and also the Reform Party.

In the 1992 Republican primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to George H. W. Bush.
In the 1996 Republican primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to Bob Dole.
In the 2000 Reform Party primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to Donald Trump.

Pat Buchanan isn't exactly running the Republican Party but his lifetime impact is considerable.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

This is supposed to represent an argument?

No just a wise woman quote that apply to this situation and OP.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

This thread is a bit cantankerous for my tastes but I'll try to answer your question.

Is West just a fluke?


What about Pat Buchanan? Pat Buchanan is well known for his belief that the US made a mistake going to war with Nazi Germany in WWII. He is well known as a commentator. My local paper has carried some of his columns and he has authored several widely read books. He has said that Jews who work for the Defense Department are spying on the US.

Pat Buchanan was an aide to Richard Nixon and Communications Director for Ronald Reagan.

He was also a primary candidate in the Republican Party and also the Reform Party.

In the 1992 Republican primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to George H. W. Bush.
In the 1996 Republican primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to Bob Dole.
In the 2000 Reform Party primary, Pat Buchanan came in second to Donald Trump.

Pat Buchanan isn't exactly running the Republican Party but his lifetime impact is considerable.

And Republican party has used racist Southern Strategy for over 1/2 century now. West fits with Southern Strategy to perfection.

 

[The Barbarian]

Answering your question as a way to answer mine doesn’t really work

It doesn't work for you, but it does a fine job of clarifying the issue. As you realize, I've already answered the question. You just didn't like the answer.

because I’ve seen your OPs and how you twist things

I notice that people who don't have an effective argument, usually go for ad homenim to cover it up. If that's not the case for you, it's probably not a good idea for you to act like it.