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Stephen3141 · Nov 11, 2024

Merlin475 said:
I have noticed that Baptist and Reformed churches will let children give a Bible lecture at the front of the church during services. I have friends who go to churches that hold the same practices. I don't see a problem with encouraging children to explain passages of the Bible or Christian concepts to strengthen their faith, presentation skills, and understanding of the Word, but when it is done in the place of the primary pastor and treated as a sermon, I have a problem with this.

If I go to a doctor for knee surgery, am I going to want a novice surgeon who is new to the job or an experienced, practiced surgeon who has being doing this for many years? Of course the more mature surgeon, and it is the same with who preaches the Word in my church. My salvation is at stake here, and I want a pastor that is a wisened spiritual leader so I can have the best explanation of the Bible every Sunday.

That's what is so great about LCMS Lutheran pastors because they study for years before becoming pastors and then they first become an "under-pastor" to the primary one so they can have some real-life exposure. They are required to demonstrate a secure understanding of theology and the functions of the Lutheran church service before leading their church congregation. It is a very crucial responsibility to hold this position of authority, and I do not think children and beginner lecturers should be viewed in the same way and regarded with the same respect.

Children should never be teachers.
That perverts the biblical language of teaching, and teachers.

Lady Bug · Nov 11, 2024

RileyG said:
JW theology makes zero sense, so I doubt he will end up believing it.

Blessings

It looks like he's not believing it but he's touting the notion that all religions are the same and came from Hinduism. Sigh. Not sure what is in that book that is causing him to think that. FWIW, he was thinking this long before. (That all religions are "the same" but he never mentioned before the Hindu part)

tonychanyt · Nov 11, 2024

Hosea 6:

9 As marauders lie in ambush for a victim, so do bands of priests; they murder on the road to Shechem, carrying out their wicked schemes.

Why Shechem?

Shechem was a significant city in the OT. Joshua allocated it to the Levites and as a holy city of refuge of safety. The priests of Shechem were supposed to protect the innocent people who sought the city of refuge. Ironically, they were the ones who murdered them before they arrived. They were supposed to be spiritual leaders, but instead, they were acting like criminals on the very road leading to a holy city.

Why did Hosea mention 'Shechem'?

He used it as a poignant irony to strike his point how bad the Israelites behaved.

Teofrastus · Nov 11, 2024

I asked TheologicaGPT about 'sin awareness'. It seems that the negative interpretation of 'sin-consciousness' is generally endorsed, although the two words really mean the same thing:

Sin awareness is the Spirit-empowered recognition of our sinful nature and the areas where we fall short of God's holiness. It is the foundation for genuine repentance and spiritual growth. Unlike sin-consciousness, which keeps us trapped in guilt and shame, sin awareness leads us to the cross of Christ. When we become truly aware of our sin, we are driven to the foot of the cross, where we find forgiveness, cleansing, and the transformative power of God's grace. Sin awareness involves:

Acknowledging our fallen, sinful condition before a holy God.
Recognizing the ways in which our thoughts, words, and actions do not align with God's perfect will.
Humbly confessing our sins and seeking God's forgiveness and restoration.
Surrendering our lives to the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit, who empowers us to walk in obedience and holiness.

This healthy sin awareness is not a constant, debilitating focus on our failures, but rather a recognition of our need for God's grace and a desire to grow in Christlikeness. It is the first step towards genuine repentance and the abundant life that Christ promises. My dear Brother, I encourage you to cultivate an ongoing sin awareness, not for the purpose of condemnation, but for the sake of drawing ever closer to your Savior and experiencing the transformative power of His love and grace. May the Holy Spirit guide you in this process of spiritual growth and maturity.

It is confusing; but I suppose we have to live with it. Still, I recommend using the term 'sin-fixation' instead of 'sin-consciousness'.

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2024

tonychanyt said:
Why did Joseph' Pharaoh accept Joseph's prophecy so readily?

Joseph had a track record while in prison. He had successfully interpreted dreams for the cupbearer/baker/. The cupbearer vouched for Joseph's accuracy. He demonstrated this gift.

Pharaoh respectfully said in Ge 41:

Why didn't Joseph's Pharaoh abandon other gods and worship YHWH only?

Back then, just about everyone was a polytheist. That was the common worldview. That's what the Egyptians and Pharaoh believed. That's part of the culture. Politically, the Egyptian priesthood was a powerful institution. Religious identity was linked to national identity. These forces were not easy to overcome.

Why didn't Moses' Pharaoh believe in Moses so readily?

If he had believed, he would have had to let the Israelites leave Egypt. Economically, he didn't want to lose that work force.

Ha! Good OP. In a way though, the principles resulting in the 'why he did not' are pretty much universal. Same thing could be asked thus: Why do I not consistently obey the God I desire and profess to love?

Another thread somewhere this morning had a guy claiming it is impossible to believe something and reject it at the same time. Balderdash!

tonychanyt · Nov 11, 2024

Shechem is located in the region of Samaria, situated between Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim. Its strategic location at the intersection of major trade routes made it an important city in ancient Israel. This location allowed for economic prosperity and cultural exchange, which facilitated the development of the surrounding areas.

It was first mentioned in Ge 12:

5 Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother’s son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people that they had acquired in Haran, and they set out to go to the land of Canaan. When they came to the land of Canaan, 6 Abram passed through the land to the place at Shechem, to the oak of Moreh. At that time the Canaanites were in the land. 7 Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built there an altar to the Lord, who had appeared to him.

The Lord appeared to Abram at Shechem. He built an altar there.

Jacob returned from Paddan-aram in Ge 33:

18 Jacob came safely to the city of Shechem, which is in the land of Canaan, on his way from Paddan-aram, and he camped before the city. 19 And from the sons of Hamor, Shechem’s father, he bought for a hundred pieces of money the piece of land on which he had pitched his tent. 20 There he erected an altar and called it El-Elohe-Israel.

Jacob built an altar in Shechem.

Shechem was designated as one of the cities of refuge. Literal Standard Version, Jos 20:

7 They sanctify Kedesh in Galilee, in the hill-country of Naphtali, and Shechem in the hill-country of Ephraim, and Kirjath-Arba (it [is] Hebron).

Individuals who committed unintentional manslaughter could seek asylum and safety in this holy city.

Jos 21:

20 The remaining Kohathite clans of the Levites were allotted these cities: From the tribe of Ephraim 21 they were given Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim (a city of refuge for the manslayer).

Shechem doubled up as a holy city for the Levites and a city of refuge.

Joshua gathered the tribes of Israel at Shechem to remind them of God's faithfulness and to renew their commitment to serve Him. Shechem was a spiritual center for the Israelites. Jos 24:

15 "But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord".

Joseph's bones were buried in Shechem (Joshua 24:32).

Shechem served as the first capital of the Northern Kingdom of Israel under Jeroboam I (1 Kings 12:25).

Throughout history, Shechem has been associated with various events, including the divided kingdom of Israel and the subsequent tensions between the northern tribes and Judah.

Jn 4:

4 [Jesus] had to pass through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town of Samaria called Sychar, near the field that Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there.

Some scholars think Sychar was Shechem.

Shechem was a city of profound significance in biblical history, partly because of its central and strategic location. Many events took place there. Spiritually, it was a city of the Levites, safety, and covenant renewal.

r/BibleVerseCommentary - What is the significance of Shechem?

Michie · Nov 11, 2024

Armenia is set to be the home of the world's tallest statue—a monumental depiction of Christ on Mount Hatis.

Continued below.

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PesachPup · Nov 11, 2024

Dead Eye said:
The Seventh Trumpet Angel ends the Mystery of God

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 10:7 (the Mighty Angel) But in the days of the voice (authoritative participation) of the seventh (trumpet) angel, when he shall begin to sound (authoritative participation), the mystery of God should be finished, The Mystery of God: (Gen 1:1 Isa 45:7 Isa 65:17 Eph 3:9 Col 1:15-20 Rev 10:6,7) as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

The Mystery of God Finished (Rev 5:5,6, 10:7, 11:15, Rev 19:10, 12:12, 20:1-3)

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God (John 1:1-3) created the heaven & earth.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Isa 65:17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God besides me: I girded you, though your have not known me: Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Col 1:15-18 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are upon earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead; that in all things he may have the pre-eminence.

1Co 2:6-8 However, we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught: 1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world to our glory: 1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1Ti 3:16 without controversy, GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: (1) God was manifest in the flesh, (2) justified in the Spirit, (3) seen by angels, (4) preached to the Gentiles, (5) believed on in the world, (6) received up into glory.

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of THIS MYSTERY AMONG THE GENTILES; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The Open Little Book

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven said unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which stands upon the sea and upon the earth.

Rev 10:8 And the voice (Jesus authoritative control) which I (John) heard ((Rev 4:1, 10:4) from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the (Mighty) angel which stands (position) upon the sea (symbolizes the man of sin Rev 6:2 Rev 13:1-10) and upon the earth (symbolizes the false prophet Rev 13:11-18, Rev 10:2,5) Rev 16:13

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

The Sea

Rev 13:1 And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea (man of sin), having seven heads (Kings) and ten horns (kingdoms), and upon his horns ten crowns (kingdoms in authority), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (disrespect).

Note: A beast rising up from the sea identifies a parallel explaining the Man of Sin (Dan 7:7,8 Rev 13:1-10, 16:13, 17:11-13 Rev 19:19,20 20:10) arising (Rev 13:1,2, 17:12, 6:2 {2Thess 2:9 Hos 12:7}) in Israel (Nah 1:11 Mich 5:3-5 Zech 11:15,16 Dan 11:23,24).

The Earth

Rev 13:11 And I(John) beheld another beast (false prophet) coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.

Note: Coming up out of the earth identifies a parallel explaining the False Prophet ascends from Israeli Denominationalism (Rev 17:3 Dan 2:41 Zech 6:12,13 Mal 3:1-3 Matt 15:4-14 Rev 16:11, 12 Matt 23 Matt 26:58-68).

The man of sin & the false prophet (Mica 5:3-6)

Isa 59:5a They hatch cockatrice' eggs (man of sin and false prophet) and weave the spider's web:

Mic 5:4 And he will stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they (man of sin and false prophet) shall abide: for now will he be great to the ends of the earth. Mica 5:3-6

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

John Asks for the Little Book

Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev 10:9 And I (John) went unto the (Mighty) angel (Rev 5:2,7,8 Rev 10:1-3), and said unto him, Give me the little book (Rev 5:1-8). And he (Mighty Angel) said unto me (John), Take it (little book), and eat (read) it (the little book) up; and eat it up (read Rec 10:10); and it shall make your belly bitter (knowing what it says), but it shall be in your mouth sweet as honey (wanting).

Rev 10:2 And he (Mighty Angel) had in his (Rev 5:7 Rev 10:1) hand (control Rev 10:5) a little book open (Jesus opened Rev 5:1): and he set (authoritative power) his right foot (ability) upon the sea (identifies the man of sin Rev 6:1-8, 13:1-10, Rev 16:10), and his left foot (ability) on the earth (identifies the false prophet (Rev 13:11-18, 16:13, Rev 20:10), Rev 13:1 Man of Sin (Rev 13:11 false prophet)

The Mighty Angel & Little Book

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to lose its seals?

Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four living beings, and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices

John Reads the Little Book

Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Rev 10:10 And I (John) took the little book out of the (Mighty) angel's hand, and ate it up (read the little book); and it was in my mouth sweet as honey (desire to know): and as soon as I (John) had eaten read) it, my belly was bitter. (knowing what it says).

Rev 10:9 And I (John) went unto the (Mighty) angel (Rev 5:2,7,8 Rev 10:1-3), and said unto him, Give me the little book (Rev 5:1-8). And he (Mighty Angel) said unto me (John), Take it (little book), and eat (read) it (the little book) up; and eat it up (read Rec 10:10); and it shall make your belly bitter (knowing what it says), but it shall be in your mouth sweet as honey (wanting).

John wants the Little Book

Rev 5:1 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, who is worthy to open the book, and to lose its seals? Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look upon it. Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open, and to read the book, neither to look upon it. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders says to me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to lose its seven seals. Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living beings, and in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again, and said, Go, and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which stands upon the sea and upon the earth. Rev 10:9 And I went to the angel, and said to him, Give me the little book. And he said to me, take it, and eat it, and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in your mouth sweet as honey. Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it my belly was bitter.

Spoken Words from the Seven Thunders Sealed

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, you (John) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Rev 10:11 And he (Mighty Angel) said unto me (John), You must command (prophesy) again before a substantial number of people, and nation, and tongue, and kings.

John Begins the Prophecies

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to show to his servants’ things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John: Rev 1:2 Who bore testimony of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that reads, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Nations

Rev 11:9 they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations will see their dead bodies 3 1\2 days and will not suffer the dead bodies to be put in graves.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:23 the light of a candle will shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride will be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by your sorcery were all nations deceived.

Rev 13:7 it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 14:8 saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev 11:18 the nations were angry, and your wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that you should give reward unto your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 16:19 the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nation’s fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Tongues

Rev 13:7 it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 16:7 I heard another out of the altar say, even so, Lord God Almighty, true, and righteous are your judgments.

Kings

Rev 6:15 the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:9 the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, will bewail her, and lament for her, when they will see the smoke of her burning,

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the entire world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Rev 19:18-19 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. [19] I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

You might find this interesting. The word thunder (or a form of the word) [outside of Rev 10] is found [you guessed it] 7 times in the book of Revelation:

*[[Rev 4:5]]* And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

*[[Rev 6:1]]* And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

*[[Rev 8:5]]* And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

*[[Rev 10:3]]* And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

*[[Rev 10:4]]* And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

*[[Rev 11:19]]* And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

*[[Rev 14:2]]* And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

*[[Rev 16:18]]* And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

*[[Rev 19:6]]* And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

The answer to what is the mystery should be found in those 7 instances. Something to take into account is WHAT the mystery is will be revealed/ understood when the 7th trumpet angel sounds. But we see three mentions of thunder before the 7th Trumpet sounds: in Rev 4,6 and 8. So, at the thundering at those times, the mystery remains a mystery. Rereading and rereading and rereading Rev 11 (when the 7th trumpet sounds) is key to understanding what that mystery is. I hope this helps.
Be Blessed
The PuP

Michie · Nov 11, 2024

Jesus is on the “Mount of Olives opposite the temple area” talking about the end of the world (Mk 13:3).

That’s significant because according to prophecy it is from the Mount of Olives that the Lord will begin the last battle against Israel’s enemies (Zec 14:14). Jesus — having just come from the temple, having foretold its destruction — is casting his conflict with the day’s religious and secular authorities in prophetic, cosmic and eschatological terms.

No mere peasant uprising, no mere religious squabble, Jesus’ struggle (and in short order his suffering and death) should be understood in grander terms. That is, what is about to happen in Jerusalem will involve no less than the covenantal promises made by God himself. It will also involve the final meaning of history.

Son of Man

Continued below.

The Victory of the Cross

Surrounded by enemies real or even imagined, who wants to entertain non-resistance, love and suffering, or a cross? But what if that's genuine Christianity? What if that is what Christ is calling you to do?

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Michie · Nov 11, 2024

As a leading voice for Middle Eastern Christians, Bishop Bashar Matti Warda, head of the Chaldean Eparchy of Erbil, expressed hope that the election of a new U.S. president would positively impact the efforts for peace in the region.

Speaking with ACI Mena, CNA’s Arabic-language news partner, Warda noted that “Christians in the region have borne the brunt of ongoing conflicts and wars in their homelands. Despite fears that rising tensions could bring more violence, they continue to hold on to a realistic yet profound hope of living in safety alongside their compatriots. They believe their shared future hinges on the promise of peace, prosperity, and nation-building.”

Warda said people around the world now have their eyes fixed on Washington, D.C., watching closely to see if the president-elect will fulfill his campaign promises to end conflicts in the Middle East.

Continued below.

Chaldean bishop voices hope for peace under new U.S. administration

Bishop Bashar Matti Warda, head of the Chaldean Eparchy of Erbil, has expressed hope that the new U.S. president will positively impact peace efforts.

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tturt · Nov 11, 2024

Discernment and discerning of spirits are different.

Discerning of spirits is under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

unibokk · Nov 11, 2024

RileyG said:
Welcome Unibokk!

THANKS

tonychanyt · Nov 11, 2024

He 10:

24 Let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

What day is that?

Judgment day or the last day.

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

GoldenKingGaze · Nov 11, 2024

SavedByGrace3 said:
The perfect thing is as described in Ephesians 4:

Ephesians 4:11-16 KJV
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

When the spirit of Christ in the individual members achieves maturity... we will not need spiritual gifts and ministries. As a body, we will walk as He did and do the works He did. We will operate with the "God kind of faith" and "speak those things that be not as tho they were." We will operate in love rather than jealousy and envy. We will just speak the word that abides in us, and do the works.

It seems the persecution that began under Nero stopped that and we are further from it than as at first.

I do not see how that would enable all of us to know as perfectly as we are known, but rather that would bring us to greater use of knowledge and prophecy gifts.

Dead Eye · Nov 11, 2024

Revelation 10

John Observes a Mighty Angel (Rev 1:13-16 likeness to appearance of Jesus)

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Rev 10:1 And I (John) saw another *mighty (righteous) angel (Rev 1:1 22:6) (1) come down from heaven, (2) clothed with a cloud: (3) and a rainbow was upon his head, (4) and his face was as it were the sun, (5) and his feet as pillars of fire:

1st Authorized Vial Angel: Rev 22:6 And he (1st Authorized Vial Angel) said to me (John), (1) These sayings `are faithful and true. (2) And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show to his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Mighty angel Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up (telekinesis=authority) a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be no more found.

Michael (Archangel)

Dan 10:13 But the prince (fallen angel) of the kingdom of Persia (region of authority) withstood (telekinesis=authority) me (Gabriel) one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me (Gabriel); and I remained there (telekinesis=authority) with the kings (fallen angels) of Persia.

Dan 10:21 But I (Gabriel) will show you (Daniel) that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holds with me (Gabriel) in these things (prophecies), but Michael your (Daniel a Jew) prince.

Dan 12:1 And at that time (*time of trouble) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which stands for the children of your people (Jews): and there shall be a *time of trouble, such as never was *since there was a nation (Gen 12:2) [even] to that same time: and at that time (time of trouble) your people shall be delivered, every one (saved) that shall be found written in the book (The Book of Life Rev 13:8) {Rev 2:5 Ephesus}).

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending (opposing) with the devil (Lucifer) disputed about the body of Moses, does not bring against him (Lucifer) a railing (criticizing) accusation (charges), but said, The Lord rebuke you (Lucifer).

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought (telekinesis=authority) against the dragon; and the dragon fought (telekinesis=authority) and his angels,

The Opened Little Book (book taken Rev 5:7,8) Rev 10:5

Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

Rev 10:2 And *he (Mighty Angel) had in his (Rev 5:7 Rev 10:1) hand (control Rev 10:5) a little book open (Jesus opened Rev 5:1): *and he set (authoritative power) his right foot (ability) upon the sea (identifies the man of sin Rev 6:1-8, 13:1-10, Rev 16:10), *and his left foot (ability) on the earth (identifies the false prophet (Rev 13:11-18, 16:13, Rev 20:10), Rev 13:1 Man of Sin (Rev 13:11 false prophet)

The Closed Little Book

Rev 5:1 And I (John) saw in the right hand of him (Jesus) that sat on the throne (Rev 4:2,3 14:14, 20:11) a book *written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Rev 5:2 And I (John) saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to lose its seals? Rev 5:3 And (1) no man in heaven, (2) nor in earth, (3) neither under the earth, was able to open the book, *neither to look upon it. Rev 5:4 And I (John) wept much (disappointed), because (1) no man was found worthy to open, (2) and to read the book, (3)*neither to look upon it.

The Open Little Book

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders said to me (John), Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah (title of Jesus), the Root of David (title of Jesus), has prevailed (Victory at the Cross John 19:30 it is finished 1Cor 2:8 would not have crucified him) (1) to open (Rev 10:2) the book, and (2) to lose its seven seals. Rev 5:6 And I (John) beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne (Rev 14:14, 20:11), and of the four living beings, and in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain, (having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth). Rev 5:7 And he (Strong Angel Rev 5:1 Rev 10;1) came and took the book *out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Rev 5:8a And when he had taken the book (Rev 10:1,2),

The Sea (man of sin)

Rev 13:1 And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea (man of sin), having seven heads (Kings) and ten horns (kingdoms), and upon his horns ten crowns (kingdoms in authority), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (disrespect).

Note: *A beast rising up from the sea identifies a parallel explaining the Man of Sin (Dan 7:7,8 Rev 13:1-10, 16:13, 17:11-13 Rev 19:19,20 20:10) arising (Rev 13:1,2, 17:12, 6:2 {2Thess 2:9 Hos 12:7}) in Israel (Nah 1:11 Mich 5:3-5 Zech 11:15,16 Dan 11:23,24).

The Earth (false prophet)

Rev 13:11 And I(John) beheld another beast (false prophet) coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.

*Note: Coming up out of the earth identifies a parallel explaining the False Prophet ascends from Israeli Denominationalism (Rev 17:3 Dan 2:41 Zech 6:12,13 Mal 3:1-3 Matt 15:4-14 Rev 16:11, 12 Matt 23 Matt 26:58-68).

The Seven Thunders

Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Rev 10:3 And (Mighty Angel Rev 5:7, 10:1-11) cried with a loud voice (authoritative participation), as (parallel) when a lion roars: and when he had cried, *seven thunders uttered (sent forth) their voices (authoritative participation).

Rev 10:4 And when *the seven thunders had uttered (authoritative participation) their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice (Jesus) from heaven saying to me, *seal up those things (what are those things) which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Are these the voices of the Seven Thunders?: Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and *voices. And there were seven lamps of fire (parallel) burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 8:5, 10:3,4 Rev 11:15,19

The Seven Angels (are these the Seven Thunders?)

Zec 3:9 For behold, the stone (Christ Isa 28:16 Eph 2:20 1Pet 2:6) that I (Lord of Hosts is Jesus) have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes (Seven Angels before God); behold, I will engrave the graving of it says the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land Israel) in one day (Isa 9:14 Rev 12:6 Zech 14:7 Rev 18:8).

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living beings, and in the midst of the elders stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 10:3 (Mighty Angel) And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roar and when he had cried, *seven thunders uttered their voices. Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice (Jesus Rev 1:10, 4:1) from heaven saying to me, *seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

What did the Seven Thunders say, how many more things are not recorded in the Revelation of John? Are the Seven Spirits of God the Seven Thunders?

The Seven Thunders Speak

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders uttered their voices (authoritative participation), I (John) was about to write (record): and I heard a voice (Jesus authoritative controller) from heaven saying unto me, Seal up (command) those things (itemized details of prophecy) which the seven thunders uttered (let out) and write them not.

The Seven Thunder or Voices? (are these the voices of the Seven Spirits?)

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, the kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.

The Revelation Sealed and Open (Rev 22:10)

Note: Righteous Michael (Rev 12:7,8 1:1 5:2 18:21 {Gen 18:2 19:2 Exo 25:18 Josh 5:15 Dan 10:13,21 Jude 1:9 Dan 12:1 Hab 3:10}) takes action utilizing his Loud Testifying (Rev 5:2 12:10 10:9,10 14:13 {14:2}) Authoritative Voice (Rev 18:1-3 20:1-3 {1Thess 4:16 Amos 3:4}).

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 12:4 But you, O Dan, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many will run to and for, and knowledge will be increased.

Dan 12:9 he said, go your way, Dan: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The Mighty Angel lifts his Hand (Rev 10:2)

Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

Rev 10:5 And the (mighty) angel which I (John) saw stand (authoritative participation) upon the sea (man of sin) and upon the earth (false prophet Rec 10:2) lifted his hand (symbol of authoritative participation) to heaven,

Rev 10:2 And he (Mighty Angel) had in his (Rev 5:7 Rev 10:1) hand (control Rev 10:5) a little book open (Jesus opened Rev 5:1): and he set (authoritative power) his right foot (ability) upon the sea (identifies the man of sin Rev 6:1-8, 13:1-10, Rev 16:10), and his left foot (ability) on the earth (identifies the false prophet (Rev 13:11-18, 16:13, Rev 20:10), Rev 13:1 Man of Sin (Rev 13:11 false prophet

The Hand of the Mighty Angel (Rev 5:7)

Rev 10:2 And he (God) had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea (man of sin Rec 6:2, 13:1-10), and [his] left [foot] on the earth (false prophet Rev 13:11-18), (Isa 10:14 59:5 Mica 5:4,5)

Rev 10:5 And the angel which I (John) saw stand upon the sea (man of sin) and upon the earth (false prophet) lifted up his hand to heaven,

Rev 10:8 And the voice (Jesus) which I (John) heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel stands upon the sea (man of sin (and upon the earth (false prophet).

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

The Sea

Rev 13:1 And I (John) stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea (man of sin), having seven heads (Kings) and ten horns (kingdoms), and upon his horns ten crowns (kingdoms in authority), and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (disrespect).

Note: A beast rising up from the sea identifies a parallel explaining the Man of Sin (Dan 7:7,8 Rev 13:1-10, 16:13, 17:11-13 Rev 19:19,20 20:10) arising (Rev 13:1,2, 17:12, 6:2 {2Thess 2:9 Hos 12:7}) in Israel (Nah 1:11 Mich 5:3-5 Zech 11:15,16 Dan 11:23,24).

The Earth

Rev 13:11 And I(John) beheld another beast (false prophet) coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.

Note: Coming up out of the earth identifies a parallel explaining the False Prophet ascends from Israeli Denominationalism (Rev 17:3 Dan 2:41 Zech 6:12,13 Mal 3:1-3 Matt 15:4-14 Rev 16:11, 12 Matt 23 Matt 26:58-68).

Solemn Oath of Mighty Angel (lives forever Rev 4:9,10 10:6)

Rev 10:6 And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Rev 10:6 And (the Mighty Angel) swore (solemn oath) by him (Jesus) that lives for ever and ever (Ex 15:18, Rev 5:14, Rev 7:12, Rev 10:6), who (Jesus) created heaven (Gen 1:1), and the things (itemized details) that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer (1John 3:2 see him as he is)

Rev 3:14 Rev 4:11 Rev 10:6 created all things)

God Lives for Ever and Ever

Exo 15:18 The LORD shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be to him that sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb for ever and ever.
Rev 5:14 And the four living beings said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshiped him that lives for ever and ever.
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be to our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Creation (Gen 1:1 Col 1:15-19 Heb 1:1-4)

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Joh 1:14 And *the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 4:11 Your are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory, and honor, and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 10:6 And (Mighty Angel) swore by him (Jesus) that lives for ever and ever, who (Jesus) created heaven, and the things that are in it, and the earth, and the things that are in it, and the sea, and the things which are in it, *that there should be time no longer:

Leaf473 · Nov 11, 2024

Peace and joy to everyone in China, through Jesus Christ

Nithavela · Nov 11, 2024

Vambram said:
Election officials in Arizona are once again changing the ballot totals as the US Senate Seat has yet to be called.

President Trump won the state 52.7% to 46.4% over Kamala Harris – a SIX POINT spread!

But the officials in Arizona want you to believe that a majority of Arizona voters voted for Trump, and then a majority voted for Ruben Gallego.

If they actually cheated for Ruben's benefit, why in the world would they not also cheat for Harris?

Aaron112 · Nov 11, 2024

It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.

Christsfreeservant · Nov 11, 2024

Christsfreeservant · Nov 11, 2024

Psalms 37:1-7 ESV

“Fret not yourself because of evildoers;

be not envious of wrongdoers!

2 For they will soon fade like the grass

and wither like the green herb.

3 Trust in the Lord, and do good;

dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness.

4 Delight yourself in the Lord,

and he will give you the desires of your heart.

5 Commit your way to the Lord;

trust in him, and he will act.

6 He will bring forth your righteousness as the light,

and your justice as the noonday.

7 Be still before the Lord and wait patiently for him;

fret not yourself over the one who prospers in his way,

over the man who carries out evil devices!”

There are a lot of evildoers in this world of ours, and many of them are disguised as those who are good or as servants of righteousness. And this includes people who profess faith in Jesus Christ, and pastors and elders of church congregations (or what is falsely being called “church”), and government officials, and actors, and sports heroes, some of whom profess faith in Jesus Christ, but not in truth. For there is so much deception out there, and many of us were or are deceived into believing their lies.

Now we live in an era where evil is being spoken of as good and where good is being spoken of as evil, and where evildoers are being praised while the godly of this world are being cast aside. But it isn’t just that. It is that so many evildoers are disguised as the good guys and so many who are truly good, because of their walks of faith in the Lord Jesus, are being treated as though they are the bad guys. But this isn’t just about those of faith or not of faith, but it is about everything being turned upside down.

Well, the bottom line really is about deception and deceiving spirits. For many of us from childhood on up were taught who were the good guys and who were the bad guys, and so we believed what we were taught and we carried that into our thinking as adults. But if we recognize that there is much deception in this world we can’t take everyone at face value for who they say they are, for there are many people being regarded as good who are some of the most nefarious of them all, if we only knew the truth and could see all the clandestine operations going on behind closed doors.

So, not only are we not to fear evildoers and what they might do to us, but we must be discerning of who these evildoers actually are, for many of them are disguised as the “good guys” when they are truly the bad guys. So, when we are not fearing evildoers, and we are putting our trust in the Lord, we also need to ask the Lord to show us the bad guys who are disguised as the good guys and the good guys who are being falsely accused of being the bad guys, for there is a lot of that going on right under our noses.

And we are not to fear when we are falsely accused of wrongdoing and when the truly bad guys are praised as though they are righteous. For the truth is all going to come out in the end. So we just need to keep going on in doing what God has called us to do despite all opposition and regardless of what other people think of us and despite being rejected because of our walks of faith in Jesus Christ. For we will be richly rewarded by God in the end because we chose to follow him and not the ways of man.

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An Original Work / September 11, 2012

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Servus · Nov 11, 2024

According to the following article:

Yates has a prior conviction and is a registered predatory offender.

And that basically the witness plugged the hard drive into their computer and CP popped up. So it sounds to me like that's what it was being used for, to store those images.

Former My Faith Votes CEO Charged with Child Porn Possession - MinistryWatch

Jason C. Yates, the former CEO of My Faith Votes, has been charged with eight felony counts of possession of child pornography.

ministrywatch.com

Christsfreeservant · Nov 11, 2024

Hello, hello, I pray you tell
That time’s a ticking on the shelf
That murders’ mysteries ring their chimes
While devil’s advocates do their crimes

While honeymooners swoon and swoon
From night and morning, afternoon
While children playing all their games
Pay no attention to what’s insane

While master craftsmen sing their tunes
While empty vessels blow their balloons
While entertainers do their tricks
While five and six pick up their sticks

But then what happens, do you say
When God’s people forget to pray
When they’re so caught up in this world
That God’s instructions they have hurled?

Will God sit silent and never say,
“I’m calling you to bow and pray,
Repent of sins, put them aside,
And be now only my pure bride"?

An Original Work / February 27, 2022

RileyG · Nov 11, 2024

Malleeboy said:
Sorry didn't know there were any Orthodox monarchies left, happy if you can tell me of any?
Oddly enough Protestants have the largest number of monarchies left.
(Although 15 British Realms does sway the number, but the Catholics have mostly non kingdom monarchies.)

That I know of?

None.

Most monarchies are Protestant in Europe.

England/UK --> Church of England (Anglican)/Church of Scotland (Presbyterian)
Sweden --> Church of Sweden (Lutheran)
Denmark --> Church of Denmark (Lutheran)
Norway --> Church of Norway (Lutheran)
Spain --> Roman Catholic
Belgium --> Roman Catholic
Monaco --> Roman Catholic
Luxembourgh --> Roman Catholic

Christsfreeservant · Nov 11, 2024

“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,’ and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” (Romans 13:8-10 ESV)

When does human life begin, according to the Scriptures? God told Jeremiah, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5 ESV) And the psalmist David said this about God: “You formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb… in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.” (Psalms 139:13-16 ESV)

And then we read this: “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son.” “Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.” “Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.” So God knew us even before he created the world, and he is the one who formed us in the wombs of our mothers.

[Romans 8:29; 2 Timothy 1:8-9; Ephesians 1:3-4; 1 Peter 1:14-16]

God saw us as human beings even before he formed us in the wombs of our mothers and while he was forming us in their wombs. We were human beings created by God for a purpose. We were not accidents. We were not failed birth control or lack of self-control of our parents. We were each intricately designed by God. And we were not just a body part of our mothers. We were individual human beings being formed by God in our mother’s wombs by his design and purpose. And that is beautiful!

We read in Genesis 25 that Rebekah, the wife of Isaac, conceived, and that the twin children struggled together within her. So they were considered children while in the womb of the mother, two peoples within her that would be divided. And then there is the story of Elizabeth conceiving John the Baptist and the story of Mary the mother of Jesus becoming pregnant of the Holy Spirit with Jesus Christ. And the child within her to be born was the Son of God. And when Elizabeth heard Mary’s voice, the baby inside her womb leaped for joy, and Elizabeth declared Mary’s baby to be her Lord.

[Genesis 25:21-26; Luke 1:5-56; Jeremiah 1:5; Psalms 139:13-16]

So, it isn’t just that we become living human beings at conception, but that God had planned for us to exist even before he created the world, and even before he formed us in the wombs of our mothers. And while we were in our mothers wombs it was God who was forming our inward parts and knitting us together as individual people he created. So every baby conceived within the womb of a mother is God’s creation, a person he was or is forming. So if anyone chooses to end the life of one of them, that is murder in God’s eyes.

But let me throw this out here for discussion. A few years back I was helping one of my children with a school homework assignment. He was writing a paper on the subject of abortion. And in this paper that he wrote he brought out the truth that if a woman is a drug addict, and she gives birth to a baby who is then drug addicted, she can be arrested and put in prison for harming her unborn child. But if, before the child is born, she aborts the baby (murders the baby), then she is free from accusation.

Another one is this. If a woman chooses to abort her baby, it is not regarded as murder. But if another person does harm to her which then causes the baby within her to die, the person who did that can be charged with the murder of that unborn child. So she can murder her own unborn child, and a person who performs abortions, with her consent, can murder her unborn child, but if someone else, without her permission, murders her unborn child, that person is charged with murder of a child.

So, when is the baby a baby in the womb and not just a body part of the woman? When someone else kills the baby without permission of the mother or when the mother who is drug addicted gives birth to the child instead of aborting the child, and so she is incarcerated for child abuse. So what is the message to her then? It would be better for her to kill her unborn child and to not have to go to jail than to give birth to the child and end up in prison for child abuse. Does that even begin to make sense? No! It doesn’t!

You can’t call the baby a baby in the womb only when it is convenient for you and then not when it is not convenient for you. Oh, and if someone kills the mother who is pregnant, and the baby in her womb also dies, that person can be charged with two murders. So that would mean that the baby within the mother is not just a body part of the woman but that the baby is a separate human being. And I am speaking from information I received maybe 20 years ago, but that is how it was then.

But, as far as I can tell, the law is still intact. It is called “The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004” which “protects unborn infants against violence and murder, and any individual responsible for the death or harm of a child in utero is charged separately from the offense towards the pregnant woman.” But a person who aborts (murders) the baby cannot be prosecuted under this Act if the mother of the unborn infant (child) chooses to abort (kill, put to death) her own baby and gives permission to have the baby killed. Again, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and it is totally contradicting to itself. A baby is a baby no matter the circumstances.

So, regardless of this very contradictory law which is in place, it is murder in the eyes of the Lord to kill another human being, whether the person is a baby in the womb of the mother or the child is out of the womb and alive. Murder is murder in the eyes of God. Not one of us has the right to take the life of another of our own choosing and then to excuse it away by declaring that the baby within the mother is just a body part of hers and not a real baby unless someone else does the murdering of her baby without her consent. Then all of a sudden her “body part” is a child separate from her.

And if we are people who make it our practice to commit such sins as this, or any other sinful addictive practice, and if we do not obey our Lord’s commandments under the New Covenant, then we do not have eternal life with God, regardless of what professions of faith in Jesus Christ we may profess with our lips. Those who commit murders, which includes abortions, and do not repent of their sins, and do not turn to follow Jesus in obedience to his commands, will not have eternal life with God.

[Matthew 15:19; Matthew 19:17-19; Mark 7:20-22; Mark 10:19; Romans 1:28-32; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:11; James 4:1-3; 1 John 3:12; Revelation 9:20-21; Revelation 21:8; Revelation 22:14-15]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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RileyG · Nov 11, 2024

IceJad said:
For what is it worth, IMHO Hollywood is built on the idea of dreams in the literal sense of it. Hollywood dreams like their REM sleep counterpart can disappear as easily as they come. However this dream can only exist on the foundation of a solid nation that is prosperous. Prosperity that are built by people whom your dad would term it "traditionally rich"; wealth accumulate through traditional jobs and entrepreneurship. Wealth that comes hard from proper tangible outputs. Arts can only blossom when the environment is stable and rich. Unfortunately Hollywood today seems dead set to destroy the foundation that their tree rooted itself in.

Well said, and I agree.

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