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23 years after 9/11, pastor who served at Ground Zero explains why it’s important to remember

Praise the Lord that Pastor Stonier was used by the Holy Spirit to help the victims there in NYC.
Amen. May God continue to help the victims to heal.
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How do you Release anger ?

Tonight is a bit hard for me but I realize I'm carrying alot of anger, sadness, depression and fear. I feel myself being a bit bitter as well.

I feel anger and sadness come up alot.
Is there a way to spiritually release this bc I just don't want to carry this with me.

How do I let this go?

I'm not sure, sister Macchiato. When I find out how, I'll let you know. In the mean time, I'm mulling the Serenity Prayer over in my mind, hoping that I can soon figure out how to "accept" the seemingly immovable and frustrating parts of my reality. :prayer:

In Christ
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Harris lies about Vance.

The fact of life comment about Vance from Harris is fair in context.

Schools are soft targets (Vance)
Psychos will try to shoot them up (Vance) [and also just really angry kids (me)]
We will brook no attempt to make guns actually hard to acquire (assumed about Vance)

Its the last part where Harris has to make a leap. But its fair. Given the longstanding GOP attitude, its on Vance to say if hes ready to break from that.
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Question to protestants about Faith Alone

Baptism is like a sacrament of the New Covenant.

Jesus was Himself Baptized, and we follow in His shoes.

Just because Christ didn't Baptize just means that wasn't His role, it's a role He gave to His Disciples and followers, according to their position.

Baptism isn't necessary to go to Heaven after we die.

For example I was saved in winter and my husband wouldn't allow me to be baptized until spring. His mother vehemently disagreed with him because she was baptized in the winter with ice in the river but my husband was adamant that I not be baptized until spring.

Had I died at any point before I could be baptized I was still saved and in Christ and my election sure.

But it doesn't stop Baptism from being a command. We have to be baptized if we are able. Not everyone is able for varying reasons. But where any ability exists it should be entered into.
We have to be baptized if we are able

Or what? What are the consequences (if any) if we don't?
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Did Jesus bring peace?

Luke 2:


This was not universal peace or external peace. John 14:


This was inner peace.

On the other hand, Matthew 10:


That's about external peace or conflicts.

Was Jesus here to bring peace or not?

Jesus brought inner peace to those who believed in him. In his second coming, he will bring universal and external peace.

How does one make sense of these two conflicting passages?

John 14 was about inner peace, while Matthew 10 was about external peace. Jesus brought us inner peace, and when he returns, he will bring universal peace.
Agree. Jesus did not come to bring world peace, but inner peace. The peace that passes or transcends all understanding.

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Despite the turmoil that goes on in the world and at times in our lives, we are still at peace in our hearts and minds because of knowing that everything will work out fine in the end when Jesus returns.
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The Right Time by Disciple

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My ship is going down tonight
And the waves are drowning out all the life
And I'm pretty sure there's no way I will make it out
Then just at the right time God comes crashing in
Just at the right time I'm saved by His hand
Just when I thought all hope was lost and this would be the end
There was God just at the right time
The sun is swallowed by the clouds
And the darkness closes in on all around
And I'm pretty sure that there's no way
But He'll make a way somehow
Then just at the right time God comes crashing in
Just at the right time I'm saved by His hand
Just when I thought all hope was lost and this would be the end
There was God just at the right time
My God will make a way even when it seems that there's no way
With God it's never too late
With God it's never too late
Then just at the right time God comes crashing in
Just at the right time I'm saved by His hand
Just when I thought all hope was lost and this would be the end
There was God just at the right time

Unbroken by Disciple

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Inside my head there's a war tonight still no end in sight
And every breath is cold as ice but the fire will never die
Won't let myself be shaken by the way I see the times
There's an ending that's unseen that I choose to believe
That I won't break
Holding on to the words You've spoken
Through the fight and the flames I'm not alone
My hope in You is set in stone
So let the sky fall down, the earthquake shake the ground
Whatever comes my way I know that
I'm coming out the other side unbroken
I'm coming out unbroken
You will give me strength and wings to fly to rise above the night
So come what may let the waters rise and I'll walk on the tides
Won't let my faith be haunted by the bones that lay behind
'Cause there's an ending that's unseen that I choose to believe
That I won't break
Holding on to the words You've spoken
Through the fight and the flames I'm not alone
My hope in You is set in stone
So let the sky fall down, the earthquake shake the ground
Whatever comes my way I know that
I'm coming out the other side unbroken
I'm coming out the other side unbroken
I'm coming out unbroken
So let sky fall down, the earthquake shake the ground
I am coming out, I'm coming out unbroken
Holding on to the words You've spoken
Through the fight and the flames I'm not alone
My hope in you is set in stone
So let the sky fall down, the earthquake shake the ground
Whatever comes my way I know that
I'm coming out the other side unbroken
I'm coming out the other side unbroken

5 companies that are scaling back DEI, LGBT advocacy

Large companies created "Human Resource" departments after the Civil Rights Act to ensure they were obeying the law and to keep the executives out of court. Human Resources departments are a matter of pain avoidance.

DEI was not necessitated by any new laws. It was nothing more than an attempt by companies to display the right "vibe," to get social approval. That was "gratification seeking," which for a company equates to "more customers" or "improved operations." It's only worth while as long as it actually results in making more sales or improving operations...neither of which DEI does. "Good vibes" is ultimately not profitable.
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