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Hentenza · Friday at 8:14 AM

Ophiolite said:
Perhaps that is the way you do it. I know of at least one person on the planet who does not do it that way. Perhaps there are others. Your absolute assumption it flawed.

Pehaps that answers why there is much comprehension issues out there.

DaisyDay · Friday at 8:13 AM

Valletta said:
They need to not cross the line for aiding and abetting.

Aiding and abetting...what and who?

Hentenza · Friday at 8:12 AM

Aaron112 said:
Yahweh can move it.

Yep since He created the earth including seismic activity and earth rotation to define a day.

Ophiolite · Friday at 8:10 AM

eclipsenow said:
At least Alligator Alcatraz has to go.

Federal judge orders closure of Trump’s ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ immigration jail

Judge’s order finds jail, which has attracted waves of criticism, was causing severe harm to Florida Everglades

www.theguardian.com

Building it was a snap decision.

Ophiolite · Friday at 8:09 AM

Josheb said:
What is the specific point of discussion in this op?

The exchange was sufficiently remote that I no longer recall. Regardless, it does not justify the discourteous and underhand manipulation of my words. Your apology would have been welcome, now - not so much.

The Barbarian · Friday at 8:09 AM

Postvieww said:
Since union chief of police has exposed the DC police for inaccurate crime reporting what makes your claim real or believable?

The final retreat from facts; "They are lying!! All of them are lying!!" It's extremely hard to hide homicides, since the recording is not under the control of the police. Even if police officers were covering up homicides, civilian authorities would still be involved and keep records.

And given the history of lies from the Trump administration, why should anyone believe them? After they first claimed the Epstein files were in their possession, and then declared the files never existed, no one with any sense believes anything they say without external confirmation.

Ophiolite · Friday at 8:07 AM

Gregory Thompson said:
Yes, since you are the one determining what reality is and will change your mind based on such and such factors. This is an example of subjective reality.

However, the reality that is objective stays the same regardless of what we think of it.

Incorrect, since I have not made any determination of what reality is and do not expect to do so. Reality can go about its business and I shall remain indifferent. People play immersive video games, well aware they are not real. My position is analogous, but not identical.

Reluctant Theologian · Friday at 7:57 AM

Aaron112 said:
No, never, and should not .....

When the Mighty All-Knowing King of the Jews, Messiah Yahshua, and His Father ABBA YAHWEH reveal the truth,
all human 'reason' / thinking fleshly and carnal/ is NOUGHT.

Mm, do you mean that any effort at Textual Criticism / reconstructing the most original text is by definition fleshly or carnal?

Secondly, do you maintain the KJV-only/best position?

ViaCrucis · Friday at 7:54 AM

Daniel Carlton said:
Just a couple of points:

1) This is not a complete list. I did not take the time to record them all.

2) Not a single early church father promoted idolatry or even hinted it was Christian practice.

''But the way of darkness is crooked, and full of cursing; for it is the way of eternal death with punishment, in which way are the things that destroy the soul, viz, idolatry, over-confidence the arrogance of power. . .''

The epistle of Barnabas, chapter 20.

100A.D.

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Of course idolatry is wrong. God says so many times in Holy Scripture, such as in the First Commandment where we are told to not worship any other gods or worship graven images.

Of course we should expect everyone in the ancient Church--and throughout the history of the Church--condemning idolatry. And we do.

The burden of proof that rests upon you is to demonstrate that the early fathers considered Icons to be idols. Not that the early fathers condemned idolatry; since your claim is that icons are idols and that the Ante-Nicene fathers condemned iconography as idolatry. Quoting a condemnation against idolatry is insufficient, because everyone in this thread agrees that idolatry is blatantly sinful and evil.

-CryptoLutheran

eclipsenow · Friday at 7:52 AM

At least Alligator Alcatraz has to go.

Federal judge orders closure of Trump’s ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ immigration jail

Judge’s order finds jail, which has attracted waves of criticism, was causing severe harm to Florida Everglades

www.theguardian.com

FredVB · Friday at 7:51 AM

There are still others who are descendants of people of the.kingdom of Israel who God knows, and would be brought back, too, while most are those descendants of people of the kingdom of Judah.

I think the book of James was written after the council in Jerusalem, in Acts 15.

RocksInMyHead · Friday at 7:50 AM

Always in His Presence said:
The same people who voted to have an independent commission that would control it?

The people of California voted to create the independent redistricting commission in 2008. So I imagine it will include some of the same people, but plenty of new ones as well. If they're happy with the current situation, then they'll vote "No." If they think change is needed, they'll vote "Yes." And, regardless of the outcome, if they think change is needed in the future and the governor or legislature don't put another measure on the ballot, citizen ballot initiatives are also a thing in California. Democracy in action!

Notably, Newsom's proposition has a built-in expiration date - control is slated to return to the redistricting commission after the 2030 census.

BCP1928 · Friday at 7:49 AM

Pommer said:
White-people “lost” when other people gained?

Are you sure that you wanna go with this, ~~chief~~ sir?

What I meant was that white people have stayed about were they were but others have caught up.

ViaCrucis · Friday at 7:48 AM

Daniel Carlton said:
Well you spoke of ignorance so I wondered how much of the early church you read. Your answer is very vague but it shows you have not really read the ancients.

No wonder you wanted to jump to the eighth century, you do not know the early church fathers.

I have almost completed the first three centuries, so when you catch up with me, we can have an informed conversation on that topic.

Instead of assuming I'm unfamiliar with the Ante-Nicene fathers, you could provide the patristic material you believe supports your Iconoclastic position and we could go from there. What in the Ante-Nicene Fathers do you consider to be supportive of Iconoclasm?

-CryptoLutheran

BCP1928 · Friday at 7:46 AM

JSRG said:
Speaker of the House is nowhere close to the power of the President in terms of policy.

The President, as presumptive head of his party can speak for the policies that the party would like to see enacted, but he can't originate laws. His duty is merely to see that they are carried out. The Speaker of the House controls the law-making process in the House, and controls the House's responsibility to oversee the President's actions and even to impeach him. If the President does something illegal or unconstitutional, the courts may rule against him but they have no actual power to stop him. Only the House, under the leadership of the Speaker has that power. It's quite a catbird seat.

Of course, things are different now that the Congress has abandoned its Constitutional responsibilities altogether.

stevevw · Friday at 7:45 AM

Gene2memE said:
Seems like he's attacking ideas that are of his own invention and/or deliberately misconstruing areas of active research. Or concepts that are a couple of decades out of date.

There's no consensus on the 'cognitive revolution'. Yes, some like to point to Central and Northern Europe about 40-50,000 years ago as some sort of societal inflection point and the emergence of behavioural modernity. Mostly because we found a bunch of cool rock art and statues at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, and a lot of good books were written about that.

However, there's been PLENTY of evidence that the process occurred earlier (some around 100,000 to 175,000 years ago, and yet others that push this back as far as 300,000 years) and not in Europe (mostly West or Southern Africa, some argue Northern Africa). We've known this since the end of the 1970s. Blombos cave was discovered in the early 2000s for pity's sake.

We've also been pushing back behavioural modernity in Europe by tens of thousands of years. The La Pasiega cave paintings were dated to 60-65,000 years old about a decade ago.

It also very much depends on what exact combination of markers you use to define behavioural modernity. The video author gives one or two (ochre painting and shell inscription, for instance) but ignores all markers that may or may not be present.

There's the whole 'Nubian Complex' of West African technological spread as well. That's a huge and ongoing field of study, which dates back about 100,000 years and change. I think the first discovering were made in early 1990s.

Also, the notion that human sedentism dates back only to the start of the neolithic/Anthropocene (roughly 12,000 years ago) hasn't been current since the early 1980s. Good evidence of sedentism stretches back 25,000 years, and possibly even a little further back (some suggestions of 33,000 years in PNG, for instance).

Things like permanent hearth stones, small stone walls/fence lines, irrigation dams, partitioned planting areas. There are literally thousands of papers out there on this.

He also seems to be only giving the upper date ranges for a lot of estimates. So, the finds in Blombos cave become '100,000 years' old, when a lot of the finds are from later excavations that have dates in the 60-70,000 year range. That's enough time for major genetic changes to take place (circa an extra 1200-1500 generations).

I think the point was that mainstream have humans becoming organised communities and not nomads is said to be around 5 to 6,000 years ago. But the evidence is pushing that back. In fact the idea of what was considered civilised is being pushed back. The idea that humans were dumb brutes before this is also being proven wrong.

Mainstream created this narrative to support the idea of gradualism in evolution. That humans evolved from dumb brute cavemen to more sophisticated living and thinking. That influenced how the evidence was seen.

So large megaliths and other works that were deemed too advanced for neolithic primitive nomads and was said to have somehow been created with primitive tools and knowhow. There could not have been sophisticated thinking and belief before at this stage in evolution.

Now it seems that there was more advanced humans who once ruled the earth and were destroyed and the megaliths and works they left were discovered and not created by later cultures who came along and found them.

But current mainstream narratives still wants to force fit these works into peoples who never created them. Even the cultures own stories tell us they discovered them. Still the mainstream view wants us to believe that this was all created in a very short time by primitive tools and knowhow of those who found thees abandoned works.

RocksInMyHead · Friday at 7:45 AM

HARK! said:
I find this to be relevant:

I don't.

HARK! said:
The government also pointed to a 2019 incident in which Mahdawi was stopped at the US border and “found to be carrying drugs,” the court filing charges.

Okay?

Neither of these things (if they're even true) has anything to do with the fact that he was summoned for his supposed "final citizenship interview" and instead arrested. I don't really care whether you think he should have been arrested or whether he deserved to be a citizen or even to be in the US - all of those are irrelevant to the point being made, which is that US immigration services are taking advantage of people who are following the laws and complying with our existing immigration system by summoning them for interviews or immigration court hearings and instead arresting them.

Ophiolite · Friday at 7:45 AM

Hentenza said:
The point is that anything that you read you start with reading each word literally and then interpret whether the sentence, paragraph, chapter, or book had a literal or non literal meaning.

Perhaps that is the way you do it. I know of at least one person on the planet who does not do it that way. Perhaps there are others. Your absolute assumption it flawed.

dlamberth said:
I take much of Genesis as mythology that has spiritual substance with in the stories. My question is this: Are myths considered "fiction"?

I come to my off repeated observation that all (probably) classification systems are artificial, created for convenience. They are often a simplification of complex characteristics inhabiting a convolute spectrum. Time spent arguing where one example fits within the system might be better spent improving the system, or ignoring it altogether.

Always in His Presence · Friday at 7:40 AM

Bradskii said:
We all know what Newsom is doing. Which is asking the people of California to vote on the motion. It's an example of what people call 'the democratic process'. Isn't it nice that we both support that process.

The same people who voted to have an independent commission that would control it?

Always in His Presence · Friday at 7:39 AM

Hans Blaster said:
I don't think compression is the issue when the font is several times larger than normal text on this site. The text looks like it could use some compression:

Newsom is proposing to temporarily override the commission and create districts more favorable to Democrats until after the 2030 Census. That requires going to the voters for their approval.

Thanks, I voted for you to be promoted to Captain of the Grammar Police Correction Division!

NewLifeInChristJesus · Friday at 7:36 AM

Soyeong said:
Works can be done for a variety reasons, such as if we love someone, we trust in someone, we want to impress someone, or we want to earn a wage from someone, so the Bible can speak against being required to do works for incorrect reasons without speaking against being required to do them for the reasons for which which God commanded them. We can do works that embody our faith in God, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith by his works or with all of the examples listed in Hebrews 11 of people having justifying faith being them doing works. The Bible repeatedly connect our faith in God with our works, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Romans 1:5, we have received graces in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law. In John 3:36, having faith in Jesus is equated with obeying him. In Psalms 119:30, he chose the way of faith by setting God's law before him. In Hebrews 3:18-19, it equates unbelief with disobedience. In Numbers 5:6, disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith. And so forth.

There are also many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is through faith and many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, which is again connecting the two.

So the significance of someone doing an act of charity for example is not that it is part of what they are required to have done first in order to earn their righteousness as the result, but rather the significance is that it is embodying their faith in God to guide them in how to rightly live and it is by that faith alone that they are declared righteous.

Those verses are saying that we are declared righteous apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but it is not denying that we are embody our faith through our works and be declared righteous through that faith. In Romans 3:31, Paul wanted to make sure that we did not misunderstand him as saying that being justified by faith apart from does means that we do not need to uphold God's law, but rather our faith it.

The fact that God saves us even though we have not had perfect obedience means that our salvation does not require us to have perfect obedience. Repentance does not change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so it we needed to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we do not need to have perfect obedience.

Forgiveness of sins is not earned as the result of our works, but rather it only comes through faith which is embodied by our works. In Titus 2:14, the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

It appears that forgiveness/salvation/righteousness through the works of the law is your core belief. Do you have any fear that your works may let you down in the end?

Gene2memE · Friday at 7:31 AM

Seems like he's attacking ideas that are of his own invention and/or deliberately misconstruing areas of active research. Or concepts that are a couple of decades out of date.

There's no consensus on the 'cognitive revolution'. Yes, some like to point to Central and Northern Europe about 40-50,000 years ago as some sort of societal inflection point and the emergence of behavioural modernity. Mostly because we found a bunch of cool rock art and statues at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, and a lot of good books were written about that.

However, there's been PLENTY of evidence that the process occurred earlier (some around 100,000 to 175,000 years ago, and yet others that push this back as far as 300,000 years) and not in Europe (mostly West or Southern Africa, some argue Northern Africa). We've known this since the end of the 1970s. Blombos cave was discovered in the early 2000s for pity's sake.

We've also been pushing back behavioural modernity in Europe by tens of thousands of years. The La Pasiega cave paintings were dated to 60-65,000 years old about a decade ago.

It also very much depends on what exact combination of markers you use to define behavioural modernity. The video author gives one or two (ochre painting and shell inscription, for instance) but ignores all markers that may or may not be present.

There's the whole 'Nubian Complex' of West African technological spread as well. That's a huge and ongoing field of study, which dates back about 100,000 years and change. I think the first discovering were made in early 1990s.

Also, the notion that human sedentism dates back only to the start of the neolithic/Anthropocene (roughly 12,000 years ago) hasn't been current since the early 1980s. Good evidence of sedentism stretches back 25,000 years, and possibly even a little further back (some suggestions of 33,000 years in PNG, for instance).

Things like permanent hearth stones, small stone walls/fence lines, irrigation dams, partitioned planting areas. There are literally thousands of papers out there on this.

He also seems to be only giving the upper date ranges for a lot of estimates. So, the finds in Blombos cave become '100,000 years' old, when a lot of the finds are from later excavations that have dates in the 60-70,000 year range. That's enough time for major genetic changes to take place (circa an extra 1200-1500 generations).

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hedrick · Friday at 7:26 AM

Fantine said:
It speaks so poorly of the character of Trump's voters to see how they admire outright criminality from their leader and role model.

I'm pretty sure his office uses auto pens to issue the pardons--Trump is so busy endorsing the checks from the donors who paid for them!

My theory is that we have a large number of people who feel left out of the system, and think the only way to deal with it is "Dirty Harry." Traditional things like restraint and separation of powers are simply not issues for them.

BCP1928 · Friday at 7:25 AM

durangodawood said:
Were they trying to test God?

No, for Evangelicals it's a memorial, a re-enactment if you like, not a Sacrament.

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