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GoldenKingGaze said:

The great lands of the Americas, named after Saint Emeric, Australia and NZ were conquested and colonized. Native people sometimes were able to accept the faith and civil ways, sometimes were not given a good opportunity... sometimes the tribes were genocided, or defeated and the women and children were forced into slavery.

Built on the land and from the immigration are great nations like the USA, with amazing medicine and quality of life, rights and freedoms, entertainment... But from millions of Native Americans there are now only about three hundred thousand, and the population is about three hundred and twenty million.

Australia when discovered by captain Cook, despite meeting such as Bennelong, was declared to be an uninhabited land.

The constitutions, civilizations, cities and rural works and great!
But does the end justify the means?

If you think yes, is that Christian?
If you think no, and were presented with another opportunity like the old colonists, would you take it?
Do you think God remembered the sins of the colonists, to the third and fourth generations, or were they right by God, acting in love for God?

Best regards.

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I think that you're mixing up all sorts of different groups,
who came to the Americas for different reasons.

This involves multiple definitions of what "Christian" means.
All sorts of people, beginning with Spanish wealth-hunters,
came to the Americas.

For those outside the Christian faith, anyone who comes from Europe,
is often called a "Christian". This is like calling the expanding warfare by the
Roman Empire, as "Christian".

These multiple definitions of "Christian" include merely cultural Christians,
who care little about the teaching of the Bible, or Jesus.

IF you take the position of criticizing the expansion of European trading
interests into the Americas (this often involved aspects of conquering and
plundering people, that involved policies that had almost nothing to do
with orthodox Christianity), you should also critically examine the conquests
of every every big cultural power in the history of mankind. These can hardly
be accurately called "Christian" conquests, yet these economic conquests
happened pretty much uninterupted throughout the history of mankind.

To have an intelligent, and historical discussion of why economic
conquest happens through history, and how those who plunder try to
justify their plundering, you really must get into the formal definition of
Christianity, and distinguish Christianity from all sort of cultural forms of
"Christianity".

Unfortunately, it is common in discussions that are about "colonization",
to speak as if this is a uniquely a Northern European phenomenon, and
when it is, to identify it as a type of economic plundering that is compatible
with Christianity. Many more topics need to be discussed, when talking about
"colonization". This includes a good discussion of what "property" and
"ownership" are, and whether or not they are compatible with the teachings
of Christianity.

Spiritual Jew said:

First of all, amillennialism is not the same as preterism.

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Hi, and appreciate your reply! Yes, I see your point and you're correct, but Preterism isn't necessairly a Christ-advent time line like the other three concerning His return. It just involves the concept that some or all prophecy has been fulfilled.

Spiritual Jew said:

Also, amillennialism is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church as you falsely implied.

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"The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches have long held amillennial positions, as has the Roman Catholic Church, which generally embraces an Augustinian eschatology and which has deemed that premillennialism "cannot safely be taught." Amillennialism is also common among Protestant denominations such as the Lutheran." (Wikipedia)

Spiritual Jew said:

Discussing which churches believe in these docrines is fairly pointless and doesn't have anything to do with determining which view is correct.

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Only one will will to be correct.

Spiritual Jew said:

Also, you said "Liberals also hold to amillennialism". What does that mean?

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I'm also not certain what the writer is meant by this.

Spiritual Jew said:

And, why is this thread in the Soteriology DEBATE forum? This topic relates to eschatology, not soteriology.

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I try to keep all my posts together in one place.

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Mike817 said:

Hi, this is the closest recent thread I've found for my question. Do you know of any books that have a greek transcription taken directly from a Septuagint source? I can't seem to find any other than buying an expensive facsimile. And anything I do find is using minuscule print instead of the uncial print it was written with. Do you know why that would be?

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Hi Mike, just saw your post now. Welcome to CF ❤️

What do you mean by a Septuagint source?

Pommer said:

Thanks for finding a video

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Oh you're quite welcome. It's my pleasure. Glad to clear up any misconceptions, lies, or propaganda that you might have been exposed to.

Pommer said:

“it’s not her full responsibility or job…”.

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Nope, but let's not get tunnel vision from the misconceptions, lies and propaganda that abound.

Let's not take one soundbite out of context; and run with propaganda induced bias. Let's look at the big picture in context. She had other responsibilities beside being the top authority for solving the border crisis.

"...there's about five other major things she's handling but I've asked her the VP today because she's the most qualified person to do it to lead our efforts..."

"...to stop what's happening..,"


"...but the vice presidents agree among the multiple other things that I have her leading..."

"...she's leading the effort because i think the best thing to do is to put someone who when he or she speaks they don't have to wonder about is that where the president is when she speaks she speaks for me doesn't have to check with me she knows what she's doing..."


I don't know what those other responsibilities were; but based on all of the other problems this administration has caused, I would say that she failed at all of them miserably.

Again, I'm grateful for having the opportunity to assist with clearing up any potential misconceptions. It's an honor.

In the middle of the night His love instructs me
He teaches me the way that I should go
He counsels me in every situation
And helps me understand what I don’t know

He whispers to me His truths, oh how gently
He lets me know what’s right and what is wrong
He gives to me a poem or devotion
And sometimes He gives to me a new song

I love the times I have with my Lord, Savior
I love to read His word and know His favor
I want to do the things He wants of me
I want to live with Him eternally

E’en though I’m old with many years advancing
He strengthens me so I can do His will
He gives me wisdom far beyond my stature
As I sit before Him quietly and still

An Original Work / November 17, 2022

In what ways are the nations raging and the people plotting in vain in our world today? Well, one of the biggest ways in which the nations are raging today is via war with one another. But over the past 20 years that the Lord has been teaching me what is going on in the world and in our nations, one thing I have learned is that what is being reported may not match with what is actually taking place. We cannot trust our government heads nor our news media to tell us the truth of what is literally going on between nations.

But the murdering of innocents, the persecution of Christians, the moral and spiritual decline of “the church,” the altering of the character of God and of his gospel message, the conquering of nations, and the confiscation of properties and natural resources for political gain are definitely what are happening. For the rule of the beast (Revelation 13) is definitely in process. Thus, trickery, deception, manipulations, deliberate misimpressions, and lies and liars abound in the government, media, and in “the church.”

Anything can be faked and altered and manipulated to look one way while it is actually the opposite. So just because we see it in a picture or a video or in a live performance, it does not necessitate that what we think we are seeing is actually what is taking place. So we have to be very cautious so that we don’t end up believing lies and not the truth. We must pray through everything and seek the counsel of the Lord and his guidance so that we do not fall into the traps of the devil and end up believing the lies, instead.

For one of the biggest ways in which the nations are raging and the people are plotting in vain against the Lord, and against those who are following him with their lives, is via deception. And if we put on blinders, and we choose to believe everything at face value without inquiring of the Lord, and without testing the spirits, we are ripe for being deceived, too. And I believe that many who profess faith in Jesus Christ are now following “pied pipers” to their deaths because they are embracing the lies and not the truth.


So, what’s this saying? God is definitely not threatened by these liars and deceivers and manipulators of truth who think that they can outsmart God, and who think that they can overcome him and his gospel message and his plans and purposes and his sovereign will. And he isn’t laughing because he thinks that what they are doing is funny, but because they think that they can outsmart God. For God views with contempt and scorn man’s weak attempts at rebellion against him and his futile efforts to conquer God.

But it isn’t just God the Father whom they oppose, but they oppose God the Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. And they oppose the true message of the gospel and all who follow Jesus Christ with wholehearted devotion to the Lord in seriousness of walks of faith and obedience to the Lord. And this opposition doesn’t have to be blatant and obvious. In fact, much of it is hidden and deceptive, which is the point. For Satan wants us to trust his messengers so that he can deceive us with his lies and false gospels.

But the warning here is first of all to all of these liars and deceivers who are conquering nations and peoples with their lies and with their trickery and with their wars and the murdering of innocents and the takeover of nations. And he is letting them know that he is God, and Jesus Christ is King, and God will have the final word in the matter, and he will judge them, and they will not escape his wrath. But he is also giving them a chance to change and to serve him with their lives if they would but submit to him as Lord.

But this warning also applies to all who profess the name of Jesus Christ, who are convinced that heaven is their eternal destiny, but who deny the Lord with their lifestyles. They honor him with their lips but not with their actions. For they have believed the liars and the lies which are telling them that a profession of faith in Jesus Christ “seals the deal” for them and that heaven is guaranteed them regardless of how they live. But Jesus said that to follow him we must deny self, die daily to sin, and obey his commands.

So, whether or not you are outwardly opposed to God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit – and to his gospel message, this message is for you. Don’t take God lightly nor his warnings to all of us written down in the Scriptures. Don’t think that you can just live however you want and that nothing bad will happen to you or that God will still let you into his heaven. Jesus said that not everyone saying to him, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the ones DOING the will of God the Father.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,15-17; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Rightly dividing the word of truth,
Speak to me, Lord, what You want to say.
Help me stay focused oh, Lord, on You
Throughout each hour of every day.

Counsel me, guide me in what to do.
Minister Your grace to me through and through.
Lead me to truth and to holiness.
Strengthen me, help me, my faith renew.

Help me to listen, Lord, carefully
To every word of Yours joyfully.
Teach me to love Your word prayerfully
And to obey You, Lord, reverently.

An Original Work / December 10, 2021

Who are the wicked in God’s sight? They are all who walk in sin, in deliberate and habitual acts of sinful rebellion against the Lord, who choose evil over good, and unrighteousness over righteousness, and pleasing the flesh over pleasing God. And they are all who do not walk in obedience to his commands, in practice, but who go their own way, instead, choosing their own choices, and doing their own will, and not choosing God’s choices and not doing his will. For they are still being ruled by the flesh.

And they could be many who profess faith in Jesus Christ, but not in truth, and not in righteousness, and not in walks of surrender and obedience to the Lord. For by God-persuaded faith in Christ Jesus we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to God and to his righteousness. So we are not to let sin reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it leads to death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it leads to righteousness, and its end is eternal life.

So we are not to seek the counsel of the ungodly, of those who do not know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and who are worldly minded and who are fleshly minded, and who do not have the mind of God. For they are those who are still dead in their sins, for whom sin is still their practice, and for whom righteousness, godliness, moral purity, and obedience to our Lord are not what they practice. So we are not to conduct our lives in the counsel of the wicked who would lead us away from our pure devotion to Jesus Christ.

Instead, we should trust in the counsel of the Lord and of His Word, especially the teachings of Jesus Christ and of his NT apostles, which are under the New Covenant relationship God’s people now have with him via genuine faith in the Lord Jesus. And our delight should be in the Lord and in his teachings, which we should meditate on day and night. And we should look to the Lord for wisdom and guidance in day to day living and in decision making so that we walk in the ways of the Lord and not in the flesh.

Our trust is to be in the Lord and in his Word and not in other humans who may or may not tell us the truth, and who may or may not give us godly counsel, and who may or may not be true to their word. And when our trust is in the Lord we can be steadfast in faith and in practice in doing the will of God and at peace in knowing that we are living lives which are pleasing to the Lord. And if we truly are being led by the Lord, we will be blessed in what we do and others will be blessed by our obedience, too.

But those who live wickedly, who walk in the ways of the flesh and of self-will, and not according to the will and purpose of God for our lives, they will suffer the judgment of God when he comes to judge the people of the world, and they will spend eternity in hell, and not in heaven, because they did not obey the Lord, in practice, but they still lived for the pleasures of the flesh. And it won’t matter if they profess faith in Jesus Christ, for they will be judged by their works (deeds), whether of God or of the flesh.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,15-17; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2]

Seek the Lord

An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Based off Isaiah 55

“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
And all of the trees clap their hands.”

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There were contributions, also. (Acts 5). Even a fish was used to provide the temple tax for Jesus and Peter ( Matt 17:27)

Later, Paul was with Aquila and his wife, Priscilla, who were all tentmakers. Of course, as usual, there are disagreements as to whether Paul continued in his trade.

In Israel,, one of the archeological digs found the oldest Christian prayer house in the world with a memorial noting that it was to
"God Jesus Christ" with a piece of furniture funded by a female.

mark46 said:

ROFL

Trump caved and accepted Democratic rules and sites. The arguing is over.

Of course, the rules are not equally fair to both sides. Why would a sitting president or VP offer that? They don't need the debates as much as a challenger.

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The scenario is painting her into a corner. She keeps demanding and challenging. He finally accepts but on his terms. She then does a turnabout and refuses.

Clare73 said:

Which is Scripture. . .

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Oh dear!

public hermit said:

He as a huge fan of Christians.

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That's what I've heard .....

Mine, is to believe in Jesus, and then IMPORTANT, be filled with the Holy spirit, that we need our pentecost too. And STAY filled.
After that, He is going to take you somewhere, treat with you, etc.

You could be a famous theologian that if you weren't filled with the Holy spirit, is not worth much how many books you can write.

I can see him as a type of Christ, a foreshadow, if you prefer, in Genesis 24.

Irregardless is an oxymoron.