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“We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. Each of us should please our neighbors for their good, to build them up. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: ‘The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.’ For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.” (Romans 15:1-4 NIV)

In context, “the weak” were those Jewish Christians who could not let go of some of the Old Covenant liturgical, ceremonial, and dietary laws and restrictions, which were no longer required of them under the New Covenant (see Romans 14:1-23). This seemed to be focused in two main areas, the first being the dietary restrictions of the Old Covenant versus the freedom to eat anything (pretty much) under the New Covenant. Secondly had to do with the keeping of the Sabbath, I believe. Some held on to regarding one day more sacred than others, while others considered every day alike.

Even though those people who held on to the Old Covenant dietary laws, and the keeping of one day a week as more sacred than others, were now free from having to do those things, under the New Covenant, they believed that they should retain them. And even though they were regarded, then, as weak in the faith, and not strong in faith as those who felt the freedom to not do those things, they were not chastised, but they were regarded as those who were doing what they were doing as to the Lord, the same as those who had the freedom to not follow those same Old Covenant laws.

The main point with this, though, was that they were not to stand in judgment, one against the other, for these issues were regarded as disputable matters, and not matters of Christian doctrine. Do we now have the freedom in Christ to not have to go by Old Covenant dietary laws? Absolutely! Are we, as Christians, required to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath day? No, we are not! In fact, we are encouraged, as the body of Christ, to meet together daily for the purpose of exhorting one another so that none of us are being led astray by deceitful desires (Hebrews 3:13).

So, if we have differences of opinion about things which are “disputable matters” of Christian practice, but which do not enter into the area of Christian doctrine, we are not to stand in judgment, one against the other. But we should be glad for one another that we are all serving the Lord in our lives in ways in which we believe we should, in reverential fear of the Lord, but never as a matter of pride or snobbery or feelings of superiority. And we should do what we know how to do to get along with one another and to be at peace with one another and not be at odds with each other.

But this does not enter into the area of Christian doctrine where there are definite rights and wrongs of lifestyle and practice, and where we definitely are told that we must live a certain way or we will not have eternal life with God. So we need to learn to differentiate between matters of opinion, which may be disputable and unsolvable matters which we must learn to be at peace with each other about, and matters of biblical doctrine and practice which will determine our relationships with the Lord and where we will spend eternity. That matters that we all agree, because our souls are at risk!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-21; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

So, pleasing our neighbors for their good does not engage compromise of biblical truth and doctrine regarding faith, salvation, and eternal life. We don’t bend in these areas in order to please our neighbors, for remember this has to be “for their good.” And if we compromise truth in doctrine regarding the gospel of our salvation, we are not doing for anyone what is for their good, but only that which will harm them. But when we hold strongly to the truth of the gospel, we should expect that we will be insulted and persecuted and hated as Jesus was, and that can be a lonely existence.

[Matthew 5:10-12; Matthew 10:16-25,34-39; Matthew 24:9-14; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 12:49-53; Luke 21:12-17; John 15:18-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 7:9-17; Revelation 11:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 13:1-18; Revelation 14:1-13]

The Rock of My Heart

Lyricist: Bassford, Matthew W.; Psalm 73
Composer: Schales, Glenda Barnhart


My Lord, I need nothing beside You;
Without You, I could not have stood.
Your promise is my hope and my refuge;
Your nearness, my strength and my good.

When I was distressed and embittered,
By things I could not understand,
Your presence was continually with me;
You always took hold of my hand.

I know that Your counsel will guide me
In wisdom, devotion, and love,
And afterward You’ll call me to glory
To dwell in Your presence above.

My heart may be broken within me;
My earthly strength may depart.
But You are my portion forever,
You are the Rock of my heart.

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An Original Work / February 21, 2025
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Hamas hands over bodies of 4 slain Israelis, including Shiri Bibas and her two young boys

The body of a woman who was presumed to have been one of four slain hostages murdered in cold blood by Hamas and handed over to Israel this week was allegedly turned over by the terror group on Friday.

Hamas handed over a coffin allegedly carrying the remains of Shiri Bibas to the Red Cross. The coffin was then turned over to Israeli authorities, who will transport it to the National Institute of Forensic Medicine for identification.

The development follows Israel’s demand for the return of Bibas’ body after discrepancies were found in a previous transfer on Thursday.

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Remains of Shiri Bibas, mom of two killed, allegedly returned to Israel following Hamas' broken promise

The remains of a woman killed while in captivity by Hamas was supposedly handed over to Israel on Friday, a day after her body was supposed to be brought back.
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Shock and outrage after release of hostage remains shows body of Shiri Bibas not released; 3 others murdered

The body of a woman who was presumed to have been one of four slain hostages murdered in cold blood by Hamas and handed over to Israel this week was allegedly turned over by the terror group on Friday.

Hamas handed over a coffin allegedly carrying the remains of Shiri Bibas to the Red Cross. The coffin was then turned over to Israeli authorities, who will transport it to the National Institute of Forensic Medicine for identification.

The development follows Israel’s demand for the return of Bibas’ body after discrepancies were found in a previous transfer on Thursday.

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Preach the gospel if necessary use words

"Preach the gospel at all times. Use words if necessary" is often attributed to St. Francis of Assisi, though there is no evidence he actually said it.

That saying should be counter-balanced by Romans 10:


The phrase "preach the Gospel; if necessary, use words" is a call to live out one's faith authentically and demonstrably, letting actions be the primary testament to the transformative power of the Gospel. Words should be used to supplement and explain this lived experience when appropriate. Don't preach the Gospel unless you are supporting it with your actions.

There was a special case in 1 Peter 3:


Generally, words are necessary. Jesus demonstrated the Gospel through both words and deeds.
Very nice assessment Tony. The words of Francis of Assisi there are part of my signature on my email, along with Oswald Chambers words, "I have never met a person I could despair of, or lose all hope for, after discerning what lies in me apart from the grace of God."
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The rapture in the Torah

Alright so when you use the term "rapture" you're using it in the popular Dispensationalist sense of Christians being taken up into heaven.

Well, then, for one, none of the passages you offer here talk about Christians being taken up into heaven.

In 1 Thessalonians 4, Paul never mentions Christians being taken up into heaven. He says that when Christ returns the dead are raised and we who are alive are also transformed and brought up to meet the returning Lord Jesus in the air.

In Luke 17 it's talking about Judgment, the one taken is taken in Judgment, not in a "rapture".

And in Hebrews 9 it's talking about Christ's return, where the dead are raised, that's the salvation--the resurrection of the dead, for the Lord returns to Judge, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new.

The doctrine of "the rapture" as an event where Christians are taken out of the world and into heaven is never mentioned in the Bible. And it is completely unknown in the Christian Church throughout history--its is a theological invention of the 19th century believed by a very tiny minority of Christians who have adopted the peculiar ideas of John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. It became popular among American Evangelicals over the course of the 20th century through Dispensationalist schools and eventually popular books by a handful of influential Dispensationalist teachers.

What Christian believe is that the Lord Jesus will return in glory to judge, and when He does, the dead are raised (and the living Faithful will, with them, be transformed). Not to get beamed up into heaven to escape a period of tribulation; but rather when the Lord Jesus comes down here.

-CryptoLutheran
AND I NEVER use the word RAPTURE because there is not a Greek word called RAPTURE !!

And 1 Thess 4:17 says that all of those in the BODY of CHRIST , those that are LIVING ONES , the surviving ones will be

caught AWAY at the same time with them in CLOUDS for a MEETING of Lord into the AIR , and so we will at all times be

with the Lord .

Israel will always be on earth !!

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Imagine the joy that we would share. My victory in Christ, my Savior

Imagine if we let go of things that divide us. Our hearts would fill with joy and love for each other instead of the terrible contentions and divisions that quench the spirit. What an inspiration and example we would be for this lost world. We would truly glorify God this way and we would all be happy. But instead we must argue over man's theology and politics. There is a better way if you ask me. It's simplicity in Christ. It takes faith because you must trust God to teach you and lead you.

But are his commands really that hard to understand? No. It just takes time for us to repent sometimes. We try to justify our sin or manage it the best we can but there is victory in Christ and not this temporary defeat.

I'm one such success story. I was lost and bound to sin. I lost all hope in everything but God. I had no hope in myself or anyone. I ended up with depression induced psychosis because of my sin and how people treated me. I went through a few months of psychosis with no medicine and I thought I was a prophet because I thought my psychosis hallucinations were visions.

But after I got on meds I found out that I was free from lust. God gave me a new heart. One that had strength and resolve to resist temptation. I prayed earnestly for that. I felt alone and i needed to know that I had hope and that Jesus didn't forsake me. God answered my prayers.

The Church started in the wilderness

this is unsubstantiated accusations. I can just turn around and quote the same verses to you and claim you follow other gospel/traditions of men. it does not critically engage the topic, you just seem to want to point an accusatory finger but with no firm evidence to support your claim.
I disagree, because what I preach I do and it's written. On the other hand you are under the Roman Christianity doctrine. The word of God is given to the Israelites not the Gentiles or any other nation of people. The Hebrew Israelites the ones in captivity to this day is to teach the rest of the sons of Adam. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Let’s go into Romans 11: 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Paul says in Romans 9: 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

I understand this, but the Lord allow the Gentiles to run the earth and now they have tried to over take his word and that's a problem. Because they don't understand a lot of it, and have added and took away from it. But let’s go to Joel 3: 1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. 3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. 4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: 6 the children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

So in the near future the Lord (Jesus), at his second coming, will bring a very great war in the vally of Jehoshaphat or the Vally of Migiddo. But we also see in the past Israel was sold for merchandise or a medium of exchange during slavery. This is facts real uncut word of God.
Jesus did not say the seventh day was made for man he said the Sabbath was made for man. This is different as it applies to instruction because the 4th commandment is instructions for man in remembrance of the 7th day but the 7th day itself has no instructions for man and is action of God using "sabbath" as a verb, more properly ceasing his work of creation since it was complete. If you want to take a more abstract angle and speak of spiritual rest to say the 7th day points to giving us spiritual rest thus applies to man I would agree, but it defeats your argument of the universal commandment of the 4th day working outside it's covenant boundries.

Jesus calls himself the Lord of the Sabbath. This means he has authority over the Sabbath and one with authority gives and takes things as they wish. remember the 4th commandment, it is spoken to those with authority over the household with instruction to ensure everyone in the household keeps the sabbath including the servants and the animals. the thing with animals is that have no authority to rest and can only rest when they are given rest by one with authority. Jesus has the authority and he gives us rest, he however does not require the ceremony of rest that is the 4th commandment to receive it. He is the one that was there during the first sabbath, it is his to give and his to take away as he sees fit. This is what Lord of the Sabbath means. It's like someone caught trespassing on private land by a groundskeeper, the groundskeeper demands the trespassers be removed but then the owner comes out and says it's his land and he will decide who gets to stay or not then invites the people to stay. the groundskeeper is trying to follow a set of rules, he has no authority to do anything else, the owner however has the authority to invite whom he wants even if it doesn't formally follow a set of rules. He's the master, what he says is the rule.



the sabbath is indeed beyond physical rest and points to spiritual rest that can only be found in Christ. A spiritual focus with God through prayer, bible study, and fellowship with other believers is not a sabbath unique instruction, that is Christian living practice. for example, just read Acts 2:42-47

this seems like your Sabbath-day practice description, yet to the early church, this was observed daily. These communal-devotional characteristics you are connecting with are your typical once-a-week gathering tradition for the modern church. For yourself it's on the Sabbath which I assume is friday sundown to saturday sundown, to others it's on a sunday and still others on other days of the week. It would be a mistake to restrict spiritual devotion to one day of the week and it should be encouraged as unbroken daily practice. The 4th commandment does not give this sort of instruction that you are puffing it up to be, you seem to have introduced tradition into your idea of Sabbath and that is what you keep.
The book say in (Ex.31:16-17) (v.16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (v.17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. You see that the Sabbath day is a sign between God and His people forever. Israel was His people then and whoever chooses to obey Him now are His people. Let take a look those who choose to be with the lord and obey him. Let’s go into Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

There is no such thing is a Sabbath Sunday. That's adding to the word of God, can't do that! It's written in Rev. 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

Sure we all could accuse each other of giving in the to doctrines of Satan but doing that would be demeaning rhetoric, I'm not even sure why you think it would be appropriate to even say that here, it is incredibly hurtful language. rather than hollow accusations, critical engagement is far more appreciated.
I'm trying to get people in the kingdom of God and help people with this word of God. I know and understand it's hard to change. Don't be upset, please focus on what I'm saying and what the book is saying to do. I'm here to help not hurt. The book say in Revelation 18:
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

peace in Jesus name
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Dept. of Education Operating as Rogue ‘Sanctuary Program’ for Illegal Immigrants, Hiding Secrets from DOGE and Congress on Encrypted Apps

TPS. That means "TEMPORARY protected status." Joe upped the number to over a half a million from Haiti by last summer. It was 155,000 in 2021. Trump said during his campaign he would revoke the temporary status.
Obviously Trump does not understand that refugees are persecuted, desperate...
Like Cubans in 1956, Vietnamese in 1975. You would have to be heartless to deport them.
But I'm not surprised.
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Onward Christian Soldiers!

Christians can participate in wars and even in revolutions but I do not think that rises to the level of "holy war." If there was a severe persecution of Christians, then I do think it is just to defend yourself. There are varying ideas about this following scripture as well.

Luke 22:35-38 (ESV)
35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
37 For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.”
38 And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
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Elon Musk’s SpaceX Makes History by Launching Rocket from Florida, Landing Booster in Bahamas

Elon Musk’s SpaceX made history on Tuesday after launching a rocket into space from Florida and landing its Falcon 9 rocket booster in the Bahamas.

SpaceX’s rocket launch mission marked the first time a Falcon 9 landed on a drone ship off the coast of the Bahamas, according to a report by Fox 35 Orlando.

“Falcon 9 lands off the coast of The Bahamas for the first time! Welcome to space @VisitTheBahamas!” Musk’s company declared in a Tuesday X post, sharing video footage of the booster landing.
The Falcon 9’s first stage booster reportedly landed on the “Just Read the Instructions” droneship off the coast of Bahamas, in the Atlantic Ocean, nearly eight minutes after it blasted off from Cape Canaveral, Florida.

SpaceX reportedly said its Falcon 9 was able to maximize its performance by landing in the Bahamas after launching into a southeast trajectory from Florida.

The company further explained that launching toward the southeast allowed it to send additional satellites into orbit, as well as make it so that the rockets can launch human spaceflight missions to explore Earth, Fox 35 Orlando reported.

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Fulfill the law of Christ

Please don't tell someone that their pain or struggle doesn't matter. Don't compare yourself to them or anyone. We share our burdens and thus fulfill the law of Christ. If one member suffers everyone suffers with them. Don't tell them that your struggle is worse than theirs, just share love in the spirit with them from a humble and empathetic heart.

1 Thessalonians 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.

Galatians 6:2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.
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Pope Francis is 'fine,' condition not life-threatening, doctors say

From the papal update thread.

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Judge denies U.S. bishops’ request to block Trump funding freeze

A federal judge has denied a request from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to block a federal funding freeze that the bishops say will greatly harm refugee aid efforts in the United States.

The USCCB sued the Trump administration earlier this week over what the bishops said was an unlawful suspension of funding for refugee resettlement and aid programs. The suspension came via one of several executive orders President Donald Trump issued shortly after taking office.

The results of the suspension have been “devastating,” the bishops said, with the prelates reporting “millions of dollars in pending, unpaid reimbursements for services already rendered to refugees” along with “millions more each week.”

In their suit the bishops had asked for a temporary restraining order against the White House. In a decision on Thursday, U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden denied that request.

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He Has Done Marvelous Things!

Yes, we must be drawn to faith in Jesus Christ for any of us to believe in Jesus, but not all receive him, not all believe in him, and many reject this drawing and they turn their heads and hearts in the opposite direction. And this makes me think of that Scripture that says that many are called but few are chosen, for it is few who allow themselves to be drawn to Christ and who believe in him and who die with him to sin and now walk in obedience to his commands, by his grace. And I do think that the reference to "all people" is a definite statement that now the Gentiles would be included and not just the Jews, for previously it was only the Jews who had such a relationship with God.
So God should have said - I will draw all Jews not all people?
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