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Don't Fear What Evildoers Will Do

Psalms 37:1-2 ESV

“Fret not yourself because of evildoers;
be not envious of wrongdoers!
For they will soon fade like the grass
and wither like the green herb.”

Who are the evildoers? They are those who make it their practice to do evil. They are liars, adulterers, murderers, slanderers, idolaters, mischief makers, haters, tricksters, charlatans, the unfaithful, and the sexually immoral, etc. They are those who plot evil against others and who carry out their evil plans. So they are those who deliberately and habitually sin against God, who made them, and against their fellow humans, without conscience.

We don’t always know their evil plots, but sometimes we do, for sometimes we are recipients of those evil plots. And in most cases we have no influence and no control over what these evil people do and plot against us, especially if they are people in high up positions in governments and in the corporate world and even in church denominations. Yes, evildoers exist within the gatherings of what are called churches, too. And some of them are pastors.

So, we just commit our lives into the hands of God, and we trust in his sovereignty over our lives, and we believe that nothing will touch us unless God allows it for a purpose, and he will carry us through it. And we are definitely not to worry because worry is lack of faith, and worry never changes anything for the good, but it just destroys us from within. If God allows it to happen in our lives he will provide what we need to survive it.

Psalms 37:3-7 ESV

“Trust in the Lord, and do good;
dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness.
Delight yourself in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.
“Commit your way to the Lord;
trust in him, and he will act.
He will bring forth your righteousness as the light,
and your justice as the noonday.
“Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for him;
fret not yourself over the one who prospers in his way,
over the man who carries out evil devices!”

So, when Satan attacks our minds with all kinds of fearful thoughts, which he sometimes will, we must cast off those fearful thoughts and instead we must put our trust fully in the Lord Jesus. We have no control over what Satan does other than we can resist him, and we can take up the armor of God and fight against him and his evil plots against us. We can tell him “No!” and we can refuse to let him have his way with us.

And then we need to tell the Lord “Yes,” but not just with our lips but with our actions. Instead of giving way to Satan’s evil plots against us, we can put on faith and love, and we can walk in obedience to our Lord, and we can be faithful and live holy and godly lives in the power of God, by his Spirit. For Jesus already won this battle for us. We just have to live like we believe that. For we need to walk by faith and not by sight.

And we need to trust the Lord with our circumstances believing that he has our best in mind. And we have to remember here that he never promised us that life would be easy. In fact he promised us that we would be hated and persecuted as he was, and that we will have trials and tribulations to test our faith, but that these trials and persecutions are for our good to make us into the holy people God wants us to be.

Psalms 37:8-9 ESV

“Refrain from anger, and forsake wrath!
Fret not yourself; it tends only to evil.
For the evildoers shall be cut off,
but those who wait for the Lord shall inherit the land.”

I hate lies! Do you hate lies? I get angry about lies, but so does God. He hates lies, too. So is all anger wrong? No! We read in Ephesians 4 that we are to be angry and sin not, and that we are not to let the sun go down on our anger, and we are to give no opportunity to the devil. Jesus got angry at the money changers in the temple. But that was righteous indignation. We should get angry over the things that anger God.

But we are not to sin in our anger. Anger should be used as a motivator to move us to do what is good. Or it should be used as a motivator to look into our own hearts to examine them to find out why we are angry, for some anger is sinful. Some people are angry people because their hearts are filled with bitterness, unforgiveness, pride, envy, hatred, lust, and greed. They don’t get their way and so they get angry and they lash out in hate.

In James 1 we read that we are to be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger, for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. But this is not speaking of all anger, for God gets angry, and Jesus got angry, and we are not to sin in our anger, so not all anger is sin. It is the anger of man which comes from human flesh, and not from hearts grieved over all the wickedness in the world, which does not produce righteousness.

And the context helps us understand this, too, for in James 1 it continues by saying that we are to put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save our souls. So clearly the anger here is not righteous anger over the things God gets angry over but it is anger produced in the human flesh of those who are living in filthiness and in rampant wickedness, and that is wrong.

So, if you are angry over all the sin going on inside the gatherings of the church, which is being given full reign at times, it appears, that is a healthy anger, but don’t let it lead to sin. Give it over to the Lord and let him direct it in a good way. For, we are to grieve over all the rampant sin going on within the church today. But if you are angry because you didn’t get your own way, then that is the kind of anger you need to cast off.

And, again, we are not to fret and fear and worry over what evildoers are doing or plotting. But we are to commit our lives and our future into the hands of God and trust him to work it all out for our good. But again, that doesn’t mean that evil won’t be done to us. It will. But we have to keep trusting the Lord that he has a plan and a purpose for it all and then we need to rest in him and commit our ways to him.

[Matt 5:10-12; Matt 10:16-25; Matt 24:9-14; Lu 6:22-23; Lu 21:12-19; Jn 15:1-21; Jn 16:33; Jn 17:14; Ac 14:22; Rom 5:3-5; Phil 3:7-11; 1 Pet 1:6-7; 1 Pet 4:12-17; 2 Tim 3:12; 1 Thess 3:1-5; Jas 1:2-4; 2 Co 1:3-11; Heb 12:3-12; 1 Jn 3:13]

‘Til The Storm Passes By

By Thomas Mosie Lister

In the dark of the midnight have I oft hid my face
While the storm howls above me, and there's no hiding place
'Mid the crash of the thunder, Precious Lord, hear my cry
Keep me safe till the storm passes by

Many times Satan whispered
There is no use to try
For there's no end of sorrow, there's no hope by and by
But I know Thou art with me, and tomorrow I'll rise
Where the storms never darken the skies

Till the storm passes over, till the thunder sounds no more
Till the clouds roll forever from the sky
Hold me fast, let me stand in the hollow of Thy hand
Keep me safe till the storm passes by

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Should the string theory be put aside?

The "theory of everything" unifying general relativity and quantum mechanics has not been discovered yet. This means that we cannot say that string theory has "failed" and we cannot yet judge how useful or practical it is.

All we know for now is that it has cooled in popularity among physicists in recent years. Science is based on evidence, data and analysis and not on how popular an idea is.
It never will be. The quest always was a fools errand of scientism, based on a philosophical misunderstanding of what science can tell you.

Many failed to see what was staring them in the face.

The question “ is” an electron a wave or a particle , is proof of the misunderstanding,
The answer is ontologically it “ is“neither since wave, particle or probability wave are just math models of observation, as are all our models - they are emperiological, not fundamental. Ineeed “ electron” is just a model.

Hawking In his last book finally got it , when he refers to his concept of “model dependent reality” in which there are multiple models which can conflict . so neither is an underpinning. Goodbye theory ot everything.

But then Einstein answered this decades before when he referred to the philodophical watch as analogy to the universe, in which the externals of the watch are observable , but nobody can other than guess at what is inside, and , even if their guess model matches externals, they cannot claim the model is “ right” or “ unique“ and therefore not universal . That is An admission there can be no theory of everything. An admission science is emperiological Not ontological.

Kant hit the nail on the head a century before when went further stating that all we can see is phenomena , the underlying noumena are unknowable not least because our senses are limited.

So That is where string theory was always bound to fail.
You have observations in 3 dimensiins so 3 equations in 11 dimension unknowns . Since we cannot observe other dimensions the model is a waste of time. The special cases reduce to what we already know. No value added.

All of physics is just a model. Not ontological or fundamental, although everywhere it is useful, in fact arguably man’s greatest achievement, but Some places it works better Than others.
So creating models like string theory which can never be useful ( too many unknowns) ,always was for the birds!

nowhere are the models an ontological reality. And there can never be a theory of everything. We cannot sense “ everything,“we have a limited portal on the universe, trapped in sensory limits.

I really do wish schoolkids and many scientists were forced to study philosophy of science.
with any tool you have to know it’s limitations.
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Pray for a Parishioner's mother - Dorothea M.

Our Father in heaven,

We bring sister Dorothea before You Lord in prayer. Bless her Lord with Your healing hands that she may be in good health. Open doors of opportunity for her Lord that she may be able to find the best healthcare provider to support her needs. Lastly we uphold her entire family to You Lord. May Your grace be upon them.

We ask this in the name of Lord Jesus, Amen.
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Orthodox Loyalists

I was part of a parish in Russia for nearly twenty years, conscious that my very presence was a denial that Orthodoxy was “a Russian thing”, of the essential connection some seek between their nation and their faith. It was an assertion that the Faith is for everybody, regardless of national origin.

Ultimately that denial/assertion didn’t add up to much. The ”nationalists” won, leading quickly to a state of affairs that led me to feel forced to leave the country.

Patriotism is a good thing. But when people try to fuse it with the Faith they go off in ugly directions. While it was in reaction to our own foreign policy, run by our neocons, leading to the Ukraine war, that fusion led to the rehabilitation of Lenin and Stalin, of Orthodox people nostalgizing for either the USSR or the Russian Empire, and we have even seen efforts to effectively canonize Stalin and get his image in icons (in a positive light).

I have distanced myself from the Russian Church; things said and done by its leadership, its Patriarch, bishops and priests, sicken me. I am ostensibly in the Serbian Church now, but don’t feel very much a part of it. So much has gone to the dogs over the past five years. I’ve withdrawn more into myself (not a good thing) and keep wishing there was a fast-forward button on my life.

As a result I’m navigating the shoals of immigration to another land that does not welcome immigrants, and wishing to God I didn’t have to. I have some critical moments ahead, and crave your prayers.

It’s clear to me that we can’t hold the two on the same level, that while we are right to love our nation, our patriotism should always be tempered by the fact that it is the love of a passing thing, a kingdom of this world, and we should never conflate it with our desire for the Kingdom of Heaven.
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USCIRF report: State Department rebuking religious freedom violators rarely changes policy

The United States Department of State (DOS) routinely issues condemnations of countries that fail to uphold religious freedom — but those harsh words are rarely followed by actions that lead to policy changes in those foreign governments, according to an analysis published this month.

After the United States adopted the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, the DOS has issued regular reports that designate “countries of particular concern” (CPCs). The designation is reserved for countries with “systematic, ongoing, and egregious” violations of religious liberty, such as torture and other other types of inhumane treatment, prolonged detentions, abductions and disappearances, and other flagrant denials of life, liberty, or security of persons.

Although the legislation requires the president to either sanction or take other actions against a country designated as a CPC, all five presidents since 1998 have found workarounds to avoid taking new action against most countries that are added to the list.

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Oklahoma Bishop Emeritus Slattery, ‘man of deep faith,’ passes away at 84

Bishop Edward Slattery
Bishop Emeritus Edward Slattery of the Diocese of Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma, passed away at age 84 on Friday, Sept. 13, 2024. | Credit: Diocese of Tulsa

Edward Slattery, the bishop emeritus of the Diocese of Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma, passed away at age 84 on Friday following a series of debilitating strokes, diocesan officials said.

“Bishop Slattery was a man of deep faith who knew that death would bring him to his Lord,” Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma Bishop David Konderla said in a Saturday statement. “I was blessed to follow in his footsteps in the diocese and will remember him with fondness and prayer.”

Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Peter Wells, who grew up in Oklahoma and was ordained a priest in the Diocese of Tulsa in 1991, shared that he was “deeply saddened” by Slattery’s passing.

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I listened on Friday to the outstanding homily he gave a few years ago at the National Basilica. It's well worth finding. Fr Z clued me in and advised that Slattery was on death's door and could use some prayers.
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Howdy All!

I also got quite an education regarding the charismatics and certain cults and I went to the Philippines for a couple of weeks and met the lady who is now my wife!

Nice testimony, AA!

We weren't saved at the time we were there, so we never went to church.

There was a St John's Episcopal School on Marine Drive that let the Chamorro Chess Club meet though.

Anyway, if you ever go back, go to Pizza Hut and get a Portuguese sausage pizza!

Talk about good! :oldthumbsup:
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For If We Go On Sinning Deliberately

Your post of September 9 about if we go on sinning deliberately. I have sinned deliberately, many times. I want to repent, but I fear I have crossed the line and Christ will not forgive.
God will forgive anyone who wants to be forgiven.
With that want, however, there must be an intent not to sin ever again.
Peter put it together nicely in Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
First, a turn from sinning.
Second, the washing by the blood of Christ of all past sins.
Third, the equipping, by God, to prevail over future temptations.

Don't waste another minute thinking God will not have mercy on you !
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prayer for lanzhou

中国和非洲合作会议期间,很多非洲穆斯林来到北京海淀清真寺参加周五的崇拜。我个人也可以参加在清真寺的崇拜。Allah(词根接近亚兰和希伯来的El) 这个词也被阿拉伯和东南亚基督教采用为指代最高神。 但是伊斯兰意义的Allah是否是圣经意义的Elohim, 阿拉伯基督教仍有争议。犹太教和伊斯兰教的交流比基督教和伊斯兰教的交流更深入。

During the China Africa Cooperation Conference, many African Muslims came to the Haidian Mosque in Beijing to attend Friday worship(Zumar). I personally can also participate in worship at the mosque. The word Allah (whose root is similar to El in Aramaic and Hebrew) is also used by Arab and Southeast Asian Christianity to refer to the highest God. However, there is still controversy over whether the Islamic meaning of Allah is the biblical meaning of Elohim in Arab Christianity. The exchange between Judaism and Islam is deeper than that between Christianity and Islam.

图为北京海淀清真寺
The picture shows the Haidian Mosque in Beijing

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And my girlfriend and I are both Huichu(Chinese with Middle Eastern blood lineage and culture). She has no religion but can take part in the activities of Christianity、Judaism、Islam、Buddhism、Taoism etc with me. She has freedom to choose the way.
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New Catholic dating site hopes to ‘rewire the way we think about dating’

Well, something's gotta be done. Good virtuous Catholic young women and good virtuous Catholic young men can't seem to find each other anymore. I know there are some of each out there.
Check out this idea from Japan:

In Tokyo, officials observed that traditional Japanese culture doesn’t accommodate out-of-wedlock births. They concluded that the first necessary step is to boost the marriage rate, which has also collapsed by more than half since the 1970s. Their solution: a dating app, run by the city, to encourage pair-ups. Authorities have already invested more than $2 million in technology development, and the app is scheduled to debut as early as this summer. Initial feedback to the idea itself is positive; one poll by major daily Asahi Shimbun found 54 percent of the public in support, compared to 36 percent opposed. Among women in their thirties, more than 80 percent were fans of the concept.​
The rules do have an odd attraction to them, at least for weary refugees from the likes of OKCupid. Users reportedly must pay a fee, submit legal documentation to prove they are single, and sign a letter declaring their interest in getting married. They also have to complete an interview to further verify their identity as a safe, serious, and dateable person. Needless to say, this new platform is unlikely to be overrun by unwanted pornography, under the watchful eye of the city fathers. . .​
(I excised the author's pessimism about this approach, which I don't really share.)
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Is "elohim" singular or plural?

Thanks. This is quite helpful. To further the discussion, when Yahweh Elohim appears in the prophets or elsewhere, can it possibly be rendered as the "Lord of gods"?

I'm hardly an expert. But based on what little I know, I don't think that it can. The Tetragrammaton doesn't mean "Lord". We render YHWH as "The LORD" due to an ancient tradition that goes back to Second Temple Judaism, where it was common to substitute the Tetragrammaton with the Hebrew word for "lord", which is adonai. When the translators of the LXX rendered the Tetragrammaton into Greek, they used the Greek translation of adonai, which was kyrios. This practice is seen, also, in the New Testament; in large part because the NT quotes the LXX, even verbatim. Since the earliest Christians relied on the LXX as their Old Testament, when the Scriptures were translated into other languages, such as Latin, this same thing was retained. So the Vulgate uses dominus.

In the late Middle Ages we see a re-introduction of the Tetragrammaton. Through what was probably a scholarly mistake. In the 10th century AD the Masoretic sages who were part of the move to revitalize Hebrew among the Jewish Diaspora and reading of the Tanakh in Hebrew (since the time of Jesus it had been common to read the Tanakh in Aramaic translation among both Palestinian Jews and Diaspora Jews). In order to facilitate this the Masoretes created a system of vowel markers to aid reading of Hebrew, called niqqud. One of the unique facets of the Masoretic Text which they produced is that it includes the niqqud for ease of reading, but they intentionally used the niqqud for "Adonai" in the Tetragrammaton, to indicate to the reader to say "Adonai" rather than pronounce the Divine Name.

When we take YHVH (or YHWH) and add the vowels of Adonai we get YaHoVaH. As a result we get the Latinized Iahovah/Iehovah. Take the consonontal 'i' and give it a tail and we get the letter 'J', so Iehovah -> Jehovah. So we get "Jehovah" occasionally in some early modern Bibles, but more commonly English language translations stick with the traditional usage of using "lord" as a substitute. The KJV, relying on the Masoretic Text, the LXX, the Vulgate, and the critical Greek texts of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Bezae fundamentally set the standard in English Bibles. When the Tetragrammaton appears, the KJV type-faced it as "The LORD"; alternatively where the Tetragrammaton appears alongside Adonai, the KJV chose to type-face it as "GOD" as in "The Lord GOD". Though the KJV on a couple occasions does use the Latinized corrupted form of the Tetragrammaton, "Jehovah", but it is sparsely used.

As for what the four letter Name of God means, I don't think there is anything resembling a conclusive answer. But the most popular theory is that the Name is taken from the same tri-consonontal root as the Hebrew verb hayeh (H-Y-H) "to be" or "I am". As in where God says to Moses in the burning bush, "I am that I am" as the answer to Moses' question of what God's name is, who God is. In other words it's theorized that the four letter Name of God means something like "The one that is" or "He is". God says "I am" and so His Name is "He is".

As far as I'm aware (which, take that with a huge grain of salt) to get something like "lord of the gods" would require some kind of construction involving the word Adonai, or another Hebrew word that could mean "lord", the only other suitable Hebrew word I know of would be ba'al. The problem with ba'al, of course is that while it does infrequently get used in reference to God, and it is used generically to mean something like "sir" in reference to human beings, the word ba'al is pretty infamous for its common usage among Canaanite and other Levantine pagan gods. The various "ba'als" which the the Israelites were constantly being rebuked for worshiping instead of God.

Another question: Is there a collective singular in Hebrew? (I gave an example in British English of "city have" which in American English would be "city has" - a plurality of people in city rendered a collective singular. If so, could in Gen. 1:1 the same apply grammatically in Hebrew to elohim bara? I am looking at the possibilities, not being well-versed in Hebrew.

When it comes to Hebrew I'm really only good for regurgitating what I've read from people way smarter than myself. I don't know if Hebrew has collective singular nouns.

-CryptoLutheran
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Under The Radar: Staying Hidden (Left Behind Series Fanfic#4)

It’s time for the fourth volume. Once again, I don’t own the Left Behind series or any of the canon characters. All rights go to Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins. I only own my OC’s. Hope you enjoy.

Prologue

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When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius,and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine.
Revelation 6:5-6

Major takeaways from the first Harris, Trump debate

Yes. She lied, and lied, and lied.

In case you haven't yet seen this:


Thanks for the article.

Why am I not surprised?

SMH
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Translate Yahweh Elohim

Genesis 2:


LORD
יְהוָ֥ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

God
אֱלֹהִ֖ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

made
עֲשׂ֛וֹת (‘ă·śō·wṯ)
Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 6213: To do, make

The sequence <H3068 H430> (more precisely יהוה אלהים) appears 1157 times in the OT. It is one noun followed by another in apposition. This grammatical side-by-side formation refers to the same entity. Both words are in the absolute state, not the construct state. On Biblehub, 27 used "LORD God"; 2 "Lord God"; 2 "Yehweh God"; 3 "Jehovah God". None used "Lord of gods". Translating יהוה אלהים as "Lord of gods" would be wrong because it is not a genitive construct state. It is an apposition.
'YHWH Elohim' semantically is a full combination of the proper name (YHWH) + title/function (Elohim).

It's the exact same construct as e.g. 'Yeshua Hamashiach' / 'Jesus Christ'.

The first word is the name/identity - the second word their title/function/position.
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