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Former DACA recipient with violent criminal past flees ICE, tries balcony jump during Chicago arrest

Garcia’s criminal record includes arrests and convictions for felony strangulation, domestic battery, disorderly conduct, battery causing bodily injury, aggravated battery against a handicapped or pregnant woman and unlawful use of a firearm.

Fortunately activists did not stop his arrest.

Can these kinds of people be trusted?

They don't necessarily talk bad about someone (though I don't know them enough to say this), but they're ALWAYS mentioning someone's name in practically every other sentence.

I once had a Christian friend who talked like this, it was only when I caught her out in lie that I dropped her like a ton of bricks.
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Is there a Biblical mandate on what the role of government should be?

Most people have the same opp to employment opps. Some just aren't gifted, interested, etc in what it takes to be a lawyer over a school teacher. There are already those things in general. Manpower is one example. Sadly now days, some don't actually want to work, but still give me money, is their attitude. That's not how God wants it to be. I'm not referring to those who may have a physical condition that limits their ability, that's for another post. The majority of those who don't want to work though they physically can, if they struggle, that is their problem. I don't feel bad for them really since they are capable, but just lazy.
I think you should review research that still shows there is discrimination. "The researchers assigned each employer a grade based on how often they responded to fake job applications submitted by presumably white candidates compared to how often presumably Black candidates received a response. The most discriminatory companies called presumably white candidates back 24% more often." It has long been known that "whitening" a resume will typically get you more interviews. It is easy to send out resumes and just change the names, and see the bias in who is selected for interviews. Even in liberal cities this has been found to be true from multiple researchers.

I admit America tries to give equality in opportunity, not equality in income, which I believe is correct. The one area that fails the test though is access to the best private schools, and often even public school districts in poor areas are funded worse than those in rich districts even after states try to equalize this. School vouchers would help this some. But often poor students still may not have the resources to travel to the better schools located in suburbs, or they are on the outside looking in because those areas may have a different school district.

I am balanced too and will suggest there are some forms of discrimination of whites. I can say that because I have lived in a place in the USA where whites were a very small minority. Affirmative action too is still practiced. Both are understandable. Discrimination too comes in other ways, such as appearances. Age and sex often matter as well. I have seen God's hand in hiring several times. I think the best attitude is to trust God and rarely feel one is victim.
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We Will Serve The Lord

Today I am reading in the book of Joshua, chapter 24, taken from the Old Testament. Joshua was speaking here to the children of Israel, and he was giving them the words of the Lord. And much of this is a rendering of historical events, beginning with Abraham, all the way through to the Israelites entering into the land God had promised them. And, although this is Old Testament, there is still something we can learn from it, for it speaks, in character, some of the same truths as are in the New Testament.

God’s people Israel (Jew only at that time) were being held captive in slavery in Egypt for a very long time. So God sent his servants Moses and Aaron to rescue his people from slavery in Egypt. And God plagued Egypt by what he did in its midst, and afterward he brought his people out of Egypt. And they lived in the wilderness for a long time. But not all of the Israelites survived the wilderness, and got to go into the Promised Land, because of their rebellion against the Lord and their refusal to obey his commandments.

And Moses disobeyed one single command of God, so he did not get to go into the Promised Land. But he was not among those who deliberately and habitually sinned against God in open and deliberate rebellion against God’s commands, who God then killed in the wilderness and who did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest because of their unbelief, i.e. because of their disobedience. Moses died, but he did get to enter into God’s eternal rest, and then God replaced him with Joshua as the leader of his people Israel.

Then God gave the Israelites a land on which they had not labored, and cities which they had not built, and his people lived in them. And they were eating of vineyards and olive groves which they did not plant. All this was given to them by God. They did nothing in themselves to earn it or to deserve it. But they did have to obey God’s commands and follow his leading, and they did have to refrain from living in rebellion against the Lord and from immorality, idolatry, and wild living, so as to receive the promise.

“Now, therefore, fear the Lord and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” (Joshua 24:14-15 NASB1995)

And all of this parallels over to the gospel of Christ taught us in the New Testament. For we who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives are now God’s people Israel, Jew and Gentile by faith in the Lord Jesus. And the way we get to be God’s people is through faith in Jesus Christ which must result in us obeying our Lord’s commands, in practice, and in us putting sin to death in our lives, by the Spirit. For if we live in open rebellion against our Lord, as did the Israelites then, we will not get to enter into God’s eternal rest, either, because of our unbelief, i.e. disobedience.

And we did nothing to earn or deserve our “Promised Land,” either. Our salvation from sin and the faith to believe in Jesus Christ are gifted to us by God, and they are empowered by God, and they are persuaded of God. All we have to do is to surrender our lives over to God, to believe in Christ as our Lord and Savior, and by his grace and in his power now die to sin and obey our Lord and his commands, in practice. For if we refuse, as did most of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness some 40 years, we will meet with the same punishment. We will not have eternal life with God.

So, as those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, we are to honor, respect, and obey our Lord and his commandments. And we are to serve the Lord in sincerity (no fakery) and in truth (according to the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles, taught in the correct context). We are to put away all idols of this world, and all sinful practices, and now obey our Lord in daily practice. And we are to serve him with our lives in surrender to his will in obedience to his calling upon our lives to live holy lives, pleasing to God. And then say with Joshua, in sincerity and in truth, “We will serve the Lord!”

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Consumer Prices Will Go Down From Day One? Will Gas Prices Go Down 50% Within A Year?

'Con job!' Trump snaps at reporter over fact check on his big Thanksgiving claim

"Mr. President, since you brought up the Walmart Thanksgiving meal, and it is cheaper, but it also contains less," the reporter noted.

"Fake news!" Trump bellowed. "NBC, you're fake news! NBC's gone down the tubes along with most of the rest of them."

"So that would mean that the whole series of pricing and costs, you know, the groceries and everything else, it was a con job. It was a con job, affordability, they call it, was a con job by the Democrats."
Gotta trust an expert.
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Pre-incarnate Christ

Logos

By Him, the first light was shone forth

Through Him, constellations were set out

For Him, humans were made

The Word Is God, creator of all things


Melchizedek

Without father nor mother

He was like unto the Son of God

Being the King of Peace

To rule the realm of His kingdom sovereignly

Being the High Priest of God

To make intercession for His people perpetually

He Is the God's anointed, ruler of all realms


The Angel of the Lord

God's messenger equal to God Himself

To the wicked, He brought judgment

To the blessed, He brought good tidings

With Him, the Word of the Lord ruled

With Him, the oracles proclaimed

With Him, the promises fulfilled

He Is the Lord, the Sovereign One of all mankind

Isaiah 43:10 Doesn't Say that YHWH wasn't "Formed"

It is a great verse to use with Latter day saints because they think they will become a god.
Maybe, but although the LDS position may sound heretic initially (and I'm not affiliated with them in any way) - the Christian church has from early on expressed views that are quite close to that. It's very similar to the Theosis concept from the Orthodox Church - in a believer progressing sanctification leads to divinisation. This has been expressed explicitly even by Athanasius - a key theologian in the formulation of the Nicene Creed (325 AD) and later theological developments:
God became man so that man might become god. (Athanasius, On the Incarnation - s. 54)
That sounds unfamiliar and even scary for a founding father of the Trinity doctrine isn't it?

And there are Bible verses backing up that view:

2 Peter 1:3–4
...that by these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.​

John 17:21–23
Yeshua: 'that they may be one, just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us.'​

Romans 8:29
'For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.'​
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.​

1 John 3:2
We shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.​

Similar views have been expressed by Irenaeus of Lyon, Clement of Alexandria and Gregory of Nazianzus (all of which we still have literature).

And let's not forget that even Yeshua quotes Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34-36, confirming that Psalm refers to human beings to as 'el (Hebrew) / god'. I.e. the Hebrew or Greek word 'el' / 'theos' could refer to other entities beside the One (YHWH). We never hear sermons on this verse, but Yeshua's citation of the Psalm is unambiguous in its meaning and application.

PS - this post is not to be taken as an endorsement of the LDS at all :)
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Not my circus. Not my clown.

Now on top of my prescription going down 1000% in price I am also going to loose close to 200% of my body weight by this time next year:

Dr. Oz made a stunning estimate after Trump’s obesity drug deals: ’135 billion’ pounds

Oz initially stated that those agreements could help Americans lose a collective 125 million pounds by the 2026 midterms. He later adjusted that number – by a staggering amount.

“We thought it was 125 million pounds,” Oz said. “Mr. President, our estimate, based on the company numbers as well, is that Americans will lose 135 billion pounds by the midterms.”
Yeah, well, that kind of thing can happen when people are no longer able to afford to eat.

-- A2SG, but we'll have the best, most greatest economy EVER.....
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Women in Ministry

Jesus’ Treatment of Women

As far as I know, from what I read in the New Testament, Jesus always treated women with high honor and respect. He never talked down to a woman or treated any woman as though she was less valuable than a man, with maybe one exception.

As recorded in Matthew 15:21-28, it appears that Jesus’ seemingly harsh words to a Gentile woman were not meant in unkindness, but that they were meant to test her faith, and to lead her to stand up for what she believed, too. And then he honored her for her faith, which he said was “great faith.”

And when other men took advantage of women, for evil purposes, or when they mocked or criticized them, Jesus stood up for the women, and he protected them. And he cared about their needs, and he ministered to them, and he honored their faith. And, if he did rebuke them, he was loving and gentle in his rebuke. He was always tender with them, compassionate and loving. And he used women to share the gospel with men, too.

[John 8:1-11; Luke 7:36-50; Matthew 26:6-13; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 10:38-42; John 2:1-11; John 4:1-42; John 20:11-18.]

In fact, In Luke 7 we read that a Pharisee invited Jesus to eat with him at his house. When a woman who had a reputation heard he was there, she came there and she anointed his feet with ointment, and wet them with her tears, and wiped them with her hair, and caressed them with her kisses.

When the Pharisee disapproved of the woman, Jesus rebuked him. But what he said to the Pharisee was for the encouragement of the woman, as well. For, what Jesus said to the Pharisee is that everything that he should have done for Jesus, but did not do, the woman did do. For, he said, “she loved much.” And, he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

And we read in Luke 8:1-3 that some women even traveled with Jesus and the disciples, too, and that they helped provide for Jesus’ and the disciples’ needs out of their own means.

I am assuming that the women made things which they sold for money, and that out of their earnings that they helped provide for Jesus and his disciples in the work of the ministry. So, they were co-laborers with Jesus and with his twelve male disciples in the ministry.

Your Daughters Shall Prophesy

And, when the Scriptures teach on the gifts of the Spirit, they do not differentiate between men and women, i.e. that some gifts are not for women. In fact, in Acts 2:17-18 we read:

“And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.”

So, why is it then that we have these teachings in the New Testament that sound as though women are to always remain silent, that they are not to speak in the gatherings of the church, without exception? (1 Corinthians 14:34-35; 1 Timothy 2:11-12). Doesn’t that seem contradictory to how Jesus treated women? And isn’t it contradictory to the passage in Acts 2, and to other New Testament scriptures that speak of women prophesying?

And why is it that so many church congregations, at least here in America, do not allow their women to prophecy (preach) in their gatherings? And some pastors treat women as though they are dirt under their feet for them to walk on? For, Jesus never treated a woman like that. He valued women, and he used women in ministry, and he even sent women out to share the gospel with men. And the Holy Spirit of God gifted women to prophesy. So, why would God then turn around and put the smack down on women?

And, why, then would the Scriptures talk about how we are all one body in Christ, and that we are all necessary, and that one part should not say to another, “We have no need of you!”? And why would it teach that the body grows and builds itself up in love and in the faith as “each part” does its work? And then tell our women that their part, which God gave to them, and for which he gifted them, is not permitted? Is the church then not suppressing the gifts of women?

How can we resolve these seeming contradictions? Is it possible that these passages on the silence of women in the church can have another plausible explanation other than the complete and total suppression of the gift of prophecy among the women in the church? And, if so, what might that be?

For, women obviously prophesied in New Testament times (See: Luke 2:36; Acts 2:17; Acts 21:9; 1 Corinthians 11:5). So, how are we to understand this restriction of the silence of women in the church if God poured out his Spirit on both men and women so that they could prophesy, and we have recorded in the New Testament that there were indeed women who did prophesy? What is the context? What is the purpose of the restriction?

The Context Reveals

Well, the context of 1 Corinthians 14 is that of teaching on spiritual gifts, teaching on love, and instructions regarding the misuse of the gifts and the right way in which the gifts are to be used, and regarding their purpose, too. So, this is in the context of 1 Corinthians 12 and 13, also.

And it is in 1 Corinthians 12 where we are taught that each body part is necessary, and that we are not to say to another part of the body that we have no need of him or of her. And it is God who decides who gets what part, too. And it is the Holy Spirit who assigns the gifts.

And, here in 1 Corinthians 14 we are told first off to pursue love, and to earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that we would prophesy. And the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding, consolation and encouragement. The one who prophesies edifies other believers, for the spiritual growth and advancement of them in the faith. He or she inspires, cheers, urges, nurtures, promotes and fosters spiritual maturity and holy walks in the Spirit of God, too, which is consistent with Ephesians 4:15-16.

So, if both women and men are gifted with the gift of prophecy, and we women are to use the gifts of the Spirit given to us for the upbuilding and the encouragement of the body of Christ, his church; and if not one of us is to say to another “We have no need of you,” and if all the parts are necessary, and women did prophesy in the New Testament, and the body of Christ is built up in the faith as “each part” does its work, then we have to conclude that these instructions on the silencing of women have a meaning other than the absolute silence of women in the church.

Order and Submission

So, again, let’s look at the context. The context has to do with how gifts are used, and it has to do with the order in which they are used. And, then let’s look at the wording of the passage, too. For, it all comes down to submission. It says that a woman, if she has questions regarding something she wants to learn, that she should ask her husband at home. So, apparently women were interrupting the order of service to ask questions. And some of this is definitely cultural to that day and time.

It also appears, by the context, that these women were usurping authority over the men, for it clearly instructs them that they are to be in submission to their husbands, and to the leadership of the church, and it indicates that they were stepping out of that order by speaking in the church gatherings in a disruptive way. So, these women were out of order in what they were doing.

And the passage in 1 Timothy 2 supports this, that women are not to usurp authority over the men, and that they are not to instruct men in an authoritative manner which would require men to obey them.

So, in conclusion, I believe God has gifted both men and women in various ways, and that Scripturally both men and women are gifted with the gift of prophecy (preaching), which is for the edification and encouragement of the body of Christ and for their strengthening and nurturing of them in the faith, that they may all reach maturity in Christ Jesus, their Lord.

I believe Jesus values women highly, that he gifts them in ministry, and that he calls them to prophesy (preach) the truths of Scriptures so that the body of Christ might be drawn closer to their Lord in walks of faith, and so that they may not wander off from the faith to go after what is false. I also believe that our Lord uses women sometimes in areas usually assigned to men, but that he does so when so many men are spiritually AWOL, and they are neglecting their callings (See Luke 7:36-50 as illustrative of this).

Lastly, I believe it all comes down to submission to the authorities within the church. If women are given permission to speak, and it is done in proper order, and if it is done in the right way, for the upbuilding of the body of Christ, then they should be allowed to speak. But they are not to usurp authority over the men nor to cause a disturbance in the congregation, and they are not to instruct men in the sense of being over men in authority. But they are to remain in submission and in proper order, and then they can speak as they are called upon to speak, as God gifts them to speak.

[Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:15-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20]

Have Thine Own Way, Lord

Words by Adelaide A. Pollard, 1907
Music by George C. Stebbins, 1907


Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Thou art the potter, I am the clay.
Mold me and make me after Thy will,
While I am waiting, yielded and still.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Search me and try me, Master, today!
Whiter than snow, Lord, wash me just now,
As in Thy presence humbly I bow.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Wounded and weary, help me I pray!
Power, all power, surely is Thine!
Touch me and heal me, Savior divine!

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Hold o'er my being absolute sway.
Fill with Thy Spirit till all shall see
Christ only, always, living in me!

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Women in Ministry
An Original Work / August 4, 2019
Reposted on November 7, 2025
(with slight editing)
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Democrats post gains in every key race.

The new Mayor of New York City, Zohran Mamdani, is a Democrat who won on a progressive platform focused on making the city more affordable. Hamas is a designated foreign terrorist group, not a political party that runs in American elections. Your statement is wildly inaccurate and basically political fear-mongering used to attack a candidate who is outspokenly pro-Palestinian.

Mamdani is a Democratic Socialist (similar to Bernie Sanders), not an actual member of the Democratic Party.

Part of the reason Democratic Socialists have bene gaining ground is the legacy of neoliberals being in the establishment in the Democratic Party for some time (Clinton normalized Democrats support for neoliberalism). Ezra Klein recently tried to rehabilitate neoliberalism, but most voters in the US increasingly find neoliberalism uninspiring.
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WHY PAUL AND PETER ARE NOT AGREEING. ??

Acts 15 Peter is clearly in leadership in the NT church council

James was the one that made the final judgement at Acts 15, not Peter

Peter was afraid of the "men from James" after that council event (Galatians 2:12)

No, Peter was not "clearly in leadership in the NT church council".
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