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God. If it's a title, why can't I have it?

Because you're not all knowing, all powerful, able to be everywhere at the same time, eternal or perfect.

God has many names; El Shaddai, Adonai, Jehovah, Jehovah-Jireh, Jehovah Elohiym, Jehovah M'Kaddesh, Jehovah Nissi, Shepherd, healer, Lord, Abba and so on. Each describes an aspect of his character.

What's your point?
And in 1 Cor 12:12 we are one BODY in CHRIST //

And in 1 Cor 12:15 we are. CHRIST FOOT

In verse 16 we are HIS EAR

IN. verse 17 we are HIS EYE 'S and are his HEARING. and HIS SENSE OF SMELL.

So we are CHRIST , now about that IF you ARE part of the BODY of . CHRIST ONLY !!

And and this what the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES is just. one thing that. he teaches SAVED BY GRAVE

IN. ROM 10:9B ANDB 10 AND IN EPH 2:8. !!

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hello to everyone

Just a brief introduction about myself. I am not sure if I was a previous member or not? But anyways I was saved at the age of 19 - but have attended Sunday school since I was about 6 years of age. I first acknowledged God at the age of 12 when I beheld his creation one morning walking along the footpath with my sibling brother. From there I held bible studies at home at the age of 17 but realized they were JW's and stopped them from coming in time. The Jesus facto however became reality a few years later! and I am now approaching 63 years of age. By the grace of God I still stand today; and my background is i have served in evangelism, and on the the mission field, and have openly preached behind pulpits in Sunday services and prayer meetings also, I have conducted open air evangelism on the streets and in high schools to the unsaved. I am a graduate ✔️ of full-time Bible college and graduated with paper in hand and I feel by Gods grace i have somewhat to contribute and share my experiences and also my current understanding of the scriptures. Sometimes I write with great sharpness, but that is intended for edification and never to anyone's destruction! Anyways a brief introduction and hello to every one
Welcome to CF. Looking forward to hearing some of your postings.
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A Calvinist perspective on the Parable of the Sower (Matt 13)

Good day, Jonas

The best NT scholar in MHO that handles the Parables would be DA Carson..

There are many web links for DA Carson on the Parable of the soils that you may find helpful.

His excellent work on "Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament" is a must have.

In Him,

Bill
Good day Bill,

I couldn't find an analyse from D. A. Carson, but here is what Matthew Henry had to say about the stony soil: no root means no union by faith to Christ our root. Such people are pleased by the word of God, and it makes some effects in them, but it doesn't rule or transform them. As for the outside, changes happen quickly (comp. v.5b), but there is no change in the inside (comp. Matt. 23:25-16). Such people are also like the man that started building a tower without first counting the costs, so that he couldn't finish it (Lk 14:28-29), altough he may have been very quick and enthousiastic to start the work!

That's enough for me to conclude, that with the sprouting and the springing up of the seed, Jesus didn't want to illustrate for us the new birth, but the effects of the word of God in the hearts of the 3 different categories of its hearers that have at least some degree of reception of it, but may or may not produce fruit at the end. What is highlighted in the illustration of the wheat without fruit, and of the clouds without water in Jud. 1:12, is the possessing of the form of godliness while lacking the power thereof (II Tim. 3:15).
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Nayerah. Iranian prisoner of faith.

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NAYEREH ARJANEH​

IRAN​

On July 7, 2025 Nayereh Arjaneh and her husband Qasem Esmaili were arrested at their home for attending a Christian seminar in Turkey. She was initially released on bail and later convicted of “promoting deviant propaganda and teachings contrary to Islamic law” and “providing financial and material support to groups affiliated with Zionist Christianity.”

Nayereh received five years in prison for each offense, plus two years internal exile in Kerman province and a two year travel ban. She is serving both sentences concurrently. Her husband received a prison sentence of three years and six months but has been given permission to delay his prison term as he is currently undergoing chemotherapy.

Nayereh began serving her 10-year sentence in December 2025.

Semnan Central Prison
Semnan Province
Region 1
Iran
SAMPLE LETTERS TO PRISONERS


Please DO
Write in English and write as neatly as you are able to. Your letter must be legible to be translated (Many people study English, so there will often be someone to translate your letter).
  • Express your Christian love and tell them that you are praying for them (then do!) They, in turn, will be praying for you!
  • Keep your letter brief and loving – one page is enough.
  • Include Bible verses.
  • Hand write the address on envelopes accurately and mark it AIRMAIL; make sure the postage is correct.
  • You may include a snapshot of yourself, your family or your prayer group if you want to make your letter even more personal and special.


Please DON'T
Do not write about politics or criticise the government.
  • Never mention the source of your information or the name of any organisation such as Voice of the Martyrs. It is not dangerous for a prisoner to receive letters from an individual, but if an organisation is mentioned, they may be accused of links with “foreign organisations” and receive even harsher sentences.
  • Use words that might imply some kind of hidden activity e.g. “thank you for the Christian work that you have done in Vietnam” might imply that the prisoner had done some covert work for a foreign organisation to subvert the government.
  • Build up hopes and expectations of prisoners – and likewise, don’t make any offer of help unless you intend to act on it!
  • Use religious jargon, sermonize, or be presumptuous about the prisoner’s situation, needs or feelings.
  • Quote verses which refer to war, fighting, armour, weapons (eg ‘the sword of the spirit’, ‘fighting the good fight of faith’, ‘the armour of God’ etc).

WHY WATER BAPTISIM HAD TO GO AWAY ??

It does not say: “Jesus spoke in the ears of Peter”, but he remembered and Jesus said the Spirit would give them a wonderful memory.
The steps of a righteous man are ordered of the Lord. It would seem that he was reminded of what Jesus said in Acts 1 about Johns past water baptism right when the Gentiles were coming in. This is telling.it would seem that Peter was in some respect still following Johns water baptism. But it also looks like he was not needed to do this. And the Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved and filled with the Spirit and saved by grace before any water baptism.
We agree when Paul says in 1 Cor. 1 “he is glade in he did not baptize more”, he was referring specifically to water baptism.
But the point to notice is that he thanked God he baptized so few. If water baptism was as important as some make it he should have baptized everyone who got saved in Corinth.But he told them the gospel he preach abnd they believed was not connected to water baptism in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.when the baptism issue became an issue Paul says “besides” .. all this baptism talk. He pushes it aside and he even says that the cross of Christ could be made if none effect by men seeking to add a old testament ritual of water baptism to the gospel, and have all sorts of words to explain how a ritual is needed .But Paul says, not with the wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. The cross is against all works of the flesh and manuscripts to justify themselves.

Paul said similar in Galatians 6 about circumcision how sone constrained them to do it lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Yet Paul did baptize some people in Corinth (household of Stephanas, Crispus and Gaius)
Crispys was a Jew as we read

Acts 18: 8. And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.”

The other two may have been Gentiles there is some discussion about Stephany’s possibly being a Jew in the region.

But. These were early in the church when the Jewish issues were still strong and the Gentiles coming into the church were connected to the Jews. It seems Paul had a revelation about water baptism not being needed for him to do later. Paul also circumcised Timothy in Acts 16 even though he was not sent to circumcise. Don’t seems he condescended to the times they were in.

Paul also went into the temple with the Christian Jews in Acts 21 and there were still keeping all the law and sacrificing animals etc and keeping the customs
and these are not Hebrew names and there seemed to be very few Jewish Christians in Corinth and Paul seems to be addressing only Gentiles in Corinth. Paul also gave the specific reason: “so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.” And, Paul did not give the reason: “Because water baptism is not needed or was it wrong”. Paul talks a whole lot about Jewish rituals especially: Jewish Dietery requirements, circumcision and Sabbath days, but never mentions the Gentile were not to be water Baptized.
Paul did say that the Gentiles we’re not to be circumcised in Galatians 2 referring to Titus who was not a Jew but he did go along for a time with the Jewish believers when he circumcised Timothy in Acts 16 so as not to offend them.

I see water baptism similar Paul saw the Jewish custom and following diverse washings and carnal ordinances for a time . But when it became an issue (as circumcision did) he stood against it.
Your not addressing the issue, the bible does not say: “Peter thought he was baptizing them into Jesus Christ, with water baptism, but was not”.
Peter in that sane chapter seemed to argue with God a
Again! I am not saying the water saved them, God does that.
Maybe you’re not saying that but many many do. Many may even say “oh, no, water baptism is not needed for salvation, but you must do it or rise we would doubt your salvation.
We know for certain Gentiles were water baptized.
And the Jewish believers were trying to make the Gentiles come under the law and live like the Jews. But Paul had to withstand this.

Galatians 2: 14. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?”
I agree at least some Jewish Christians were trying to get the gentile Christians to become Jews to be Christians and this might have gone on even a little after 70 AD, but Gentile and Jewish Christians were water Baptized and that is not specifically shown to be wrong.
Some among them also tried to get the Gentiles to be circumcised and keep the whole law to be saved and this was disputed much later in Acts 15, many many years after Pentecost.

Acts 15: 5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.”

So, what I see is that Paul was aware of this tension and do as not to offend the Jews he went along with some of the rituals and other things for a time. This would remove a barrier of him working among them in ministry. But when baptism was becoming more than it was in the old. Covenant and among the diverse washings and carnal ordinances that were to pass sway in the tone of reformation? He took issues and he did similarly with circumcision as is evident in scripture.
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Commercial dog food contains ‘alarming’ levels of lead, mercury and other contaminants

Samples of popular commercial dog foods contained “dangerous levels” of heavy metals, plastic contaminants, and acrylamide, a cancer-causing compound created when food is subjected to high heat, according to a new investigation.

“The levels of heavy metals and other contaminants we found were alarming,” said Molly Hamilton, the executive director of Clean Label Project, which conducted the investigation. The Colorado-based nonprofit tests consumer products for purity and offers manufacturers a certified label if their commodities meet strict standards.

“Pet owners care for their dogs as deeply as parents care for their children,” Hamilton said. “They should be able to buy dog food without worrying it might harm their pet.”

Dog foods contained three to 13 times more heavy metals than human food tested over the past decade by Clean Label Project, according to the report. The levels are similar to those found in prior research done by veterinarian Dr. Joseph Wakshlag, a professor and nutritional specialist at Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine in Ithaca, New York.

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An aspiring rapper is accused of throwing acid in a woman’s face. Prosecutors say his music video helped incriminate him

Nafiah Ikram was in the driveway of her home on New York’s Long Island one evening when she felt someone rush up behind her. A liquid splashed her in the face.

She screamed for her father.

“I started … panicking. I was like, ‘Dad, someone threw something in my face!’ Ikram said following the attack in Elmont, New York. “And he was like, ‘Oh my God, it’s acid.’ ”

It was March 17, 2021. The sulfuric acid scorched Ikram’s face, neck and chest, and permanently blinded her right eye, requiring numerous surgeries and reconstructive grafts.

For nearly five years, as she navigated the physical and emotional aftermath of the surprise attack, the case went unsolved. Her mysterious assailant, who fled in a red Nissan Altima, remained unknown.

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U.S. Armada Deployed: Trump Moves Massive Fleet Into the Gulf

Second U.S. aircraft carrier is being sent to the Middle East, AP source says

WASHINGTON — The United States will send the world’s largest aircraft carrier [Gerry Ford] to the Middle East to back up another already there, a person familiar with the plans said Friday, putting more American firepower behind President Trump’s efforts to coerce Iran into a deal over its nuclear program.
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‘Hellgate’: Kirk Cameron Says He ‘Caught Hell’ Over Eternal Conscious Torment Debate

I dunno, I'm kind of a simple man and one thing I've found over the years is that if the Christian community has a term for what appears to be abhorrent doctrine/theology and there's loads of scripture disproving it, one should be very careful what they do with it. I go back to the scriptures and they clearly state that the unsaved are in torment for eternity. That's pretty clear to me and, if you have to engage in extreme mental/spiritual/scriptural gymnastics to prove your belief, I'm going to say good luck and God bless and be on my way. ymmv
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Why Threaten Greenland And Insult One Of Our Best Allies?

I've been away for while and for good reason. I'm back now and I'll offer this. What are the "ten horns" in Revelation?
And is it at all possible DJT is on board with the NWO? Just something to think about.
I apologize if someone else has offered this up.
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How the U.S. Oil Blockade Is Impacting Cuba

Of course.

...but somehow, the Cuba regime has held on for 60+ years....in part due to other states propping up it's economy and in part due to the policies of the United States. Had we removed our economic embargo decades ago, I think the regime would have followed. As you noted, the Cuban regime was not willing to adopt elements of capitalism (China, Viet Nam, etc).
That’s a good argument. It is possible that if the US would have lifted the embargo back in the 60’s that maybe it would have turned up differently. In fact, if Kennedy would have received Castro as a head of state maybe Castro would not have asked the USSR for help and communism never would have taken hold. Lots of ifs though.
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Canada school shooting latest: 12-year-old victim clinging to life as mother says family ‘needs a miracle’


Jesse Strang, the Tumbler Ridge mass killer

A few years back, the trans community and their allies erupted with fury at Matt Walsh for re-posting this, with the comment “I told you so”:

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Richfield Minnesota Police Arrest, Release 2 dozen protesters at Target Amid ICE Demonstrations

Oh their polices changed. Target faced a boycott from parents and concerned citizens over their DEI policies, based on what children saw in the aisles and also what was being marketed to children. Target scaled back their DEI policies. Then they were threatened with a boycott from the DEI crowd. They are very much caught in the middle. More recently they have changed their customer policies towards all, working more to give a friendlier image and engage people.

Their policies towards LGBT persons haven't changed. They are still an equal-opportunity employer and still committed to non-discrimination in service.
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California governor signs $90M 'emergency' funding bill for Planned Parenthood, abortion providers

Gov. Gavin Newsom's wife slams media for ignoring 'war on women'

A press conference to mark the signing of a bill that grants $90 million in “emergency” funding for Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers was nearly derailed after California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s wife linked the media with a “horrific war on women.”

The incident occurred during the signing of Senate Bill 106, which was introduced by state Sen. John Laird, D-Santa Cruz, in response to the Trump administration’s efforts to defundPlanned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion services provider. Following the passage of President Donald Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill,” Planned Parenthood warned it would have no choice but to close as many as a third of its 600 facilities across the United States.

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Breaking: Venezuela attacked by U.S. Update: Maduro and wife captured.

Hegseth's Caribbean adventure is apparently over....for now:

WASHINGTON, Feb 13 (Reuters) - The Pentagon is sending an aircraft carrier from the Caribbean to the Middle East, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, a move that would put two carriers in the region as tensions soar between the United States and Iran.


https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...id-iran-tensions-us-media-reports-2026-02-13/
“The pace of repression outstrips our ability to understand it....It is easier to hide behind forty atrocities than a single incident.” -- Karis Nemik

What Karis Nemik means is that oppressive systems cannot pause. If repression slows, people notice it, analyze it, and begin to resist. Therefore, the regime must increase the tempo of control, punishment, and intrusion. As the pace accelerates, oppression becomes normalized through sheer volume -- atrocities blur together and lose individual salience.

But if oppression survives by speed, that same speed guarantees its eventual failure. Speed leads to overreach, overreach produces mistakes, mistakes create visible injustice, which fuels resistance.
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IF (conditional) our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved...

Peace in Christ.

“Mortal” = (of living beings, esp human beings) subject to death.

Being “mortal” means we are subject to death but are still living. A “mortal” has not died but is subject to death.

We are to be changed from “mortal” (our body which had not died) to immortal at the “last trump”….which is the last day of this age. We will have had an age-lasting life in this mortal body until then. This change is the "redemption of the body" that we are to earnestly expect. We do not mortally die while we WAIT for it.

Those Christians who had mortally perished (the “corruptible”) shall then be raised unperishable. They mortally died but because they believed in Christ, they will be resurrected AT the last day of this age. In the meantime, they are considered "asleep" because their death is only age-lasting for God will bring them back with Christ at the resurrection of the dead.

We have 2 groups (the dead and the living) of Christians being talked about here in 1 Corinthians 15.

The “dead” who mortally perished shall be resurrected AT the last day unperishable (the resurrection of the dead) and the “living” who had not mortally died (having an age-lasting life until then) who shall be changed from mortal to immortal.

The living were “mortal”….being subject to death but still living (having an age-lasting life) until that moment.

1Co 15:52-55 KJV
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

When the living….the mortals who had an age-lasting life…are changed into immortal, they will be no longer “subject to death” as death shall be swallowed up in victory.

(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

While we have an age-lasting life, we are to be earnestly desiring for this mortal body to be clothed with immortality. We will then be clothed upon with our house which is OUT of heaven (because we will still be here in this earth for the next coming age) We shall then no longer be “subject to death” as death shall then be completely swallowed up of life. There will then be no possibility at all to die. The possibility is there as long as we are still “mortal” while we have an age-lasting life. (Matthew 10:28 )

2Co 5:2-8 KJV
(2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from (OUT OF) heaven:
(3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.


In this tabernacle we do groan. We want our “mortality” to be swallowed up of life. Notice death is not mentioned here at all as this applies to the living who have an age-lasting life.

(4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
(5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

We are given the earnest of the Spirit while we wait for the redemption of our mortal bodies.

Being at “home in the body” applies to being mortal. To be present with the Lord applies to being made immortal.

(6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
(7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

(8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

IF…IF…..IF (a conditional particle) our earthly house this tabernacle is dissolved, we have a building of God AGE-LASTING IN the heavens. Those who perish in their mortal bodies are given an AGE-LASTING home IN the heavens where they die and go to. It is only AGE-LASTING ...and it is IN the heavens and not OUT of the heavens a mentioned 2nd Corinthians 5:2 .

2Co 5:1 KJV
(1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal (AGE-LASTING) in the heavens.

IF our earthly house (our mortal body( is dissolved, it is only AGE-LASTING as the corruptible will be raised incorruptible at the end of this age. Those whose earthly house were dissolved shall be brought with Him at the end of this age. They are only “asleep” as they have departed from this earth for the duration of this age. Those who sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him back to earth and given a body as determined by Him. They will be resurrected AT the last day of this age...being given a body as determined by Him. 1 Corinthians 15:38 .

Concerning them which are "asleep" = those believers in Christ who mortally perished. They believed in Christ but were led astray by false prophets to their mortal deaths.

1Th 4:13-15 KJV
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

We “which are alive and remain” are the “living” who will never die throughout this age unto the coming of the Lord. They will remain here in this earth until the resurrection of the dead who had mortally perished.

(15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Christ BOTH died and rose and revived so that He might be Lord of BOTH the dead (those who Christians who mortally perished…who “sleep” in Him) and the living…..those who will NEVER DIE mortally but will live to the very end of this age where they will be changed from mortal to immortal (the redemption of the body).

Rom 14:7-9 KJV
(7) For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
(8) For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

(9) For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Those who are alive and remain....the living.... WAIT here in this earth until the redemption of their body….the change from mortal to immortal. We do NOT DIE while we wait for the redemption of our mortal bodies.

Rom 8:23 KJV
(23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

We are sealed in this mortal body....the earnest...UNTO the day of redemption which happens at the very end of this age. We have an age-lasting life until then. We shall never die until we are changed from mortal to immortal thereby circumventing death completely in Christ.

Eph 4:30
(30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
(31) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

(32) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

Father of three Marines beaten by masked federal agents, set to be released from immigration facility

The father of three U.S. Marines who was violently tackled and beaten by masked federal agents in Orange County is scheduled to be released on bond after spending 20 days in federal custody.

Mexican father of 3 U.S. Marines in California gets deportation reprieve

A federal immigration judge has ended the deportation case against Narciso Barranco, the Mexican father of three U.S. Marines whose arrest on video showing masked federal agents pinning him down and punching him outside an IHOP in Southern California went viral last year.

Rigo Hernandez, 44, told The Times that the judge terminated his stepfather’s case during a virtual hearing on Jan. 28.

At the time [of the arrest], the Department of Homeland Security denied Barranco’s shoulder had been dislocated and blasted him on social media, accusing him of assaulting federal law enforcement with the weed whacker.

But ... no charges were ever filed against him.

During his father’s hearing last month, Hernandez felt anxious, he said, as the judge listened to arguments from attorneys representing his father and the Department of Homeland Security. But he started to feel slightly better as the judge’s questions started to lean in favor of his father.

Since the ruling, Hernandez said, his father no longer has to wear an ankle monitor or check in with federal immigration officials. The ruling also means he’ll be able to get his bond money back.

“He still has to settle his legal status,” he said. “But this clears the way for that.”

...his father’s attorney petitioned for him to be put into a federal program [Parole in Place] that allows immediate family members of U.S. citizens or military service members to temporarily remain in the country and apply for a work visa.

Barranco’s attorney, Lisa Ramirez, said it was the Parole in Place program that ultimately helped convince the judge that his case should be dropped.
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The origin of the Left and Right in politics.

The actual divide is between those who see God as the ultimate moral authority and those who see man as the ultimate authority. The video is somewhat over simplified, but it is not far off. However, the division goes all the way back to Babylon or further. When the Roman Church strayed from the teachings of Christ, they tried to make themselves the moral authority. The Roman Church and many other denominations strayed, but modern Communism and Globalists are clear in their demands to submit to them over God and His word. It is no different from those who deny God and make themselves their own little gods to dictate their morals on an individual level. The “right” and “left” division might be a simplified way of looking at it. However, I have known left wing people who had no intention of imposing their moral standard on me, and I have known right wing people, who claim to believe in God, who have imposed their personal moral standard on me without deference to Christ. It all comes down to making human authority above divine authority.
I agree, I think ultimately it is about who is the moral authority. I think this traces back to the original deception about who had authority in the garden.
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