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Sorry, the overwhelming amount of scripture devoted to the fact that salvation is not for all, vs. the few that speaks more to the nature of God’s heart rather than them being the deciding factor in salvation and outliers to the rest of God’s plan for salvation means that they are just as I claim. God wishes, because we are all God’s creation, that we could all come to salvation, but we are not all God’s children. And salvation is only for God’s children (the elect).
But I know he doesn't actually have the training necessary to defend her! That is why this is not a joke and can be dangerous.I don't believe my model offers a flattened perspective. Rather than presenting a kaleidoscope of disparate atonement models, I view progressive disenchantment as a prism through which Christus Victor, satisfaction, substitution, moral influence, and the governmental dimension can all be refracted and understood in relation to one another.Have you read Tom Holland's book Dominion? He actually describes secularism as a kind of outworking of certain Christian categories into history. But in the end, he seems to be gesturing towards secularism having reached a state of aporia or impasse. This kind of liberation no longer upholds any notion of sovereignty in the old, Enlightenment sense. Instead we are left increasingly with fragmented selves without coherent narratives to our lives.
There is definitely an element of potential trickster logic in the Gospels. The parables, the post-Resurrection appearances, these are all the kinds of nonlinear vision logic or dream-logic that are familiar to indigenous cultures that still consider tricksters sources of profound wisdom. Still, I'd be cautious about flattening the meaning of the atonement to just one particular register. And the principalities and powers that were defeated are not necessarily demons in the medieval theological sense, but more like the archons, principalities or egregores of empire . Empire still exsists, but now something new has been manifested to the world that goes against the utilitarian logic of empire and that speaks to a higher, transcendent logic.
later deleted a post referring to the Armenian genocide
Why do our lives happen this way or that? Are they meaningless? No, everything is meaningful—radically so: every tree and stone is pregnant with meaning; every life is a story told or yet-to-be. We have at last, as we travel forward, a choice. In which light do we walk? The one that knows this forest as the only world? Or do we walk by a different light?
In colonial days before the diocese was founded, the Faith was kept alive by the laity itself. Before there was even a regular traveling priest assigned to the region, Catholics held the torch by teaching, praying, and keeping the liturgical calendar in their homes and communities.
Yes, in this life while have the Spirit of God in the interim. CFAN has accomplished this. 80,000,000 converts, hundreds healed in one night, 1,000,000 in one alter call born again.Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
We are told we will do greater works than Jesus because Jesus goes to the father......
Its eye opening to say the least...Lord have mercy!
I tend to agree. If you look at the development of belief it begins simple and rudimentary and develops into a sophisticated belief. To the point where humans can know God. Become spiritual.Also, I don't interpret Barbarian as disagreeing here, because I don't think that Barbarian is suggesting that ensoulment has to be an intervention distinguishable from ordinary biological causation, even though it is a divine act.
But he can share his thoughts.
I personally think there were [other humans back in Adam and Eve's time], and some verses imply that.
For instance, Cain is worried someone might kill him after they found out what he did. If he and his parents were the only people around at the time, who exactly was he afraid of? He also later goes on to found a city. How can you have a city with just three people at most? …
I'm curious as to what others think?
Now the introduction of outsiders to Yahweh, like the growth of population recorded in these chapters, would actually be a limited fulfilment of the commission that God had always intended for Adam, and so it has a logical place in the unfolding story. This mission was impaired, but not cancelled, by the Fall, just as the parallel commission of Israel, marred from the start by the rebellion at Mount Sinai, nevertheless moved forward under the hand of God.
Greg Beale deals with this at length in A New Testament Biblical Theology, tracing the commission down through its various bearers from Noah onwards, and writes:
After Adam’s sin, the commission would be expanded to include renewed humanity’s reign over unregenerate human forces arrayed against it. Hence, the language of “possessing the gate of their enemies” is included, which elsewhere is stated as “subduing the land …”
Such an understanding takes what is otherwise both a curious and (in the absence of an outside population) incomprehensible snippet of information and ties it into the whole missiological purpose of Genesis, the Torah, and indeed the whole Bible. Adam’s people are damaged goods, but God’s word was not spoken in vain. But in order for this to be the case, we need to see and acknowledge the “invisible” population surrounding the new-creation population which Yahweh has seeded into the world. Somehow people began to perceive the Lord through this family—perhaps through intermarriage, even—and to call on the name of the Lord.
Paul tells us that “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Perhaps this verse includes some of the very first followers of Christ in history.
I'm happy that he looked up to his father and sees him as his hero. Hopefully that will carry him through his disappointment as he discovers how wrong his father was about certain topics.