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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
About Solicitations for Violence and Criminal Activities, on Social Media
- By Stephen3141
US says white supremacist group tried to incite followers on Telegram to spark race war
Leaders Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison face 15 counts including soliciting hate crimes and support for terrorism
It's quite easy for Christians to recognize that white supremicists,
trying to incite their followers on social media to commit acts of
violence and destruction against the American government, in
order to incite a race war in America, is evil.
Note that it is proper for the Justice Department to indict and prosecute
these white supremicist speakers, as they are not covered by some mythical
"immunity from prosecution" by the right to freedom of speech.
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What is NOT quite so obvious to many American Christians, is that there is an
overlap between the rhetoric of white supremicist groups, and the rhetoric of
other influencers on the Internet, whom Christians would NOT associate with
white supremicists.
For example, we see arguments used by the white supremicists, sometimes
echoed by Tucker Carlson in his conspiracy theory hallucinations. Tucker
recently came out with the story that Hitler and the Nazis, did not really "plan"
the Holocaust of the Jews, despite reams of historical evidence that both
Hitler and the Nazi regime carefully planned the Holocaust. The white supremicists
say the same thing.
For example, we see the rhetoric among white supremicists, that non-white
people (whatever that means), are a huge source of disease and crime and
stolen jobs, for (white) American Christians. You might think that no American
Christians would be dumb enough NOT to realize that these same arguments, as
used by some politicians (who do not come right out and say that they are
white supremicists), are actually THE ARGUMENTS OF WHITE SUPREMICISTS.
It is right for the Department of Justice to pursue the prosecution of these
abusive groups, with the RICO racketeering laws, and to hold these groups
accountable for the lies that they are telling, and the criminal activity that
they are trying to incite.
It is fine for Christians to advocate for the upholding of law and order.
But when politicians or Christians bypass the fair rule of law in America, and advocate for
"taking the law into your own hands", then they are advocating for lawlessness. They
are advocating for bypassing the fair rule of law in America. And, for Christians,
lawlessness is sin.
Christians should be aware of the great difference between being for "law and order",
and advocating for bypassing the law, and carrying out acts of lawless vigilantism.
School forced girl to sleep with male, allowed ‘nonbinary’ female to supervise boys' showers: lawsuit
- By stevevw
And the ideologues said "no one is forcing anyone to go along with this ideology". These examples are just the unreality of the ideology spilling out into real life. The more its infiltrated into mainstream society the more we will see these examples.Jefferson County Public Schools in Colorado allowed a "nonbinary" female to supervise boys' showers and forced a female student to share a bed with a male, violating parental rights over children's privacy and accommodation decisions on school trips, according to a federal lawsuit filed on behalf of parents.
The lawsuit accuses JCPS of not providing truthful information to parents concerning who will be supervising and sharing accommodations with their children on school-sponsored trips, the advocacy group Alliance Defending Freedom, which filed the complaint on behalf of three families, said in a statement.
The policy at the center of the controversy directs that students be "assigned to share overnight accommodations with other students that share the student's gender identity" rather than according to their biological sex.
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School forced girl to sleep with male, allowed ‘nonbinary’ female to supervise boys' showers: lawsuit
Jefferson County Public Schools in Colorado allowed a nonbinary female to supervise boys showers and forced a female student to share a bed with a male, violating parental rights over children swww.christianpost.com
The logical extention of the underlying idea that subjective identity is a protected species is that subjective identity is reality. Is a new form of objective reality, if you could call it that. But a new measure of what is real in the world. As opposed to say biological sex which was until 5 minutes ago the objective reality.
So of course like anything, like physics and gravity if you subjectively believe you can fly you will come crashing down to earth. The same with Trans and Gender ideology. There are many down to earth moments like the ones mentioned.
I think the more these examples happen the more people begin to realise the unreality of the ideology. Most people only have a superficial view of whats going on and as this is often about nobel causes they tend to go along. So the more we can expose what is really going on by exposing the unreality of the underlying ideology through facts and with objective and lived reality the better.
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The Problem of Journalists, and a Lack of Logic...
- By stevevw
- Christian Philosophy & Ethics
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Both sides do it and whats interesting is that the media in general are not just reporting anymore but reporting according to an ideological reason. How belief has more or less crept into the dissemination of information.
Tulsi Gabbard says Dick Cheney has made it easier: 'A vote for Kamala Harris is...' - Times of India
US News: Tulsi Gabbard who joined Team Trump ahead of the election said she served in the Middle East and she believes that Bush's VP Dick Cheney is responsibltimesofindia.indiatimes.com
I include this article, to prompt Christians to think carefully about
the arguments that journalists are making. This argument is from the
Times of India. Half of India's citizens are illiterate, so they are ripe for
manipulation by those who can read and write....
Note that the journalist associated Dick Chaney with the reason that
America got involved in all the wars it did, in the Middle East. This is
hardly an objective assertion.
But, regarding voting for a president, the journalist claims that "a vote
for Kamala Harris is a vote for Dick Cheney", Tulsi Gabbard asserts.
Note that this is dysfunctional logic. Dick Cheney is not running for any
office. A vote for Kamala, is specifically, a vote for Kamala. Why voters
may vote for Kamala and Tim Walz -- well, there may be dozens of reasons.
But the journalist from the times of India, does not mention this truth. The assertion
uses both a literal meaning of "vote", and a metaphorical meaning of "vote".
It would be the same argument, that RFK Junior supports Trump, so a vote for Trump
is a vote for someone who left a dead bear cub in Central Park, and who thinks
that he has a dead worm in his brain. And who believes ridiculous conspiracy
theories.
THAT doesn't make any sense.
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Christians should be much more critical, when reading articles that suppose
that they know the INTENTIONS of people, when they engage in some action.
Once a journalist IMPUTES some intention to someone in an article, they
rarely go back and correct that imputation, if they find out that they are
wrong. The journalist should have gathered the statements from Liz Cheney
and Dick Cheney, regarding WHY they were advising that people vote for
Kamala Harris, along with the statement by Tulsi Gabbard, about why she
thinks that the Cheneys are supporting Kamala Harris, over against Trump.
I think this is endemic of how identity politics has spread into all facets of life and this is indemic of the political becoming the personal, a rally cry of the Feminist and Queer movements of the 70's and 80's.
I think its also that mainstream society, the public square in rejecting the traditional belief in God has lost its moral compass and become relativistic. So substitute beliefs and morals fill the void. The current Woke is one example of this permeation. As a response both sides become more extreme and intensify their ideological positions.
But I also think more generally this is the result of living in a Postmodernist era. Postmodernism is basically about language, narratives and words ccreating the reality we live in rather than objective reality. Its basically social constructionism the belief that reality is a social contruction.
So the media becomes the vichicle in which new realities are created. Say it enough and it becomes real. Undermine truth with personal narratives appealing to a nobel cause but hiding an ideological agenda. Though many who are fooled by this new reality really believe what they do. That is until you proble a bit and out comes the unreality.
But its hard to combat because when you have all these alternative narratives and claims and counter claims of fake news with emotional blackmail appealing to nobel reasons people find it hard to destinguish on the surface and most people are good hearted people who fall for such stuff.
Thats why its so important to stop, do some investigation and look at the facts. This includes the lived reality. That is the persons actions as opposed to their words. Or that the persons own words or the information put out by the media is contradicted by the same media and what is actually happening on the ground.
We will always find a disconnect and conflict when people misrepresent the truth and reality. They have a way of coming back to bite us on the backside.
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The Catholic Faith Is Not Alien to the Universe
- By RileyG
- One Bread, One Body - Catholic
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Thanks for sharing 
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Can demons possess children?
- Bibliology & Hermeneutics
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Demons possess kids once per year, when they dress up as evil creatures every October 31.
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London council removes Progress Pride flag after complaint of ‘political bias’
- General Politics
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Two words about that rainbow progress flag being showboated in public: Burn it.A progress pride flag is held above the crowd of LGBT activists during the Los Angeles LGBT Center in West Hollywood, California, on April 9, 2023. | ALLISON DINNER/AFP via Getty Images
Lewisham Council in London, England, has removed a Progress Pride flag from its headquarters following allegations of political bias and a threat of a High Court injunction.
The complaint was lodged by Christian political candidate Maureen Martin, who accused the council of violating the Local Government Act by displaying the flag during an election period.
Martin, representing the Christian Peoples’ Alliance in Lewisham East, initiated legal action through her lawyers, who warned the council that they would seek injunctive relief in the High Court unless the flags were taken down.
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London council removes Progress Pride flag after complaint of ‘political bias’
Lewisham Council in London, England, has removed a Progress Pride flag from its headquarters following allegations of political bias and a threat of a High Court injunction The complaint was lodged
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