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What do you think about video game remakes in general?

Although something I was unaware of is the use of community-made pc ports. With certain mods, including HD texture packs, maybe things can be tweaked more to a gamers liking. And one of the cool things is that gaming consoles will be more like hybrids of console and PC in the future
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About history, ethnic/race relations and the Church.

In Australia, the comparable issue is about reconciliation between Indigenous and non-Indigenous folks. My observation is that we are, as a church, so far at least trying to be good at talking the talk, trying less to be good at solid concrete action.

But I would push back, slighly, on the idea that you don't need money to do things like challenge racism. I've seen successful programmes aimed at challenging sexism, and sure, you need the Spirit to be at work to make that happen, but it seems to help if you have resources; teaching resources, small group resources, paid staff who can run workshops and do research and so on. Money can definitely help.
It is vast sums as direct compensation straight to the descendents of the victims I am a bit more cautious about.

Anything that conveys information and supports stronger community cohesion gets my vote, that is usually cost effective stuff.
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I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus....

Peace in Christ.

We hear the Word of God preached in the truth and receive it as such.

This is the imperishable Seed that keeps us imperishable in this age as we shall not mortally die but shall have an age-lasting life for this current age.

We receive the true Word of God…the Word of Truth…and believe in Him who preaches it. We hear His voice and retain that imperishable Seed in our hearts which effectually works in those that believe.

It keeps us “living and remaining” INTO THE AGE.

1st Peter 1:23:
being begotten again, not out of seed perishable, but imperishable, through the word of God -- living and remaining -- into the age;

The “word of men” on the other hand is the preaching of the Word of God in error. It is the “perishable seed” that many are keeping.

The man-based churches are all preaching in error….wresting the Scriptures to their own mortal destruction. Their “private interpretations” of the Scriptures is NOT saving the flesh of any one who retains their “seed” in their hearts. MANY are mortally perishing by the receiving of the word of men…the perishable seed.

No flesh is being saved in any man-based church (which is organized by their church handwritings: statements of faith, church constitutions and by-laws, creeds, etc).

1Th 2:13-14 KJV
(13) For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

They…the man-based churches….organized religion (which is structured upon man’s handwritings of ordinances/dogmas)… will NOT BELIEVE in what they hear Him preaching…His interpretation of the Scripture of Truth.

Our own “countrymen” will persecute us for believing His interpretation of the Scripture of Truth over their “private” erroneous interpretation of the Scriptures.

(14) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

We shall be persecuted by members of our own “household”…our own church that we attended. A man’s foes shall be THEY of his OWN HOUSEHOLD.

Mat 10:36-40
(36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

But we are to love Him who speaks to us the Word of Truth more than they of our own church family who are preaching things in error of the understanding of the Scriptures and will not believe in the Word of Truth when they will hear it. If we love our pastor ("father or mother") more than Him, we are not worthy of Him. The church leader who loves his congregation more than Him is not worthy of Him.

(37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

In this context, we are take up our cross….our stake…and follow after Him. We are to pull up our stakes in the man-based churches and follow after Him who leads us out of them. We are no longer to be fixed in them but leave it all behind and follow Him out of the man-based churches who are living in error of the Truth.

What does a believer (of the Word of Truth) have in common with the unbelievers (who will not believe in the Word of Truth and will seek to keep their man-based church teachings and commandments of men).?

(38) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

We are to lose our life…that is, soul….for His sake.

We are to lose what we had once thought and cherished (the man-based church ways and thoughts) in order to gain the excellency of the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(39) He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Isn’t that what Saul/ Paul did?

Php 3:6-10 KJV
(6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

The religious things that he once was very zealous for …the things that he had thought were gain…he counted as a loss for Christ. He did lose his soul in order to gain it.

(7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

He counted all those previous religious things as a loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus our Lord. He suffered the loss of all those things and did count them as dung so that he may win Christ.

We are to do the same.

(8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Saul/Paul did not go about defending his own “righteousness” which for Paul was of the Law.

We also must not be found of Him trying to defend our own works of righteousness which is mandated by our church denominational handwritings of ordinances/dogmas that we once held onto as “truth”.

We are to count all of the man-based church things as a loss….losing one’s soul..by the faith of Christ…believing in what He says. His knowledge that we hear is Truth while the man-based church “truth” is false.

(9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
(10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


If the “world”…the orderly arrangement of the man-based churches…organized religion…hates you, know that it hated Him before it hated you. The “religious” people persecuted Him back in the day…and the same things will happen to us today when we believe Him over them.

Joh 15:18-21 KJV
(18) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

He chooses us out of the world…the orderly arrangement of the man-based churches. We come out from among them….pulling up our stake in them and follow Him out of them. It is expedient that we go away from them….following Him out. The world….the orderly arrangement of the man-based churches…will hate us for it.

Those who will not pull up their stakes out of them and follow Him out of them are not worthy of Him.

(19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

They will hate us and persecute us for believing in Him as we hear His Word and keep it.

(20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

We know God by having love. Those who do not show love do not know God for God is love.

(21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

But we overcome them. We come out from among them and be separate.

1Jn 4-8 KJV
(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

They that are of the world…the orderly arrangement of the man-based churches…speak of the world and the world hears them. The unbelievers (of the Word of Truth) in the man-based churches will continue listening to their church leaders who preach from the spirit of error.

(5) They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

They will not hear the Word of Truth preached in the Spirit of Truth but will continue to listen to their false prophets and follow after their false teachers who will teach and lead by example in doing evil towards those who will believe in what they hear the true Christ preaching. We know God when we keep His commandment to have love fore one another. Love is of God and every one that loves is born of God. Those who are born of God will hear and believe the Spirit of Truth when they will hear it.

(6) We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The unbelievers will not show love towards one who will preach the Word of Truth. They will not be of God because they will not show love towards the brothers who will come preaching the Word in the Spirit of Truth to their hearing ears.

(7) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
(8) He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

But those who are born of God will show love towards the brothers who come preaching the Word of Truth to them. They will not sin….speak evil of them.

Those who will commit sin…doing unrighteousness against what they hear Him saying and those brothers sent to preach His words…are the children of the devil.

1Jn 3:7-10 KJV
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

The Son of God comes to give them an understanding of the Scriptures…and they react with evil words and deeds in their unbelief of what they hear Him preaching. They that commit sin is of the devil as they will not do righteousness towards Him. They will choose what He does not delight in. The wicked ...the tares...will reveal themselves as they will hear the Word of Truth and will behave badly towards it.

(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

But whosoever is born of God will not commit sin for His Seed (the Word of Truth) REMAINS in him. The believers will hear and retain it and will do well towards it. He cannot sin against the Truth because he is born of God.

(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

God Hates Lies

Psalm 5:4-6 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)

4For You are not a God who delights in wickedness;
no evil can dwell with You.
5The boastful cannot stand in Your presence;
You hate all workers of iniquity.
6You destroy those who tell lies;
the LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.

God Delights NOT in Wickedness

In so many of today’s modern market-driven institutional “churches,” partnered with the world and with the state (the government), they are teaching a diluted and altered gospel message which is giving sinners the freedom to keep on in their habitual and deliberate sins against God and against other humans. Many of them are welcoming into their gatherings those that outwardly display sinful acts, and they are embracing them, and they are not confronting them in their sin nor calling them to repentance.

Although Jesus had compassion on sinners, and he loved them, he never approved of their sin, but he called them to repentance and to obedience to God. Some who were repentant he told them, “Go and sin no more.” And with regard to the religious leaders in the temple who were hypocritical liars, who did not obey God, he had some strong words for them. And Jesus’ message to all is that to come to him we must deny self, die to sin, and obey his commands, as a matter of life practice, if we want eternal life with him.

If Jesus was still living in a human body, and if he was still on this earth, he would be overturning tables and chairs in these market-driven institutional “churches,” and he would be using a whip to drive out all who were teaching lies to the people, and who were embracing sin, and who were welcoming sinful acts into the gatherings of “the church.” And he would be telling the people to come out from among them who teach lies and who embrace sin lest they take part in their sin and become partners with them in sin. See:

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

God Hates Lies

We who believe in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of our lives, who have denied self, died with him to sin, and who are presently walking (in conduct, in practice) in obedience to his commands, and no longer as slaves to sin, should hate what God hates and love what God loves. Now we are not to hate other humans. We are to love all people. But love is preferring what God prefers, choosing his choices, and obeying them in practice. So if we love people, we will tell them the truth about what God will not approve.

We should be those who call out the lies, who expose the lies for what they are, and who are proclaiming the truth of God’s word to the people. We should be telling the people that God requires of all who believe in him that we deny self, that we turn from our sin, and that we now obey our Lord and his commands in practice. But this will not make us popular. This will not make us well liked among the people who are following after the lies and the liars. We may, in fact, lose many friends when we speak truth and not lies.

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

See: [Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 12:1-2; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; 2 Corinthians 5:10,15,21; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:1-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

God Hates Lies
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Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Who is worse; Donald Trump or Boris Johnson?

Boris might have stuffed up the UK with Brexit, but Trump is not satisfied with only stuffing up his own country.

Between the tariffs, the war in the Middle East, the withdrawal from its commitments to the international community and the rejection of traditional US alliances and overturning of decades long friendly political, cultural, economic and military relationships Mr Trump and the current administration are thoroughly borking not just themselves but the rest of the world as well.
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Nuclear deal with USA and Saudi Arabia

The Iranian end time scenario (Twelver Shi'ite eschatology - Mahdism) involves the obliteration of Israel and a full - scale attack on Jerusalem. This eschatology is being actively and violently pursued by the Iranian regime. The possession of nukes simply adds scale to the ongoing conflict.
I get it... End-times theologies are bad. I agree.
The Saudi Royal Family have distanced themselves from pure Wahabism recently and take a more secular nationalistic approach. But at root they hold that Jesus will return to wage war against the Anti-Christ and ultimately the Mahdi will return and make all things right. There is a violent element in the Saudi theology also but it is not as extreme as that of Iran and it waits for the appropriate leader to arrive rather than proactively trying to preempt that like the Iranians are doing - the reason in fact for much of the instability in the region in the last decades.

Christian eschatology talks about the return of Jews to Israel and a general conversion to the Messiah, it asks for evangelism and faith on believers parts not proactive aggression to see Gods objectives achieved. So nothing like either Iran or Saudi Arabia.
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Is it lack of sin or love kindness and mercy

John chapter 7 verse 19
Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?”
Galatians chapter 6 verses 13
Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
2 chronicles chapter 6 verse 36
“When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to the enemy, who takes them captive to a land far away or near;
1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46
“When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near;
Ecclesiastes chapter 7 verse 20
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins.
James chapter 2 verse 10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
(Some would say)
Hebrews chapter 10 verse 26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
Matthew chapter 9 verse 13
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Galatians chapter 5 verse 4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
(here is how to be justified)
James chapter 2 verse 13
because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Proverbs chapter 11 verse 17
Those who are kind benefit themselves, but the cruel bring ruin on themselves.
Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.
Love excludes sin, fulfilling the law by its nature regardless of whether or not we’ve even heard the law. This is why John can also tell us, in his letters, that those who continue in sin and who don’t love don’t even know God.

We’ll continue to struggle against sin until we’re “perfected in love”-not fully possible until the next life, presumably-but the mark of a true follower is love nonetheless, resulting in righteousness, or we’re not one of His after all.
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Starship 13 T-00:30:00

Looks like both booster and starship came back to earth with a hard landing. I believe they are going to attempt to catch both booster and ship portions for Starship 14 sometimes this fall.

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The starship had a soft landing as evidenced by the absence of an explosion and the obvious intact condition.

I agree that catch attempts will be tried before year end. However, no attempt will be made to catch the booster on the next launch, given the anomalies in engine firing during the landing burn. There is no obvious publicly available information that would preclude that the next launch be orbital, with a subsequent catch of starship.
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Seventeenth Sunday in Ordinary Time (Cycle A) (OF)

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Seventeenth Sunday in Ordinary Time readings & commentary

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Ninth Sunday After Pentecost (EF)

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Our Morning Offering – 26 July – Nunc, Sancte, nobis Spiritus By St Ambrose

Daily Quote..."Blessed, thrice blessed art thou, O Saint Anne, who didst receive from God and bring forth the blessed child from whom proceeded Christ, the Flower of life! - St. John Damascene

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Does The Scientific Method disprove the Christian Faith?

I’ll stop there. I grew tired of chasing the inanity in this response. If there is a specific argument buried in it that you want addressed, make it clear. Otherwise, I am done.
I think you critiqued @Hans Blaster for his careless reading of one or more of your comments. You might wish to put your own house in order. It is patently obvious that you have failed to understand that to Hans and, I suggest, to most scientists, a scientific discussion is one held between scientists about a scientific topic, in a scientific manner It does not involve non-scientists. Scientific discussions do not occur on Christian Forums. Discussions about science do. Those can readily involve mention of gods. On this forum their inclusion is almost mandatory. Hans' position that gods are not necessary for the practice of science remains accurate.
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Please Don't Kill Yourself - Spoken Word - Evangelist Clayton Jennings

My pastor always said don’t get frustrated. I think it really applies. Extends the patience out a bit. But if nothing works. I understand that scream, end of rope. No slack. God can intervene. I hope He does. A 22 year old jumped off an overpass here last week. Must have been frustration. Im frustrated just thinking about it. Jesus is the way onward to a new life. Only a few use that way. And this is what our youth are doing to themselves.
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Women Are Choosing Ai Relationships

It's like writing a story about yourself in a relationship with the person of your dreams. It can be fun and if it fullfills a need of someone, I'm not going to judge them or try to convince them that they should stop enjoying themselves. But it's not terribly impressive, either.
Any “invention” that allows people to lie to themselves more convincingly, is going to be a hit, until it’s not.
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Jesus was born on July 27, 7 BCE. Merry Christmas!

June 14-21, 8 BC = JD 1,718,666-73.​

While burning incense before God in the Holy Place of the Temple, Zacharias is visited by Gabriel, who promises him the birth of a son that will be “filled with the Holy Spirit…in the spirit and power of Elijah…” Lk. 1:5f. This week of June 14-21, 8 BC, was the period when Zacharias’ “course of Abijah” served in the Temple. Lk. 1:5

The likely date for this event was June 15, a Sunday, the true day of Pentecost in 8 BC. Zacharias’ service in the Temple ended on Saturday morning, June 21. If his home was any distance from Jerusalem, he would not have begun his journey there before the morning of June 22, because it was unlawful to journey on the Sabbath. The Summer solstice began on the evening of June 24, two days after the Full Moon: a reasonable conjecture for the date of John’s conception.

The service of the Levitical priesthood in the Temple had been divided into 24 courses by King David. 1 Chr. 24:3f. Josephus recorded that each course served for one week. Ant. Vil:xiv:7 The Mishna says that each course began at the evening sacrifice of a Sabbath, and ended at the morning sacrifice of the following Sabbath; in this case, evening June 14 to morning June 21. m. Sukka 5:8; m. Tamid 5:1

This week in 8 BC of the course of Abijah is determined from biblical and extra-biblical sources. Jesus was born on the Autumn equinox, September 25, 7 BC. Mary’s conception of Him took place about or exactly six months after Elizabeth’s conception of John; see below. Therefore, Jesus was born about or exactly 6 + 9 = 15 months after John was conceived, meaning that John was conceived near or on the Summer solstice of 8 BC.

According to Seder ’Olam Rabbah 30:86-97, “Rabbi Yose [ben Halafta; ca. 150 AD] used to say… When the temple was destroyed, the first time, that day was immediately after the Sabbath, it was immediately after the Sabbatical year, it was (during the service of) the priestly division of Jehoiarib, and it was the ninth day of Ab; and so the second time (the temple was destroyed).”1

The priestly division of Jehoiarib was the first course. 1 Chr. 24:7 The ninth of Ab (fifth month) in 70 AD, the year the Second Temple was destroyed, fell on Sunday, August 5. Therefore, the course of Jehoiarib began on Saturday, August 4. If the Temple hadn’t been destroyed, the course of Abijah, the eighth course (1 Chr. 24:10), would have begun seven weeks later, therefore on September 22, 70.

The full cycle of 24 courses lasted 7 days x 24 = 168 days. Precisely 168 cycles of 168 days each before September 22, 70 AD was the day June 14, 8 BC, when Zacharias’ course of Abijah commenced.

132. The Chronology of the New Testament, Part 1: Jesus and John the Baptist, Conceptions to Callings https://www.worthychristianforums.c...and-john-the-baptist-conceptions-to-callings/
I can't agree with your 8 BCE conclusion—I think it contradicts other evidence concerning the Nativity—but I commend you for at least calculating the dates correctly. Few ever do. Although, there is compelling evidence to suggest that August 4th isn't the correct date for the temple's destruction, which necessarily affects how the dates extrapolate backward.

The Course of Abijah and the Second Temple
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