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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

Sorry, the overwhelming amount of scripture devoted to the fact that salvation is not for all, vs. the few that speaks more to the nature of God’s heart rather than them being the deciding factor in salvation and outliers to the rest of God’s plan for salvation means that they are just as I claim. God wishes, because we are all God’s creation, that we could all come to salvation, but we are not all God’s children. And salvation is only for God’s children (the elect).

Try using passages you show, and explaining your interpretation. For what you say about not all being God's children, I say not all are in God's image. Yet there isn't anything shown for God's heart being distinct from what God does. Where is such a passage about God's heart? That is an imposed interpretation, and this is how one is so wrong about God, who they say creates those with no chance ever to have the happiness in eternity with God which God gives to others who do not do anything different. That is not good, yet I don't share that thinking. God is good, and better than that.

Genesis 1:31, God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.
Psalms 145:3, Great is Yahweh, and greatly to be praised! His greatness is unsearchable.
Isaiah 11:2-9, Yahweh’s Spirit will rest on him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh. His delight will be in the fear of Yahweh. He will not judge by the sight of his eyes, neither decide by the hearing of his ears; but he will judge the poor with righteousness, and decide with equity for the humble of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips he will kill the wicked. Righteousness will be the belt around his waist, and faithfulness the belt around his waist. The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat, the calf, the young lion, and the fattened calf together; and a little child will lead them. The cow and the bear will graze. Their young ones will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the ox. The nursing child will play near a cobra’s hole, and the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den. They will not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of Yahweh, as the waters cover the sea.
1 John 4:7-9, Love is of God; and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love. By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his only born Son into the world that we might live through him.
1 John 4:14-20, The Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God. We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him. In this, love has been made perfect among us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, even so we are in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love. We love him, because he first loved us. If a man says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
1 John 2:4-9, One who says, “I know him,” and doesn’t keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn’t in him. But God’s love has most certainly been perfected in whoever keeps his word. This is how we know that we are in him: he who says he remains in him ought himself also to walk just like he walked. love is of God; and everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. He who doesn’t love doesn’t know God, for God is love. By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his only born Son into the world that we might live through him.
2 Peter 3:9, The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but he is patient with us, not wishing that anyone should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Does anyone else have a friend like this?

So my family has a really close friend called Ricky, who for some reason thinks he is a ninja. Yes, you read that right. This man who is in his 50s thinks he is a ninja.

At first I thought it was hilarious. He gave us a lot of laughs, but then he began to tell other people stories of him being a ninja, which is actually embarrassing for me because none of his stories are actually true. He exaggerates them a lot. Most of them are lies. He bragged to my older sister that if Isis ever came after her he would save her! Um...that is really sweet of him, I guess? :sorry: But I know he doesn't actually have the training necessary to defend her! That is why this is not a joke and can be dangerous.

I mean, if he really wants to be a ninja I don't see why he can't be one. But lying and exaggerating about it? C'mon.

Do any of you have a strange friend like this? I know of one guy here on CF who thinks he is a Corgi! I always found him to be hilarious as well.

Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

Have you read Tom Holland's book Dominion? He actually describes secularism as a kind of outworking of certain Christian categories into history. But in the end, he seems to be gesturing towards secularism having reached a state of aporia or impasse. This kind of liberation no longer upholds any notion of sovereignty in the old, Enlightenment sense. Instead we are left increasingly with fragmented selves without coherent narratives to our lives.

There is definitely an element of potential trickster logic in the Gospels. The parables, the post-Resurrection appearances, these are all the kinds of nonlinear vision logic or dream-logic that are familiar to indigenous cultures that still consider tricksters sources of profound wisdom. Still, I'd be cautious about flattening the meaning of the atonement to just one particular register. And the principalities and powers that were defeated are not necessarily demons in the medieval theological sense, but more like the archons, principalities or egregores of empire . Empire still exsists, but now something new has been manifested to the world that goes against the utilitarian logic of empire and that speaks to a higher, transcendent logic.
I don't believe my model offers a flattened perspective. Rather than presenting a kaleidoscope of disparate atonement models, I view progressive disenchantment as a prism through which Christus Victor, satisfaction, substitution, moral influence, and the governmental dimension can all be refracted and understood in relation to one another.

I haven't read Holland's book, but I am aware that he interprets secularization as an outgrowth of Christianity itself.

I maintain that Paul's language about the principalities and powers must be understood as referring to demonic realities, even if earthly authorities can fall under their influence. This is essential to the kingdom model. The celestial kingdom is not a metaphor but a real domain, and it is the only true remedy for the darker consequences of secularization.

Without such a transcendent horizon, we should expect only further nihilism and corruption, to the point where our civilization risks collapse. The release of the Epstein files shows how deeply this corruption can run.
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EPSTEIN MOCKED CATHOLICS IN RELEASED FILES

At risk of being controversial, I must take issue with Jeffrey Epstein. Buried in the latest tranche of files released by the U.S. Department of Justice is a 2013 emailin which the alleged sex trafficker to the stars expresses his frustration with the approach to philanthropy taken by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Epstein complains to an interlocutor: “[C]an’t they come up with a better foundation structure and goal. [T]hen to make the ludicrous statement that every life is equal. [If] so then give each one the billion kids one dollar for food. [E]very year, save a billion lives. t is Catholicism at [its] worst.”

As endorsements go, the Vatican couldn’t have asked for better. Bill Gates, it is worth noting, is not a Catholic, though he told Rolling Stone in 2014: “We’ve raised our kids in a religious way; they’ve gone to the Catholic church that Melinda goes to and I participate in.” However, his foundation does claim to be “[g]uided by the belief that every life has equal value,” which certainly does sound like Catholic social teaching.

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Are the End Times near? Frank Turek's warning, revelation on why Second Coming is 'veiled'

As Christians ponder whether America is experiencing revival, apologist Frank Turek is digging a bit deeper, noting it's essential that people don't just get "spiritual renewal, but they become disciples."

He also addressed some of the confusion and date-setting that sometimes arises in theological discussions about the End Times.

“How do you make disciples? How do you make people that actually follow Jesus — not just people that say, 'I got fire insurance, I'm going to Heaven?'" he told The Bible Bros Podcast hosts Billy Hallowell and Dalton Harper. "Jesus didn't say, 'Come make believers.' He said, 'Come make disciples.' And that means carrying your cross and doing things that you might not normally want to do. It means denying yourself and following Him, and that's hard."

With so much spiritual activity underway, Turek was asked whether it's possible for both chaos and renewal to occur in the U.S. at the same time. This conversation gets especially interesting when it comes to speculation about the End Times.

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I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive...

Peace in Christ.

John wrote these things unto us who believe into the name….that is, the authority…of the Son of God. We who believe into the name/authority of the Son of God has now (present tense) an age-lasting life.

1Jn 5:13 KJV
(13) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have (present tense) eternal (AGE-LASTING) life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

But what do most Christians do?

They see themselves as “wise” and think it prudent to go and submit themselves under man’s authority…going to a man-based church rather than submit to the Lord (Supreme in authority) Jesus Christ who comes in the Father’s name/authority. Christ is the Head and we are complete in Him.

Seeing themselves as “wise,” they let a man exalt himself over them. They let a man bring them into bondage….subjecting themselves unto his church denominational ordinances contained in his church handwritings where they are serving the sin instead of dying to it. The life of Jesus is not found among them. There is no age-lasting life to be had by going to a man-based (man’s authority) church.

2Co 11:19-20 KJV
(19) For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

(20) For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

The Lord comes in His Father’s name/authority…..and yet, many receive one who comes in his own authority rather than the Lord’s.

Joh 5:43 KJV
(43) I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The false prophets say that they come in His name/authority and say that they are preaching the words of Christ and yet deceive MANY. Many receive them.

Mat 24:4-5
(4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

(5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am THE Christ; and shall deceive many.

Many receive those who come in their own name/authority and preach “another jesus” with another spirit and preach another gospel. They “bear well with him.” People reject the authority of the Lord Jesus, but will readily accept imposters...the falsely sent…the “chiefest apostles” (who are supposedly sent in His name/authority) and go to their “churches”.

“Apostle” means “sent.” Yet, these are false “apostles”….falsely sent.

2Co 11:3-5 KJV
(3) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

(5) For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

Let no man beguile you of your reward….an age-lasting life. A man’s handwriting of church ordinances/dogmas is not done in His authority but is a product of a puffed up fleshly-minded man.

Col 2:18-23 KJV
(18) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

A church handwriting of ordinances (statements of faith, church constitutions, by-laws, creeds, etc, etc, etc) are all from fleshly-minded men who do not hold the Head of Christ. They are not of His authority.

Why subject ourselves to a man-based church authority where they are serving their church handwritings….the commandments and doctrines of men?

(19) And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Beware of men who seek to deceive you into going to and submitting to a man-based church 's authority where they serve the transmissions of men....their church handwritings of ordinances...rather than submitting to Christ who is the Head of all principality and power. We are complete in Him. We do not need to submit to man's authority.

Col 2:8-10 KJV
(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
(9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

(10) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Yet, many think themselves as “wise” to do so…a show of wisdom in will worship....to go and humbly and solemnly submit themselves to man’s authority rather than the Father’s. It does nothing to save our mortal flesh in doing so. It neglects the body which should be saved if we submit to the Lord’s authority rather than man’s.

(23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

They…those who profess themselves as “wise”… go to a man-based church where they are serving their images…their handwritings of ordinances which are patterned like the nations around us. In doing so, they exchange His glory (that we are supposed to shine to this dark world) for an image made like corruptible man. His glory is not being seen among the man-based churches.

Rom 1:22-24 KJV
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

And we are unclean just by sitting together with them. We sin against our own mortal bodies by doing so. They defile our mortal flesh. We must come out from among them and be separate. This is our sanctification to come out from among the “dead” so that His glory light should shine through us.

(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

We are to no longer be partakers with them. What does light have in communion with darkness? We are to “awake” and arise OUT of the dead ones (plural) and Christ shall give us His light.

Eph 5:14 KJV

(14) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from (OUT OF) the dead (plural), and Christ shall give thee light.

Then we shall SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom/government of our Father. We shall have His name/authority written upon our foreheads.

Mat 13:41-43 KJV
(41) The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
(42) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

(43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Blessed is he that comes in the name/authority of the Lord

Gen. 6:4

Hello All,

Here following is a link for a scholarly study of the truth regarding the Giants in the Bible.

The Nephilim, or "Giants" of Genesis 6, Etc."


Here following is a link for a scholarly study of the truth regarding more info on the fall of angels.

"The Sons of God" in Genesis 6:2,4


Hope this helps!

Blessings,
Love Fountain
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Life as God Sees It

Why do our lives happen this way or that? Are they meaningless? No, everything is meaningful—radically so: every tree and stone is pregnant with meaning; every life is a story told or yet-to-be. We have at last, as we travel forward, a choice. In which light do we walk? The one that knows this forest as the only world? Or do we walk by a different light?

We Must Carry the Torch of Faith in Times of Crisis

In colonial days before the diocese was founded, the Faith was kept alive by the laity itself. Before there was even a regular traveling priest assigned to the region, Catholics held the torch by teaching, praying, and keeping the liturgical calendar in their homes and communities.

Becoming great in Heaven

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
We are told we will do greater works than Jesus because Jesus goes to the father......
Yes, in this life while have the Spirit of God in the interim. CFAN has accomplished this. 80,000,000 converts, hundreds healed in one night, 1,000,000 in one alter call born again.

But in the everlasting AceWestfall08?
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Swedenborgianism

At one time Swebenborg's teachings were surprisingly popular in the US, for instance, in early America. Hellen Kellor and John Chapman (Johnny Appleseed) were famous examples of individuals who claimed to follow Swedenborg's teachings.

Swebenborg's ideas are a mixture of provocative theology (for the time) that isn't all that problematic (salvation as a process of regeneration and not primarily doctrinal assent, judgement as simply being the human person's disposition known in light of divine truth), to flirting with serious Modalism in reducing the Trinity to different aspects of God's being.
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Evolution conflict and division

Also, I don't interpret Barbarian as disagreeing here, because I don't think that Barbarian is suggesting that ensoulment has to be an intervention distinguishable from ordinary biological causation, even though it is a divine act.

But he can share his thoughts.
I tend to agree. If you look at the development of belief it begins simple and rudimentary and develops into a sophisticated belief. To the point where humans can know God. Become spiritual.

It seems belief naturally evolved until the point where humans could have relation with God. Took on Gods image. Before that point belief was simple and not refined to be Gods image. Humans were not capable of knowing God in a way that the bible authors explain.

So maybe there was a point in the evolution of belief itself that became awakened so to speak in humans simply by the natural course of humans evolving their knowledge to a point they could take on the image of God. Out of all creation it was only humans who could achieve this.

This says something about consciousness as well. That conscious awareness increased and became God conscious. This transcends the physical evolution and into the spiritual.
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Mytho-History

I personally think there were [other humans back in Adam and Eve's time], and some verses imply that.

For instance, Cain is worried someone might kill him after they found out what he did. If he and his parents were the only people around at the time, who exactly was he afraid of? He also later goes on to found a city. How can you have a city with just three people at most? …

I'm curious as to what others think?

There is no explicit statement in the Bible that other people existed at the time of Adam and Eve, but there is clear indirect statements and indications.

For example, when Cain was banished from Eden to homeless wandering, he expressed fear: “Whoever finds me will kill me” (Gen 4:14). Notably, he does not use a kinship term like “brothers” (אַחִים, ʾāḥîm) or “house of my father” (בֵּית אָבִי, bêt ʾābî), but rather an open and indefinite “whoever” (כּל, kôl). He is not worried about revenge from his family but the vulnerability of exile, of no longer belonging to God’s protected community. He is not afraid of remaining among kin, but about being cast out from among them. So, God reassures him that divine protection will follow him in exile, such that Cain will be avenged sevenfold if anyone kills him (v. 15).

A similar pressure emerges when we consider the world in which Abraham lived—a world of cities, kingdoms, and civilizations stretching from Uruk in Sumer to the Longshan culture in China. The global population was roughly 25 million people, about 4 million of which lived in Mesopotamia and the surrounding Near East alone. Attempting to derive that world from just eight people in only 300 years misses the demographic target by nearly three orders of magnitude. From the Flood to Abraham, the young-earth creationist model comes in about 500 times too low. The picture coheres, however, if we carry forward the population implied already in Cain’s fear, treating the biblical genealogies as covenantal lineages (which a redemptive-historical hermeneutic would have us do) rather than exhaustive census records.

This also entails denying a global Flood with a universal biological bottleneck, but there are a lot of good reasons for doing that—textual, theological, scientific, historical—and rather poor reasons to keep it, which is why it’s basically just young-earth creationists who believe it.

(One also must keep in mind that the population of Egypt during the Exodus—often given as ~1450 BCE—was around 2 million. One's population growth rate must take that into account.)

Edited to add: I am reading a new book, The Generations of Heaven and Earth by Jon Garvey (2020), and he adds an interesting piece of indirect biblical evidence for non-Adamic humans, evidence I had not considered before. In this chapter, “Where Are All the People in Genesis,” he details nine pieces of evidence—some of which mirrors what I’ve argued here—but the one that struck me regarded Genesis 4:26, “At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.”

“Which men would those be?” he asks rhetorically. In Genesis, the expression “calling on the name of the Lord” is covenantal language typically denoting formal worship, often in a sacrificial context. Its appearance in connection with Seth’s line should therefore be jarringly unexpected. His parents had known Yahweh face to face, and his older brothers had worshipped him with offerings. It is quite unlikely, then, that Seth’s family were those who “began” to call upon the name of the LORD. Garvey argues that this verse “appears to suggest that some outsiders began to worship Yahweh, either under his covenant name or at least in substance.”
Now the introduction of outsiders to Yahweh, like the growth of population recorded in these chapters, would actually be a limited fulfilment of the commission that God had always intended for Adam, and so it has a logical place in the unfolding story. This mission was impaired, but not cancelled, by the Fall, just as the parallel commission of Israel, marred from the start by the rebellion at Mount Sinai, nevertheless moved forward under the hand of God.

Greg Beale deals with this at length in A New Testament Biblical Theology, tracing the commission down through its various bearers from Noah onwards, and writes:

After Adam’s sin, the commission would be expanded to include renewed humanity’s reign over unregenerate human forces arrayed against it. Hence, the language of “possessing the gate of their enemies” is included, which elsewhere is stated as “subduing the land …”​

Such an understanding takes what is otherwise both a curious and (in the absence of an outside population) incomprehensible snippet of information and ties it into the whole missiological purpose of Genesis, the Torah, and indeed the whole Bible. Adam’s people are damaged goods, but God’s word was not spoken in vain. But in order for this to be the case, we need to see and acknowledge the “invisible” population surrounding the new-creation population which Yahweh has seeded into the world. Somehow people began to perceive the Lord through this family—perhaps through intermarriage, even—and to call on the name of the Lord.

Paul tells us that “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Perhaps this verse includes some of the very first followers of Christ in history.

Jon Garvey, The Generations of Heaven and Earth: Adam, the Ancient World, and Biblical Theology (Eugene, OR: Cascade Books, 2020).
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Understanding the Antichrist

“Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour… Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:18,22 NASB1995)
“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.” (Matthew 24:24 NASB1995)

What if the antichrist, in claiming to be God, doesn’t actually verbalize the words, “I am God”? But his claim is more in how he presents himself as though he is God, as though he is a supreme being to be worshipped above all else, who has golden statues of himself made and put on display for the world to see. For he is egotistical, loud mouthed, hateful, blasphemous, arrogant, immoral, and crude, and he boasts of how great he is and of all his many accomplishments, and how he is better than everyone else. For he thinks he owns the whole world, and that the world should all bow to him.

For, remember, he is a man of deception and trickery. And remember how the Scriptures describe false teachers/prophets as those who are “wolves in sheep’s clothing.” What if the antichrist, in order to fool the people of the world, disguises himself as a Christian, and as one who believes in Jesus and in the one true God of this world? And what if he fakes worship of Jesus and the one true God in order to deceive Christians into thinking he is one of them so that they will follow him? For they will assume a profession of faith constitutes genuine faith in Jesus, and then he will have their support.

And what if “taking his seat in the temple of God” (see Revelation 13:1-10), has to do with him faking Christianity in order to place himself in a position of superiority within the gatherings of the church, i.e. among all who profess faith in Jesus Christ? And so the majority (perhaps) of those who claim to be Christians end up following him blindly, almost in a worshipful way, as though he is a god to be worshipped and/or as though he was sent by God as some kind of a “savior” for all of mankind, who can do no wrong. And so they believe everything he says, and support him no matter what.

So, you say, the antichrist is the one who denies the Father and the Son, which is true (1 John 2:22). But then how do you think he will deceive even the elect? Certainly the elect will not be fooled by someone who verbally denies God the Father and God the Son, Jesus Christ. But he is a deceiver who disguises himself, initially, in order to gain followers, just like the “wolves in sheep’s clothing.” For denying Christ doesn’t have to be verbal at all if one denies him by their lifestyles, by their words, their deeds, their actions, and their behaviors. Many who profess Jesus deny him in action.

And this is where it gets interesting. In Revelation 13 we read about two beasts, one coming out of the sea, and another from the earth. And this second beast (with two heads, which I believe could be representative of the church in a marriage relationship with the government, i.e. the institutional church) makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. So what if a false prophet who also claims to believe in Jesus, who is highly regarded in the Christian community, is promoting this first beast, which is then getting “Christians” to follow him?

We have to not have blinders on so that we miss all of what is happening in our present age in fulfillment of the prophesies of the Scriptures, so that we end up worshipping the beast instead of (in place of) God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit. For there is so much deception going on in our day. So many liars and deceivers and wolves in sheep’s clothing all over the place teaching lies to the people and convincing so many to believe the lies and to reject the truth of the gospel taught by Jesus and his New Testament apostles, taught in the correct biblical context, and not out of context.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

So, please understand that the antichrist is not going to be obvious. Otherwise he loses his power to deceive. But also realize that the Scriptures teach that there are many antichrists and that all who deny Jesus as the Christ (in action, not just in words) are the antichrist. So the antichrist (one person or many people or a group of people) is not going to be wearing a sign saying, “I am the antichrist.” So don’t assume you are going to easily spot him, for even the elect will be deceived by false christs and false prophets who claim to be speaking for God, in his name (Matthew 24:24).

[Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 24:11-24; Luke 6:26; John 10:1-15; Romans 16:17-19; 2 Corinthians 11:3,13-15; Ephesians 4:11-16; Philippians 3:2; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 1 Timothy 6:3-10; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 1 John 2:18-22; 1 John 4:1-6; 2 John 1:7; Jude 1:1-25]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger


Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
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Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

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You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
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Understanding the Antichrist
An Original Work / February 11, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

The Seed

I'm happy that he looked up to his father and sees him as his hero. Hopefully that will carry him through his disappointment as he discovers how wrong his father was about certain topics.

I doubt he could ever see disappointment in his fathers hundreds of videos he made, I can't see how he ever could as his father was a truther & the comments below the video prove this.
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