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Res ipsa loquitur.

Latine usus est saepe a viris filiis autem ignorantia tegant.
Atributed to a Paris lecture by Peter Abelard ca. 1130

Those words you used, don't mean what you seem to think they mean. In context of your posts, they appear to be a sort of self-mocking. Are you sure that's what you intended?
 
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It doesn't work for you, but it does a fine job of clarifying the issue. As you realize, I've already answered the question. You just didn't like the answer.



I notice that people who don't have an effective argument, usually go for ad homenim to cover it up. If that's not the case for you, it's probably not a good idea for you to act like it.
And still dodging.
 
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Is West just a fluke?

Do you even know what West actually said? Because it wasn't what was passed off as fact in the OP.

What about Pat Buchanan?

What about him?

Pat Buchanan is well known for his belief that the US made a mistake going to war with Nazi Germany in WWII.

You might want to actually read his book, and thus be able to place that comment into proper context. But I know, I know, it is far easier to just call someone a racist.

He is well known as a commentator.

Oh no, not that...

He has said that Jews who work for the Defense Department are spying on the US.

Do you have anything to support this assertion? Or is just something you read on VOX?

Pat Buchanan was an aide to Richard Nixon and Communications Director for Ronald Reagan.

Is this meant to be guilt by association? Or an oblique charge that because Buchanan worked for both Nixon and Reagan both Nixon and Reagan were his puppets?
 
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Sistrin

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And Republican party has used racist Southern Strategy for over 1/2 century now. West fits with Southern Strategy to perfection.

This comment tells me you don't even know what the Southern Strategy was supposed to be, let alone it rises to nothing other than another leftist myth.
 
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And as the GOP drifts farther right, we are seeing more Nazis, white supremacists, and anti-Semites running as republicans.

And it's no secret why they feel encouraged.
Still waiting for the evidence that supports your assertion.

Still...

Waiting.....
 
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Still waiting for the evidence that supports your assertion.

Still...

Waiting.....

Hmmm...

In at least five state and national races across the country, the Republican Party is dealing with an uncomfortable problem. Their party’s candidates are either a card-carrying Nazi, a Holocaust denier, a proud white supremacist, or all of the above.


In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.”


Republicans in the state have regrets. “This is a very Democratic district, one that we failed to keep our eye on,” Dallas Woodhouse, executive chair of the North Carolina GOP, told me in an email. “However, we can’t stop him from running.”


In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.”


In Virginia, the chair of the state GOP resigned earlier this month, reportedly because of alt-right leaning, pro-Confederate candidate Corey Stewart’s win in the Republican primary. But even Stewart had to disavow Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. (The California GOP has disavowed him.)


Racial animus helped fuel the rise of Donald Trump. Since the end of the civil rights movement and under Republican strategist Lee Atwater’s “Southern strategy” that used racism as an unstated cudgel agains
t Democrats, the Republican Party itself has played a welcoming host to racial tensions and fears. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/175258...-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia

You saw this the first time and admitted:

That’s the first decent argument you’ve made to support your OP. Thank you.

You probably forgot.

However, I will still say that it’s not the GOP that’s drifting.

Imagine someone like West or Trump in the party of Ronald Reagan. It's a crazy idea. Reagan and his fellows would not have permitted it.

But today's party has drifted far from the party of Reagan.
 
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Yonny Costopoulis said:
And Republican party has used racist Southern Strategy for over 1/2 century now. West fits with Southern Strategy to perfection.

This comment tells me you don't even know what the Southern Strategy was supposed to be, let alone it rises to nothing other than another leftist myth.

From the guy who largely invented and implemented it, Nixon's strategist, Kevin Phillips:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf

A cynical and calculated appeal to racists. And it worked. As Yonny says, it still works.

But over time, the appeals to racism on the part of the republicans got more genteel:

It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “(n-word three times).” By 1968 you can’t say “(n-word)”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “(n-word twice).”
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

And now in Trump's party, they're starting to go back to the pre-Atwater days.
 
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This comment tells me you don't even know what the Southern Strategy was supposed to be, let alone it rises to nothing other than another leftist myth.
If you do not understand that Southern Strategy is racist there is no reason to having further conversation. If you would like to continue the conversation please read about it. I cannot provide link as proper explanations contain bad language.
 
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It's frightening all the same. American blood was shed copiously to defeat Hitler and totalitarianism, mind control etc. What is happening?

You can defeat men, but evil is a constant in human affairs. In each generation, evil appears in a different form.

But when fascism comes it will not be in the form of an anti-American movement or pro-Hitler bund, practicing disloyalty. Nor will it come in the form of a crusade against war. It will appear rather in the luminous robes of flaming patriotism; it will take some genuinely indigenous shape and color, and it will spread only because its leaders, who are not yet visible, will know how to locate the great springs of public opinion and desire and the streams of thought that flow from them and will know how to attract to their banners leaders who can command the support of the controlling minorities in American public life. The danger lies not so much in the would-be Fuhrers who may arise, but in the presence in our midst of certainly deeply running currents of hope and appetite and opinion. The war upon fascism must be begun there.
John Thomas Flynn
 
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Nearly half of the republicans in a district think an admirer of Hitler is the best candidate. You may not find that to be an indicator of a major problem in the GOP, but clearly the establishment republicans think so.
Your assertion is not exactly borne out by the facts.

What actually happened and was said: West ran because no Republican had filed for the seat. Not only did he win, but with 49 percent of the 3,003 total party votes, he got more that all three of his Republican opponents combined.

So 3000 people voted for him. Hardly a referendum by "half the republicans in a district", as you state.

“Looking back in history, unfortunately, Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany.”

“The problem that took place in Germany after World War I was that communists took over Germany, and then Nazism was a response to that," he said. "Now they're going to say that I'm a Nazi. I'm not a Nazi. I don't believe in racial supremacy. I don't believe in anything that Hitler did. Now they have taken that line out of context, and all you hear now is that a bigoted Republican primary candidate now says Hitler was right.”

https://fox4kc.com/2018/08/14/misso...aves-after-candidates-controversial-comments/

Facts matter.

 
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Barbarian observes:
Nearly half of the republicans in a district think an admirer of Hitler is the best candidate. You may not find that to be an indicator of a major problem in the GOP, but clearly the establishment republicans think so.

Your assertion is not exactly borne out by the facts.

Well, let's take a look...

What actually happened and was said: West ran because no Republican had filed for the seat.

Actually, he had two other republican opponents, neither of which was a nazi sympathizer, anti-Semitic, or a white supremacist.

So 3000 people voted for him.

Yep. About 49.5% of the republican voters.

Hardly a referendum by "half the republicans in a district", as you state.

I said nearly half. Can't get much closer than 49.5. to half.

“Looking back in history, unfortunately, Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany.”


Hitler claimed that the Jews were uniting with the communists to control "real Germans." Do you think he was right?

“The problem that took place in Germany after World War I was that communists took over Germany, and then Nazism was a response to that,
" he said.

Which of course, is also a lie. The communists never had control of the German republic. It's the nature of Nazis to lie; it's part of their program. Such things, in a time when "alternative facts" are practiced by the radical right in America, are taken seriously by white surpremacists.

Facts matter.

Indeed.
 
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Do you even know what West actually said? Because it wasn't what was passed off as fact in the OP.



What about him?



You might want to actually read his book, and thus be able to place that comment into proper context. But I know, I know, it is far easier to just call someone a racist.



Oh no, not that...



Do you have anything to support this assertion? Or is just something you read on VOX?



Is this meant to be guilt by association? Or an oblique charge that because Buchanan worked for both Nixon and Reagan both Nixon and Reagan were his puppets?



Sistrin, I won't try to count how many times you put me down in post #126. It doesn't deserve an answer, but I'll give an answer to one point.


Dale said: He [Buchanan] has said that Jews who work for the Defense Department are spying on the US.

[Sistrin:]Do you have anything to support this assertion? Or is just something you read on VOX?


Reply: This information is available from any number of sources.

"Washington today is rife with reports the FBI has been investigating whether or not a nest of Pollardites inside the Pentagon has been funneling secrets, through the Israeli lobby AIPAC, to the Reno Road embassy and on to Sharon. "

Pat Buchanan said this in a column titled "Pollardites in the Pentagon?" on September 8, 2004.
You don't even have to read the column to know that Buchanan means to paint Jews as Israeli spies working against the US. Just read the column title. If you want to read the column in full, here is a link.

Link to Pollardites in the Pentagon?
http://www.theamericancause.org/patpentagon.htm

Moreover, this isn't the only place where Buchanan has said this.

[Pat Buchanan says] "We also need to investigate whether there is a nest of Pollardites in the Pentagon who have been transmitting American secrets through APAC, the Israeli lobby, over to Reno Road, the Israeli embassy, to be transferred to Mr. Sharon."
-- Meet the Press, September 5,2004

Link:
https://www.adl.org/resources/profiles/pat-buchanan-in-his-own-words


You need to reconsider your defense of Pat Buchanan.
 
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In recent years, there's been a tendency for the extreme right to reverse their attitudes toward Jews, especially as it pertains to Israel. Most extreme right leaders (other than the alt-right and Nazis) now support Israel. Buchanan seems to have not gotten the memo.
 
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In recent years, there's been a tendency for the extreme right to reverse their attitudes toward Jews, especially as it pertains to Israel. Most extreme right leaders (other than the alt-right and Nazis) now support Israel. Buchanan seems to have not gotten the memo.
They spent 1/2 century trying to make excuses and denials for deaths of 6 million Jews. They finally come to realization they can not do this. But give credit for effort.
 
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